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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:13 AM
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"MY HOLIDAY WITH JOHN McCAIN "
A professor had this experience in the past with John McCain, her name is on the bottom.

MY HOLIDAY WITH JOHN McCAIN

It was just before John McCain's last run at the presidential
nomination in 2000 that my husband and I vacationed in Turtle Island
in Fiji with John McCain, Cindy, and their children, including Bridget (their adopted Bangladeshi child).


It was not our intention, but it was our misfortune to be in close
quarters with John McCain for almost a week, since Turtle Island has a small number of bungalows and their focus on communal meals force all vacationers who are there at the same time to get to know each other intimately. He arrived at our first group meal and started reading quotes from a pile of William Faulkner books with a forest of Post-Its sticking out of them. As an English Literature major myself, my first thought was 'if he likes this so much, why hasn't he memorized any of this yet?' I soon realized that McCain actually thought we had come on vacation to be a volunteer audience for his 'readings' which then became a regular part of each meal.
Out of politeness, none of the vacationers initially protested at this intrusion into their blissful holiday, but people's buttons definitely got pushed as the readings continued day after day.

Unfortunately this was not his only contribution to our mealtime
entertainment. He waxed on during one meal about how Indo-Chine women
had the best figures and that our American corn-fed women just
couldn't meet up to this standard. He also made it a point that all of us should stop Cindy from having dessert as her weight was too high and made a few comments to Amy, the 25 year old wife of the
honeymooning couple from Nebraska that she should eat less as she
"needed to lose weight..."

McCain's appreciation of the beauty of Asian women was so great that
David the American economist had to move his Thai wife to the other side of the table from McCain as McCain kept aggressively flirting
with and touching her.

Needless to say I was irritated at his large ego and his rude
behavior towards his wife and other women, but decided he must have
some redeeming qualities as he had adopted a handicapped child from
Bangladesh. I asked him about this one day, and his response was
shocking: 'Oh, that was Cindy's idea - I didn't have anything to do
with it. She just went and adopted this thing without even asking me.
You can't imagine how people stare when I wheel this ugly, black thing around in a shopping cart in Arizona . No, it wasn't my idea at all.'

I actively avoided McCain after that, but unfortunately one day he
engaged me in a political discussion which soon got us on the topic of the active US bombing of Iraq at that time. I was shocked when he
said, 'If I was in charge, I would nuke Iraq to teach them a lesson'.
Given McCain's personal experience with the horrors of war, I had
expected a more balanced point of view. I commented on the tragic
consequences of the nuclear attacks on Japan during WWII -- but no, he was not to be dissuaded. He went on to say that if it was up to him he would have dropped many more nuclear bombs on Japan. I rapidly
extricated myself from this conversation as I could tell that his
experience being tortured as a POW didn't seem to have mellowed out
his perspective, but rather had made him more aggressive and vengeful
towards the world..."

My final encounter with McCain was on the morning that he was
leaving Turtle Island. Amy and I were happily eating pancakes when
McCain arrived and told Amy that she shouldn't be having pancakes
because she needed to lose weight. Amy burst into tears at this
abusive comment. I felt fiercely protective of Amy and immediately
turned to McCain and told him to leave her alone. He became very angry and abusive towards me, and said, 'Don't you know who I am.' I looked him in the face and said, 'Yes, you are the biggest asshole I have ever met' and headed back to my cabin. I am happy to say that later that day when I arrived at lunch I was given a standing ovation by all the guests for having stood up to McCain's bullying.


Although I have shared my McCain story informally with friends,
this is the first time I am making this public. I almost did so in
2000, when McCain first announced his bid for the Republican
nomination, but it soon became apparent that George Bush was the
shoo-in candidate and so I did not act then. However, now that there
is a very real possibility that McCain could be elected as our next
president, I feel it is my duty as an American citizen to share this
story. I can't imagine a more scary outcome for America than that this abusive, aggressive man should lead our nation. I have observed him in intimate surroundings as he really is, not how the media portrays him to be. If his attitudes toward women and his treatment of his own family are even a small indicator of his real personality, then I shudder to think what will happen to America were he to be elected as our President. --


Mary-Kay Gamel
Professor of Classics, Comparative Literature, and Theater Arts Cowell College
University of California, Santa Cruz
Santa Cruz, California 95064
831-459-2381 (office); 831-429-8803 (home) mkgamel@ucsc.edu

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:20 AM
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1. not this again. it's been posted at least a dozen times and NOT confirmed
in any way. it reeks of bullshit. As some DU wag pointed out, can you really see John McCain in the grocery store pushing his kid in a cart? In addition, there is no psychologist by that name registered in CA. This stupid piece of crap does not have the ring of truth.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:23 AM
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2. If you were a little less caustic you'd be taken more seriously...
just sayin'...


go play with yourself.. or something... you'll feel better and won't be as crabby...

