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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:06 AM
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Steaming
Even though I knew that the Republicans would blame the mortgage crisis on its victims, I am steaming.

Even though I knew that they would try to divide the working class along racial lines, so that we would not notice that the richest 2% of Americans have screwed us all without regard to faith, creed or color, I am hopping mad.

People who have no home, no job, no hope for a better tomorrow can not defend themselves when the rich and powerful level the vicious attacks that people like Congresswoman Michelle Bachman have made. You are good enough to clean our floors, but we don’t want you in our neighborhoods. We only offered you a mortgage, because Clinton made us. But the joke was on you. We made sure that it was a mortgage that you could never pay

Mortgage brokers seek to excuse themselves using the rapist’s defense. Adjustable rate mortgages were legal, and I had the minorities over a barrel since no one else would lend to them. I would have been a fool not to do what was best for my company So what if we eventually had to foreclose. It was a sellers market back then.

The Republicans who are desperate to see John McCain elected president would roast babies on a spit if they thought it would help them win the state of Ohio, so you know that they did not even hesitate before they launched their campaign to make America Blame the Blacks. “Well, you see, them coloreds, they decided they was tired of spittin’ watermelon seeds from a rental porch, so they figured they’d get they own porch. They can’t read too good, though. No matter. They moved in with they kids and they grankids an’ then junior busted up a joint and they needed the mortgage money for bail so they lost the house. Thas how it go. No account. Bringin’ the neighborhood down….Me? No, actually, I was born in San Diego and I went to school in Phoenix. They told me to talk like this at John McCain headquarters----“

All of this is divide and conquer politics as usual in the not so United States of America, and it has me angry. But what has me really steaming is what happened to get us into this mess. It is a nasty tale, straight out of Faulkner, one of those Snopes stories of unbridled greed.

During the Clinton administration, a teeny tiny bit of progress was made undoing some of the terrible damage that Reagan-Bush did to the middle class. Working Americans began to see a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel. And for the first time, some of that prosperity extended to Blacks and Latinos. The American Dream became the all inclusive thing it was always meant to be.

The economy prospered, the way it does when middle America has confidence and money to spend and good health so that it can work productively. There was still profound wealth disparity, but we had taken a turn for the better, despite the worst efforts of Newt Gingrich and his reactionary Congress.

But then a conspiracy of Very Rich People stole the presidential election in 2000, and the executive branch allowed American business to do whatever it wanted for seven years. America returned to the days of monopolies and Robber Barons. In particular, the Bush administration protected the banking and mortgage industry from all interference, even from state regulators and state attorney generals who tried to protect investors and home buyers. Bush aided the mortgage industry by perverting a Civil War law so that he could claim that only the feds could regulate banks. And then he ordered his people to stop all regulation----including their duty to keep track of discriminatory lending practices.

When lenders were free of all regulations, they began to follow their own dark impulses. Greed took over. And prejudice. They knew that if they ripped off too many white folks, the members of the president’s own party, the Republicans would rise up in arms. However, Blacks and Latinos were mostly Democrats and mostly ignored by the mainstream media. So, when they came asking for a home loan, even if they qualified for a low rate, fixed interest conventional loan, they were offered only an adjustable rate mortgage, one that they would never be able to pay off. That way the banks could collect “rent”---and eventually either charge a hefty refinancing fee or repossess the home and collect another fee when they sold it again at a higher price. Back then housing markets were on a steady rise.

Borrowers who asked questions about these loans would be reassured. Refinancing will be a cakewalk. No more difficult than getting this loan. Everybody is doing this now. This was fraud, but who was going to call them on it? The Bush administration that had enabled the scam in the first place?

If someone can tell me how this is different from the old practice of "redlining" which forced minorities to waste their money on rent with nothing to show for it, please let me know. As far as I can tell, all this new system accomplished is it destroyed people's credit history and cost them more as they tried desperately to keep up with ballooning payments.

As far back as 2003, state attorney generals were onto this mortgage industry racket---which means that the Bush administration knew what was going on, too. Why did the Bush SEC and DOJ look the other way with so many people trapped into contracts with escalating payments? Surely they could see that this was the same market strategy as the drug pusher, who sells cheap until you are addicted. Hmmm. You know, if you think about it, the predatory lending racket was exactly the same as Bush Sr.’s “War on Drugs” aka "Contra-Cocaine". Both were criminal conspiracies between government and business against America’s minorities, designed to steal their savings, enrich a few whites and make Blacks and Latinos out to be “dangerous” to the country. And in both cases, Republicans have sought to score political points by portraying the victims as irresponsible, selfish, un-American---and Black, even though whites used drugs and whites have been victims of the mortgage crisis, too.

