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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:36 PM
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they're lying to us and too many Americans are going to swallow it....
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 06:57 PM by mike_c
Who's lying? Well, Bush and his cronies for starters. Their lips are moving so you can be pretty sure they're lying just because that's what they always do. They lie reflexively.

The financial industry is lying to us, starting with the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, and proceeding through the Wall street investment banks and, at least to some degree, all the way to your local bank branch, although I suspect the folks there mostly believe the lies.

More to the point, most of our congressmen and congresswomen are lying to us. They're telling us that this financial mess is all about a liquidity crisis and that the credit engines are freezing up, that if we don't buy Wall Street's bad debts we'll descend into another great depression, that if taxpayers don't pony up another $700 billion the sky will fall and tomorrow we'll all begin the slow process of starving to death in unemployment lines.

They're lying to us to keep us afraid.

The truth is that they've been lying to us for the last eight years-- and they've been stealing from us too. By keeping the dollar weak, and on an ever weakening trajectory, they've bled us in slow doses so that we hardly noticed the pain at all, but every day we've gotten a little weaker, a little closer to the edge. Every day they've fed on us a little more, draining a bit more value from our paychecks, our property, and our productivity. One of the most audacious transfers of wealth from working Americans to the "investor class" has taken place right under our eyes, essentially unnoticed.

But no, you say, my wages went up a little bit over the last few years, if you're lucky, and property values skyrocketed. But did they really? If a house was worth $150,000 in 2000 but three times that in 2005, as happened to nearly every home in my neighborhood, without one lick of improvement-- how could its real value have risen that much? Sure, it might have appreciated a little if demand for housing increased, but such a meteoric rise would require a housing crisis with people fighting over any scrap of shelter.

Instead, the dollar was bled down so that it takes more dollars to buy that same house, and THAT, along with all the other real estate market manipulations and mortgage shell games, primed the pump to blow a bubble big enough to raise home prices enormously faster than home values-- until the bubble blew. It was all illusion. Smoke and mirrors to fool the rubes. We've been harvested.

Meanwhile, our real wages declined with every fall in the dollar even when we thought we were treading water or maybe even making a little more. All of this was designed to transfer real wealth from us to the bankers and other financial manipulators, their investors and their pet politicians.

They're still lying to us because they aren't saying that the liquidity crisis will cause the dollar to strengthen, and that as the bubble deflates-- as the wild ride the financial industry has been on as it fed with increasing frenzy on the real worth of wages and productivity comes to an end-- we will gradually become wealthier as our paychecks regain their value. Home prices will fall back into reach of more and more Americans. Gas prices will decline. Food will become less and less expensive.

Don't believe the lies. Tell your congress critters that you're onto them. Tell your neighbors and your friends that they've been hoodwinked and the bastards are trying to pull off the biggest heist in history to keep their run going or to at least end it in style, while you and your children bleed through indentured servitude to their greed for the next generation or more.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:42 PM
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1. I hate to strongly disagree
this crisis did NOT start this week, or even this month.

A few of us noticed the prowling wolf even years ago. This crisis IS real...and if anything those entities have been WAY and I mean this from the bottom of my heart WAAAAYYYYYYY LATE in even recognizing the problem.

Go ahead... google my posts on the economy going back at least three years.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:48 PM
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3. I think you misunderstood my comments....
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 07:11 PM by mike_c
I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. This present crisis was *triggered* by events that occurred during the last ten years or so, and especially by deliberately bleeding the currency, but I completely agree that its roots reach back to Eisenhower. America never came out of the war time economy following World War Two, and that necessitated a consumer credit economy fueled largely by debt growth. In recent decades the growth of debt has superceded the growth of real economic value.

The American economy has been unsustainable for decades, swinging up and down in short term fluctuations but ultimately on a death spiral. I suspect we're in substantial agreement about that!
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:13 PM
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9. heh, mine too
Like net borrowed bank reserves going negative last January.

This *is* a crisis, but they also lie to us, and they are still lying. They are attempting a coup.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:36 PM
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10. And they are running this from the white house...
okie dokie
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:46 PM
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2. I Am Pleased To Say That I Strongly Agree!
eom
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:52 PM
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5. you haven't seen anything yet, and I hope you don't see how bad it will get
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:54 PM
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6. So you are pleased to say you trust Bush? n/t
n/t
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:57 PM
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8. I Am Pleased To Say That A Bailout Is Not Needed!
eom
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:50 PM
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4. Wonderful post! Of course they're lying to us, how anyone could think otherwise
is utterly confounding.

The financial industry is really nothing but a parasite, sucking out wealth and returning nothing.

rec'd,
sw
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summer borealis Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:54 PM
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7. Brilliant post!
I completely agree.
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NoUsername Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:04 PM
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11. The biggest heist in history indeed.
Here's a snippet from an article that was posted in the Economy forum:
Bush’s tax cuts and other measures favoring the rich led to the biggest redistribution of wealth from poor to rich in American history. The result was that the wealthy—the investment class—had more money to invest, or lend, than there were people and businesses looking to borrow.

The easiest way to bring more borrowers into the system—and to create more of a market for money—was to promote homeownership in America. This is precisely what the Bush administration did, touting home ownership as an American right. Of course, they weren’t talking about home ownership at all, but rather pushing people to borrow money tied to the value of a house.If people could be persuaded to take mortgages on homes, real estate values would go up for those already invested (like land trusts and real estate funds) and banks would have a market for the excess money they had accumulated.

...

Lots of people take out mortgages, and housing prices rise. This is used as evidence to convince more people that real estate is a great investment, and more people buy into the housing bubble. Lots of these people put little or no money down, and buy mortgages whose interests rates are going to change for the worse. But they believe the price of their home is inevitably going to go up, and pin their futures on the idea that they can refinance their mortgage before their rate changes. Since the house will be worth more, the mortgage for what they owe should be easier to get; it will represent a smaller percentage of the new total cost of the house.

Of course, this was dumb. Banks didn’t really care (because they weren’t holding the bad paper) but the people investing in those “mortgage-backed securities” were slowly getting wise to the fact that many of the borrowers were in over their heads. What to do? The credit industry went ahead and lobbied Washington to change the bankruptcy laws. While corporations could claim bankruptcy and stop paying for their retirees’ health coverage, individuals would no longer be able to claim bankruptcy, and even if they did, they would still owe their creditors the money they borrowed, forever. The credit industry spent over $100 million lobbying lawmakers for the new provisions.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/30/riding-out-the-credi.html#more


Gee, looks like this was all just a plan to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Whodda thunk? Nice to see that the bankruptcy bill (you know, the one that Joe Biden voted for along with 17 other Dems) was a key part of the plan. I was absolutely livid when that piece of shit legislation passed. Nice going there guys. We don't need a damn bailout bill. What we need is a second party. The "two" we have are awfully goddamned hard to tell apart at times.


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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 04:30 PM
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12. K & R & thank you for posting this (nt)
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