Is it true that US troops will be coming home en masse from Iraq soon?

[endthewar]

I heard someone say that Bush is planning on declaring martial law at any moment now. Obviously even "The Decider" realizes he needs troops in order to impose military rule. So does this mean that our soldiers and national guard members will finally be coming home from Iraq now? Is that why Bush has been talking about "time horizons" with the Iraqi government?

[Trajan]

1. Someone said it ?

Wow .... now there is something ....

If someone said it .....

Oh ... nevermind .....

Go back to your source and tell them you expect more evidence before you accept their thesis ....

[endthewar]

2. Only about 2/3s of DU is harping about martial law

But please stay in the dark. :hi:

[Trajan]

3. Hey .. it could happen ....

Tell you what: Let's pin down a date ...

We would hate this 'End Of The World' scenario to be an endless threat, like a dark cloud that never dissipates ....

You can set the date: What day is the absolute latest that can pass by, when, if this event has NOT occurred by then, that you will admit you and your sources were wrong, and promise to NEVER accept baseless claims without foundation EVER again ....

Some darkness is self imposed ....

And I would ask you to support the claim that 2/3rds of DU believe Martial Law is imminent .... that is simply not true .... It is always 'possible', but that is always true .... it is NOT imminent ....

[endthewar]

4. Too many idiots on these boards don't understand what martial law is

Not you personally of course :hi: , but you should check out some of the ignorance going on in some of the other threads. People don't understand what it means for Congress when they talk about martial law w.r.t. passing legislation. I tried to cure them of their ignorance but was only met with more ignorance. Too many Chicken Littles on DU right now.

[Name removed]

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[endthewar]

6. Here's a link to the actual declaration of martial law

http://www.stumbleupon.com/toolbar/#topic=Law&url=http%253A%252F%252Frules-republicans.house.gov%252FShortTopics%252FRead.aspx%253Fid%253D220

No need to apologize. We all fall flat on our face sometimes when running around in our paranoia. :rofl:

Note: It uses big words and legislative concepts. Let me know if you need any help comprehending it. :rofl:

[Ghost in the Machine]

9. Does your ignorance know any boundries at all?

Here's some big words for you, skippy...

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20

Subject: National Continuity Policy

Purpose

(1) This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.

Definitions

(2) In this directive:

(a) "Category" refers to the categories of executive departments and agencies listed in Annex A to this directive;

(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;

(c) "Continuity of Government," or "COG," means a coordinated effort within the Federal Government's executive branch to ensure that National Essential Functions continue to be performed during a Catastrophic Emergency;

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

Do you honestly think that Bush/Cheney give a flying FUCK about laws in this country? Like I said before, read up and get current so you don't look so fucking stupid. It's ok that you fell on your face, just be man enough to admit you were wrong and move forward from there...

BTW, if you're really as ignorant as your posts make you out to be, you couldn't help *anyone* comprehend a goddamned thing.... I've got a very low tolerance for stupid people, so I'm done with you... :hi:

[endthewar]

10. Is that what he was referring to in the video? Or was he referring to the vote in my link?

PWNED! :rofl:

[jrockford]

13. That's not the type of martial law being referenced. Sure people and even other members of Congress

may of been just as confused as you...but they are still incorrect.

[endthewar]

14. Thank you!

I thought I was in bizarro world here for a while. Though I guess you have an unfair advantage as a "law student". :rofl:

[Ghost in the Machine]

20. Do you comprehend the difference between 'Martial Law in *America*'

.. and 'Martial Law in *Congress*'??

But of course everyone, including the guy who said it, is wrong and you're right...

[endthewar]

27. You and martial law are like McCain and withdrawal from Iraq

Must be getting lonely on that little mental island you're on. :rofl:

[Hannah Bell]

23. watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

[Hannah Bell]

38. The congressperson said some colleagues were told if they didn't

vote for the bailout by monday, there'd be "martial law in america".

but look, he goes on to say, here we are, no martial law, no blood in the streets, no financial meltdown, so obviously, the armtwisters were lying, there's no need to rush to pass a bailout.


The link you reference is a rules vote (4 to 9) on a declaration of congressional martial law that ENDS on MONDAY, not begins on Monday if there's no bailout.

You're confusing two things, either stupidly or deliberately, to confuse the main point, which is:

SOMEONE was twisting Congresspeople's arms in a despicable way to get the bailout passed.

[endthewar]

7. Also, Congress is in America

:rofl:

[endthewar]

8. Here, have a cookie:

It'll help you feel better after getting OWNED like Palin was tonight. :rofl:

[johnaries]

11. you can't be serious.

Martial Law? do you even know what....

Oh, obviously you don't. never mind.

:tinfoilhat:

Oh, and you've even got a "video". How nice. How (cough, cough) "persuasive".

:tinfoilhat:

[Ghost in the Machine]

12. Could you try posting something intelligent?

Please?



Thanks,...

[endthewar]

15. You've been proven wrong!

You in this thread is like Palin at Washington University. :rofl:

[Ghost in the Machine]

22. I have? Please provide a link to Rep. Sherman stating that he was talking about

*Congress* being under Martial Law, not *America* as he first stated..

Thanks...

[endthewar]

26. Post #10 has a link to the Congressional vote

Would you like it notarized too? :crazy:

[Ghost in the Machine]

29. Post #10 *doesn't* have a link to Rep. Sherman saying he was talking about

*Congressional* Martial Law, does it?

Can't you fucking read? I said give me a link to Rep. Sherman saying that. However, given your proven lack of reading and comprehension skills, I'll overlook your very stupid reply...

Just how fucking dense are you??