Well, what about the drug lords/predatory lenders? What about their greed, their selfishness, their irresponsibility? Who bears the moral responsibility? The man who wanted to provide a home for his family or the man who wanted to steal the bread from the mouths of that man’s family?Wanting to provide for your family is an American value. Wanting to keep your neighbor from providing for his family is about as un-American as you can get.

And that is why I am steaming.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:45 AM
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1. "Clinton made us" do it???
You mean the Repuke-controlled House, and the Repuke-controlled Senate of the last Clinton years???

He made them, the ones who could kill anything, he made the controlling majority do his bidding, by signing the legislation that they put through?
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:14 AM
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2. Oh yeahhh, the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 robbed 'us' all
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 09:25 AM by mojowork_n
...what a nasty, disgusting, evil and completely abhorent line of crap.

Only I heard it on local AM Hate Radio, yesterday, repeated 3 or 4 times. That peculiarly porcine congressman from Wisconsin's 5th district, James Sensenbrenner, made sure to mention it on a morning call-in show, and his colleague from Wisconsin's 1st district, Paul Ryan, emphasized it again, in the afternoon Daily Hate Minutes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Minutes_Hate

Tim Wise had the same reaction you did, yesterday on Counterpunch:

If hypocrisy were currency, conservatives would be able to single-handedly bail out the nation's free-falling financial system in less than a week, without the rest of us having to front so much as a penny.

So on the one hand, folks like this always tell others--especially the poor and people of color--to take "personal responsibility" for their lives, and not to blame outside factors (like racism, or the economic system) for their problems. But on the other hand, these same persons then demonstrate that their own ability to blame others for their personal setbacks, or the nation's problems, knows no rival...

First, we have Neil Cavuto of Fox News, followed by Rush Limbaugh a few days later, along with smaller-market talk radio hosts and commentators, insisting that the nation's current financial mess is not the fault of greedy investors, free-wheeling bankers, speculators and other assorted rich people taking advantage of a largely deregulated market for bogus investments. Rather, it is the fault of poor people and those who seek to serve their communities, and especially folks of color, and those who insist on such things as civil rights.

How so? Simple: according to these blowhards, laws like the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act, which seeks to steer investments to economically marginalized communities so as to stimulate economic development and reverse the longstanding process of racial and economic redlining, is the real culprit...

...the Community Reinvestment Act only applies to banks and thrifts that are federally-insured. This means that the independent mortgage brokers, who are responsible for half of all the nation's sub-prime lending--and who have been writing such loans at more than twice the rate of banks and thrifts--aren't even covered by the law. And make no mistake, it was the hand of the mortgage broker, more than any other, that precipitated the housing bubble. These are folks who were writing "stated income" loans (which means you don't have to prove your income, you can just tell them a number and get the OK), not caring about whether the borrower might default, since they were going to turn around and dump the loan at a profit, onto the secondary market, by pawning it off to investors who were gobbling up debt, betting on the further expansion of home values....

...On neither end of this equation were poor people to blame. The persons getting stated income loans were overwhelmingly middle class, perhaps hoping to keep up with the richer folks down the block, but certainly not the poor. Most poor folks are still renters, or just hoping to get a modest home. And let it suffice to say that none of the vultures snapping up the mortgage debt on the secondary market were poor, and very few were persons of color. These were affluent white people, willing to gamble on the potential misfortune of others. Secondly, the idea that loans to the poor or to moderate income folks could create this mess is almost inherently absurd. Fact is, the risk involved with loans to such persons is quite low. The amount of money lost, even when a low income family does default, is quite minimal...


...I'm trying to figure out how to make a sufficiently outraged act of protest, in reaction to this airborne, virulent threat to the mental health of my community.

Simply mailing in a letter of protest -- even having it first-class/overnight -- isn't going to end with any of those ass wads losing their jobs, or having to come up with any sort of apology.

Oops, Edit:

forgot to paste the link to CP.org:

http://www.counterpunch.org/wise09292008.html

...Double Oops, 2nd Edit:

Didn't mean to overlook the excellent comparison:

"...Surely they could see that this was the same market strategy as the drug pusher, who sells cheap until you are addicted. Hmmm. You know, if you think about it, the predatory lending racket was exactly the same as Bush Sr.’s “War on Drugs” aka "Contra-Cocaine". Both were criminal conspiracies between government and business against America’s minorities, designed to steal their savings, enrich a few whites and make Blacks and Latinos out to be “dangerous” to the country....

The conspiracy is much wider and deeper than most people realize.

Former H.W. Bush HUD undersecretary Catherine Austin Fitts, a partner at the investment firm Dillon Reed, has summarized it in a series of posts at Scoop:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0202/S00054.htm

Her blog is here:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/features/RealDeal.html

The commentaries on the Housing Bill of 2008 and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits are especially noteworthy.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 10:11 AM
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Please post as a separate thread.....excellent...thanks. nt
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 10:11 AM
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3. Thanks for the links. Glad to see others are onto this scam.
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BluePatriot21 Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:39 AM
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5. the blame game, what's the counter punch?
the blame game, it ticks me off too.
I've seen the right blame everyone but themselves, I read somewhere this is how they try to pin their weakness or your problem on the left. This has to be stopped.
My wife got an email from one of the mothers in town to you tube
http://www.youtube.com/TheMouthPeace
this ass only makes you tube anti obama videos and thinks he's some hollywood director
my wife says look at this and it's 11 minutes of bullsh*t and so many links, and rock music to soothe the ignorant beast.
it's awful and doesn't once address any one else but how Obama caused it.
ACORN
CRA
Fannie and Freddy
these aren't the only reasons this economy are failing. But what the hell?

I forwarded the email to www.fightthesmears.com and then replied to her email and let them see the link and told them they could all visit his sight to seek the truth.

all the dolts would say as they forwarded it along was that this was scary, and if Obama gets in we are sunk! Scary! LOL If Obama would be scary then what the hell is bush?

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:45 AM
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6. Welcome to DU...
and thanks for the link... so I can go rate him down.

Ugh, the stupidity.

Fannie and Freddie have strict guidelines about documentation of income and minimum down payments. It was the *fully private* sector... banks like Countrywide... that worked hard to extend credit to people with little documentation and little if any down payment.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:49 AM
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7. Have you commented on the links posted below?
These youtube videos full of lies are getting thirty-thousand hits per day.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 12:27 PM
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10. There's a vid on YOUTUBE pushing this meme!
It has morphed a couple of times because the music copyright holders objected to it.

The right wing strategery seems to have morphed into one of flinging more poo than can be debunked in one sitting.

-Hoot
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:28 AM
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4. I Feel Ya - This is the Topic of My Latest Video
Republicans Blame Clinton, N*ggers for Wall Street Failures

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAvhWKp0N4M
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:54 AM
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8. It's the same thing backwards - called reverse redlining. Baltimore sued
Wells Fargo for it. WF will lose too. Other cities have since followed Baltimore's lead. These suits are rock-solid, documented.

So yes, exactly what you said has happened. Eventually, it will be proven. When that happens, I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of these banks go under.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 12:18 PM
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9. you make good points
My sister was a mortgage underwriter for more than 20 years. She was around back when you actually had to *qualify* for a mortgage, with good credit and a respectable down payment.

She went to work five years ago for one of the biggest mortgage companies that crashed earlier this year, sending thousands of employees to the unemployment line. Last night I brought up to her this 'blame the minorities' talking point and she exploded.

One of her main territories was the Chicago metro. She'd see lots of brokers forward paperwork for newly-arrived eastern European immigrants where the stated income - they didn't actually have to prove income, just state it - was way out of whack with what their jobs would reasonably pay. And these stated income products always included a huge readjustment, sometimes spiking the mortgage payment 100%. She always questioned these applications and was always told to underwrite them, even though she doubted that the home buyer had the English skills to understand what product they were signing for. I'll add that she believed it was the brokers who were inflating the income - NOT the consumer - because on occasion they'd make the mistake of forwarding original paycheck stubs and the original loan papers, which were substituted for a stated income product with highly inflated salary information. She loved those because it gave her a reason to decline to underwrite the loan.

Repeat - it wasn't always the 'greedy customer who wanted something more than they could afford' who committed fraud - it was the broker.

