The bailout... So, the difference between the parties is what exactly?

[TooBigaTent]

While I do not believe they have totally flipped from long-held principles (the pukes are still the scum that rises to the top), the complicity of "my" party with the enemy is too much to stand. On such a basic issue as this, there is no difference. In fact, on this issue, they have combined a terrible strategy AND a terrible viewpoint to give us the shaft and the GOP the political high ground.

It has been difficult to watch the Dems get constantly outmaneuvered. They have been stupid, cowardly in not confronting the GOP, and arrogant in thinking that liberals had "no where else to go." Supporting the war, and the Patriot Act, and FISA, and every other repug wet dream that the White House sent down Pennsylvania Avenue including this bailout, which does NOTHING for most Americans, is the last straw.

As a result, the four votes from my household just fell out of the Democratic column.

I, for one, am not waiting until the NEXT primary to express my electoral disgust with the DLC congresswhore who supported this. Neither will I further support any Senator who voted for it (both from my state did).

To me, this is more important and more basic to what makes a Democrat than choice or any social issue. Those voting for this atrocity are making a statement on what they believe the basic organization and priorities of our nation are. That nation is not one which I support.

I recognize that this will probably mean a banning. While I will still visit to get leads on news stories, at this point, I see no further use in belonging to and participating in this supposedly progressive site. Too many here supported the financial elite, either by stupidly buying the bullshit peddled by the thugs and distributed by Reid, Pelosi, and yes, Obama or by willingly participating in this massive theft. Talking to/at/past folks here has become increasingly hard when so many take such rethuglican views. I guess that is the future of the party as promoted by "our" corporatist nominee. In reaching across the aisle to the right wing, he has succeeded in driving more liberals away.

The "big tent" has gotten too big by including the thugs and centrists and corporatists. As I worried about and others have feared, by pandering to the right and inviting them to our table, they have taken over the message and direction of the party.

Anyone know of any real liberal sites out there?

[mzmolly]

1. This for starters:

House approves extension of jobless benefits

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_go_co/jobless_benefits

[Hannah Bell]

5. whoop de doo. weimar had jobless benefits.

WHY ARE THERE "JOBLESS," lots of them, at regular intervals in the first place?

[mzmolly]

12. Trickle down economics?

Time for a change...

[jtrockville]

6. QUOTE: "But despite the strong 368-28 vote in the House..."

"the bill's chances of becoming law this year are slim."

Let's not pat ourselves on the back just yet, shall we?

btw - most republicans voted in favor of this too:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll683.xml

[mzmolly]

11. True unless we have a President who will sign it into law.

:hi:

[chill_wind]

13. But not the Senate, possibly dooming it for the year.

"But despite the strong 368-28 vote in the House, the bill's chances of becoming law this year are slim. On Thursday, Senate opponents rejected an effort to bring the legislation to the floor, possibly dooming it for the year. The Senate is in recess for the elections and it is unclear if it will reconvene after the Nov. 4 vote for a lameduck session."

so..

"Without congressional action, about 800,000 people would run out of benefits in October, with that number growing to 1.1 million by the end of the year, sponsors said."

[mzmolly]

16. Right, and a President Obama will not require a veto proof majority

in the Senate to sign it into law. I'm not so sure about McCain.

[Virginia Dare]

2. If you have to ask....

Buh-bye...:hi:

[gopbuster]

3. Your only choice is to join the "Liberty" movement nt

[tekisui]

4. Good luck having ANYONE advance a progressive/liberal

platform without a Democratic Majority. At least progressive voices and bills are heard within the Democratic Party.

That happens no where else in American politics. Take a step back and realize that.

[Hannah Bell]

7. 30 years of that song, & things just get worse & worse.

[tekisui]

14. What else are you going to do?

The way I see it, we have two political parties: The Progressives, and the Corporatists.

The repugs are ALL Corproatists, and half the Dems are, too. If you want a Progressive voice to be heard, you need first Dem majority. Then, as more Dems are added, the percentage of Progressives increases.

Join the Democratic Party and change it from within, it's the only chance.

What else are you going to do? Throwing in the towel won't accomplish anything.

[TooBigaTent]

18. Thanks, Hannah. I know not EVERYONE on this site is a DLCer. Just the majority.

After fighting the GOP for 40 years, I find that we are the enemy, every bit as much as the rethugs.

Those who say that the only hope is from within the Democratic Party are the saddest example of deluded fools.

At least the repugs are honest in their destruction of Amerika. The Vichy-dems lie and say they are on our side, then act in complete capitulation. Fuck them.

I am out of here.

[JohnnyBoots]

8. It isn't Left versus Right anymore. It is Rich versus Poor and Corporate power versus the rest of

us. That is why progressive Dems and Conservative Repubs came to together to oppose the bailout. and Corporate DLC Dems and Bush repubs came together pass it. The game is much bigger than rednecks vs. latte liberals.

[chimpymustgo]

15. Ding ding ding!!!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. The length of the shaft applied to the electorate.

"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine

[TexasObserver]

10. Democrats backed it because they believed in it. GOP voted because they got lard.

[gopbuster]

17. "they’ve got us all by the nuts and nipples"

http://www.worldnewstrust.com/wnt-reports/commentary/the-bail-out-in-plain-english-joe-bageant.html

Why not hang around and help us get a better electorate in place? See if it can be worked out through
more liberal bottom up economics over the longer term?