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:28 AM
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5. oooh, you speak for all DUers. How nice for you. My first response
wasn't terribly caustic, and even if it were, the points I made, still stand.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:50 AM
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10. Yes it was caustic and NO, your points DO NOT "still stand"...
One point, the author's name and whether she is listed in California, has been blown to hell, hasn't it?

For your next *point*, please point out where it's been posted here "at least a dozen times"... I did a search of GD for the past 2 months and havent seen it...

:hi:

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:55 AM
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14. Oh just wait. plenty of folks will confirm that this has been posted
numerous times. And sorry, dear, this has NOT been confirmed, least of all by the purported author. And yeah, it reeks of bullshit. I'm hardly the only one saying that.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:02 AM
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18. No cali.. *you* claimed it, *you* back up your claim...
That's how it works here...

Now where are those links to the dozen posts??

Thanks,

Ghost

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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:27 AM
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4. There very definitely *is a faculty member at UCSC by that name
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:29 AM
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6. thanks. In any case, this email has not been confirmed by the purported author
or anyone else.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:51 AM
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11. Thanks...
:hi:

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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:54 AM
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13. This version isn't signed by a psychologist..
unlike the first one I saw. It's signed by a classics professor! It's mutating.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:25 AM
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3. I'm very leary of this
Mary-Kay *is a real professor at UCSC, but she included her home and office phone numbers??

Either she's not very bright, had no idea this would be published, or more likely this is written by somebody who wants Mary-Kay to get flooded with death threats etc etc
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:53 AM
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12. That's understandable..
Maybe she just gave her numbers so people could verify?? :shrug:

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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:29 AM
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7. I wonder what the hell Cindy sees in him.
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 06:31 AM by AndyA
He used to be a somewhat attractive man, but he isn't now.

He's rude, crude, self centered, has a bad temper, an aggressive personality...

And she's filthy rich. She should dump his sorry ass. And who is McSame to tell someone else they need to lose weight? He isn't exactly svelte. What a piece of crap this man is.

Edit to add: I do know people who personally know McSame, one of them going all the way back to his Vietnam days. This description of him fits their description of him pretty well.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:55 AM
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15. I don't get it either...
I said that in a thread where someone was speculating that he abuses her physically. She's got the money & means to get out... why would she stay?

:hi:

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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:33 AM
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8. Sounds like Bullshit
IMO it is.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:57 AM
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16. Ok, you're entitled to your opinion...
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:48 AM
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9. I'm surprised Snopes hasn't vetted this.
There is some discussion on their message board, but no investigation. How hard would it be to call the professor and confirm the story?

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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 06:59 AM
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17. I read that thread at Snopes.. Truth or Fiction hasn't proven or disproven yet either
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:07 AM
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21. Ah, I didn't see that.
Still, since this is all over the web, you'd think the author (if it is legit) would confirm (or deny) if asked.

Privacy can't be an issue, that's long gone and the statement, "I feel it is my duty as an American citizen to share this story." would seem to suggest the author would want to be even more public about it.

I'm reserving judgment, but it doesn't have the feel of being legitimate.

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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:02 AM
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19. Follow it on Snopes
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 07:07 AM by Pigwidgeon
Main article: http://snopes.com/politics/mccain/vacation.asp

Reader dialog: http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?p=756253

As much as I abhor McCain's politics, this kind of "too-good-to-be-true" story has enough of the marks of malicious gossip to set the alarm bells off. In the dialog on Snopes, you'll see that someone has already written to Dr. Gamel, who admits to forwarding it, but not writing it.

I'm tentatively putting this in the same category with the "Obama is a Muslim" letters. If it turns out to be corroborated, it will make it all the more astounding.

--p!

On edit: A little late with the "submit" button ... glad to see this is being checked out instead of just believed. We ought to leave the gossipteering to the experts -- the Freepers!
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:04 AM
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20. We were bombing Iraq in 2000?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:18 AM
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22. Clinton did indeed bomb in the no fly zone.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:20 AM
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23. Yes, we were....
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 07:20 AM
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24. The letter says this happened **before** his 2000 run...
which McCain **announced** his candidacy for president on September 27, 1999 in Nashua, New Hampshire,.....

And yes... Bill Clinton was bombing Iraq, too...

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