So, I said to her - if maybe one in ten brokers were doing a bait-and-switch with non-English speaking people, then wow, that's still a lot of bad paper being written. To which she replied, "The good brokers wouldn't work with us. Almost ALL of our brokers were scum". And this company processed millions of loans from 'scum' brokers.

She also said that a lot of people who could afford a conventional mortgage, who had decent credit, were hoodwinked into taking products that reset and pushed into purchasing more expensive homes, since the broker made a larger commission.

She doesn't blame minorities AT ALL for this - she blames the dishonest brokers who screwed just about anyone, of any race or economic status, that they could.

The entire time she worked there she talked about how shady some of this stuff she was told to underwrite was. She hated that job because she knew how things *should* be - and weren't.

I wish people here would stop bitching about the people who took out these loans. There was a real free-for-all going on out there and it wasn't entirely on the part of the consumer.
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D-Lee Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 01:33 PM
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11. Redlining at least didn't take the assets of the poor ...
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 01:34 PM by D-Lee
As to the question of how the problems of current mortgages were "different from the old practice of 'redlining' which forced minorities to waste their money on rent with nothing to show for it, please let me know."

Two points. First, the persons who did get mortgages in "redlined" areas were not set up for losing whatever they invested in housing -- they were judged under traditional mortgage standards.

Second, banks used to grant "redline" mortgages out of their public relation budgets to get away from bad publicity ... because there was a sense of shame.

Mortgages did flow to at least some extent, once public officials exposed the "redlining" issue ...

Starts to look like the good old days, doesn't it?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 01:38 PM
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12. Danny Schechter's film "In Debt We Trust" notes that poor people MORE reliable at paying back debts!
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 01:38 PM by calipendence

And THAT is why loan predators target them, because they know they aren't able to get decent loans, and they're more likely to get back the 300-500% loan shark rates they charge them on those "Payday" loans, etc.

So that is a bunch of BULLSH*T that those not able to pay loans back were being irresponsible. America is continuing to raise their costs of living in society, but at the same time lowering their means of paying back loans to keep them "trapped" (salaries not keeping up with inflation, etc.).
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notaboutus Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 01:40 PM
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13. You are not Alone
Don't get mad. The reason this is happening is everything done in dark comes to light. Here are a few facts. Most minorities qualified for FHA loans but wee pushed into higher conventional loans by the broker and lender so they could make more money.
Freddie and Fannie didn't deal with sub-prime loans only a paper. Sub-prime mortgages account for only 05-10% of all mortgages. Here are two more links for you.
www.anonymousliberal.com/2008/09/truth-about-minority-home-ownership.html
portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/03/373568.shtml/
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 01:51 PM
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14. I hope there is an immediate effort made to find a way to continue to make loans available
. . . to lower income workers; without, of course the predatory strings attached.

I fear that effort is a long way off, with millions of Americans left without access to capital for homes, cars, health care, etc.. Nothing could be worse than just not having money available at all. I don't think the present effort to address the abuses will do much in consideration of those folks who needed to take the drastic step of accepting one of these loans. We need to insist on an immediate effort to help get these folks into fixed rate mortgages and the like with reasonable terms. I don't see that yet in this legislation that's advancing. And I don't expect for lenders to make that effort to continue to make capital available to lower income workers without prodding from the government.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 04:01 PM
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15. They will resort to usury. High interest for middle class buyers. Low interest for the wealthy.
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 04:07 PM by McCamy Taylor
Just wait. We will all be forced to pay 20% on everything we buy while rich folks who default all the time and get bailouts will get prime rates.

They will justify this by saying it is key to fighting inflation.

However, the real reason will be because the middle class is more reliable at paying back debts and so they will have us over a barrel--we have to have cars and refrigerators and homes. And the rich, who can always get out of paying debts have the option to walk away from their bills so they have to be courted.

That is why they are bailing out from the top down and not the bottom up. They know that the top will take the money and run---leaving the nation's economy to crumble. And they will leave us to financial ruin without a backward glance unless someone makes it worth their while to stay. However the middle class will keep struggling to pay their crappy predatory mortgages just as long as they can.
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mmm413 Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:59 PM
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16. And let's not forget Elliot Spitzer.
He tried to do something about this and then, strangely, we saw him taken down in a most unorthodox way.
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OakCliffDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 05:22 AM
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17. Kick
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