[endthewar]

30. Good old TN education

Damn you Bush for not funding No Child Left Behind!!! :rofl:

[Ghost in the Machine]

33. Are you so fucking stupid that you think that where someone lives *now*

is where they lived all their life? Damn you're stupid, boy... I guess you wouldn't know though, since you've never moved out of your mom's basement...

You seem to get some kind of joy out of displaying your ignorance for everyone here to see...

Now where's that link I asked for?

[endthewar]

34. Here's the link:

:rofl:

[Ghost in the Machine]

36. Just what I thought... you have nothing

You're just another loudmouthed imbecile who thinks he knows it all when he really doesn't know shit from shinola...

At least you didn't deny that you've never moved out of your mom's basement..

[Hannah Bell]

35. It's a rules committee vote: 4 to 9. That's not what the congressperson was

talking about.

[endthewar]

37. Umm...continue reading

[Hannah Bell]

41. i did. "THROUGH MONDAY"

The Congressperson says they were told if they didn't vote right BY MONDAY, there'd be "martial law in america".

[endthewar]

42. See post #40

Look, I hate to belabor the point, but I think that my link is pretty self-explanatory. It tells you EXACTLY what the martial law vote was for. That website also has other links. They had another vote to have a continuation of martial law.

[endthewar]

16. Before you laugh

there are actually some very long threads complaining about the martial law that we're under. Feel free to read them, but I must warn you that you'll walk out dumber than you walked in. :rofl:

[onenote]

45. 2/3rds of DU is "harping about martial law"? Who taught you math? Palin?

Silly OPs deserve scorn. You've got yours.

[Hannah Bell]

21. watch the video of the congressperson & decide for yourself what he meant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

[endthewar]

28. Please see post #10.

It's a link containing the language on the martial law vote. It's a procedural vote in Congress.

[Hannah Bell]

31. he was referring to the bailout bill. some congresspeople, he claims, were told that if they

didn't pass the bill by monday, "there'd be martial law in america".

i don't know what you think you're doing, but anyone who watches the video can tell you're wrong, it has nothing to do with congressional martial law, & everything to do with *someone* twisting arms during the bailout vote. That is how the congressperson interpreted it.

Look at the vote count on your link: 4 to 9. It's a rules committee vote.

[endthewar]

32. Congressional martial law is a way to strong arm people who want to vote no on a bill.

[Hannah Bell]

39. except the congressperson said he was told if they didn't vote right by monday, THERE'D BE martial

law IN AMERICA, & your declaration of congressional martial law ENDED on Monday.

[endthewar]

40. They obviously filed another martial law vote

Isn't that obvious? Please wait while I spend 1 minute using The Google to find another link. :eyes:

http://www.stumbleupon.com/toolbar/#topic=Law&url=http%253A%252F%252Frules-republicans.house.gov%252FShortTopics%252FRead.aspx%253Fid%253D220

LOL, it was on the same website too. Easy to find. It's extended through October 3rd.

[Hannah Bell]

43. Quote: "The only way they can pass this bill is by creating & sustaining a panic atmosphere.

That atmosphere is not justified. Many of us were told in private conversations that if we VOTED AGAINST this bill - on Monday - that - the sky would fall, the market would drop 2 or 3 thousand points the first day, another couple thousand the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be MARTIAL LAW IN AMERICA IF WE VOTED NO. That's what I call fear-mongering. Unjustified, proven wrong. We've got a week, we've got two weeks, to write a good bill. The only way to write - to pass - a bad bill - keep the panic pressure on."


His remarks have nothing to do with Congressional martial law, but for some reason, you're very intent on convincing people they did.

[endthewar]

44. Zero points...may God have mercy on your soul.

:rofl:

Do you know what movie that comes from?

[Hannah Bell]

47. you're trying to hide the fact that someone was strongarming congress to pass the bill.

done with you. no one is as persistently stupid as you.

[endthewar]

49. See post #32

Apology accepted. :rofl:

[onenote]

46. "martial law' is the name given to a procedure used in the House from time to time

It is not the same as, or even remotely related to, the concept of declaring martial law in the United States. Let me pose a question: when Congress talked about using the "nuclear option" to stop filibusters, did you think they were going to detonate a hydrogen bomb in the Capitol?

http://www.cbpp.org/7-28-06bud-stmt.htm

[Hannah Bell]

48. that boy doesn't hear you because he has a different agenda.

[endthewar]

51. Thanks :-)

:rofl:

[endthewar]

50. Yes the two are different.

In other news: The sky is blue. Pray tell, how will the government enforce martial law on citizens? Will the troops in Iraq phone in the enforcement of martial law? :crazy: Looking forward to this answer. :rofl:

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. You're just plain rude and apparently you enjoy being so.

:eyes: And not just in this thread, in almost every thread you participate in. Why is that? Feeling superior, are we? :silly:

[endthewar]

53. Thanks

Ummm...might want to change your avatar. He was a complete fake and got exposed for it.

[GA_ArmyVet]

17. The short An.swer NO IT's NOT TRUE.

That Martial Law plan is a policy on the the Continueing Governmernt functions in the event of emergency. It lays out who is in charge. Who is evacuated. Who goes where ( That part is classified )and What role the military has to during a domestic terroist attack..Good God man...do you believe everything "some people have been told" about? If so , good I have been told my house is worth $250,000, but I sure cant sell it for that, maybe you would like a shot at it.

[Hannah Bell]

24. watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

[endthewar]

25. It was a tongue-in-cheek response to the martial law madness a couple hours ago

Obviously if you're just joining in and haven't partaken in that utter madness in paranoia, you might not realize this. :hi:

[madrchsod]

18. no.....close to 4000 ng from wisconsin or illinois left for iraq

[OakCliffDem]

19. Bush would want the Army out of the country so he could use Blackwater to control the population

:crazy: