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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:35 AM
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Michael Moore-'Congratulations, Corporate Crime Fighters! Coup Averted for Three Days! '
I received this email this morning.

Of course the MSM will pump the fear
machine as much as possible.

Here's Mike's take on it,
he says it best.
:)


http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=236


Friends,

Everyone said the bill would pass. The masters of the universe were already making celebratory dinner reservations at Manhattan's finest restaurants. Personal shoppers in Dallas and Atlanta were dispatched to do the early Christmas gifting. Mad Men of Chicago and Miami were popping corks and toasting each other long before the morning latte run.

But what they didn't know was that hundreds of thousands of Americans woke up yesterday morning and decided it was time for revolt. The politicians never saw it coming. Millions of phone calls and emails hit Congress so hard it was as if Marshall Dillon, Elliot Ness and Dog the Bounty Hunter had descended on D.C. to stop the looting and arrest the thieves.

The Corporate Crime of the Century was halted by a vote of 228 to 205. It was rare and historic; no one could remember a time when a bill supported by the president and the leadership of both parties went down in defeat. That just never happens.

A lot of people are wondering why the right wing of the Republican Party joined with the left wing of the Democratic Party in voting down the thievery. Forty percent of Democrats and two-thirds of Republicans voted against the bill.

Here's what happened:

The presidential race may still be close in the polls, but the Congressional races are pointing toward a landslide for the Democrats. Few dispute the prediction that the Republicans are in for a whoopin' on November 4th. Up to 30 Republican House seats could be lost in what would be a stunning repudiation of their agenda.

The Republican reps are so scared of losing their seats, when this "financial crisis" reared its head two weeks ago, they realized they had just been handed their one and only chance to separate themselves from Bush before the election, while doing something that would make them look like they were on the side of "the people."

Watching C-Span yesterday morning was one of the best comedy shows I'd seen in ages. There they were, one Republican after another who had backed the war and sunk the country into record debt, who had voted to kill every regulation that would have kept Wall Street in check -- there they were, now crying foul and standing up for the little guy! One after another, they stood at the microphone on the House floor and threw Bush under the bus, under the train (even though they had voted to kill off our nation's trains, too), heck, they would've thrown him under the rising waters of the Lower Ninth Ward if they could've conjured up another hurricane. You know how your dog acts when sprayed by a skunk? He howls and runs around trying to shake it off, rubbing and rolling himself on every piece of your carpet, trying to get rid of the stench. That's what it looked like on the Republican side of the aisle yesterday, and it was a sight to behold.

The 95 brave Dems who broke with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were the real heroes, just like those few who stood up and voted against the war in October of 2002. Watch the remarks from yesterday of Reps. Marcy Kaptur, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Dennis Kucinich. They spoke the truth.

The Dems who voted for the giveaway did so mostly because they were scared by the threats of Wall Street, that if the rich didn't get their handout, the market would go nuts and then it's bye-bye stock-based pension and retirement funds.

And guess what? That's exactly what Wall Street did! The largest, single-day drop in the Dow in the history of the New York Stock exchange. The news anchors last night screamed it out: Americans just lost 1.2 trillion dollars in the stock market!! It's a financial Pearl Harbor! The sky is falling! Bird flu! Killer Bees!

Of course, sane people know that nobody "lost" anything yesterday, that stocks go up and down and this too shall pass because the rich will now buy low, hold, then sell off, then buy low again.

But for now, Wall Street and its propaganda arm (the networks and media it owns) will continue to try and scare the bejesus out of you. It will be harder to get a loan. Some people will lose their jobs. A weak nation of wimps won't last long under this torture. Or will we? Is this our line in the sand?

Here's my guess: The Democratic leadership in the House secretly hoped all along that this lousy bill would go down. With Bush's proposals shredded, the Dems knew they could then write their own bill that favors the average American, not the upper 10% who were hoping for another kegger of gold.

So the ball is in the Democrats' hands. The gun from Wall Street remains at their head. Before they make their next move, let me tell you what the media kept silent about while this bill was being debated:

1. The bailout bill had NO enforcement provisions for the so-called oversight group that was going to monitor Wall Street's spending of the $700 billion;

2. It had NO penalties, fines or imprisonment for any executive who might steal any of the people's money;

3. It did NOTHING to force banks and lenders to rewrite people's mortgages to avoid foreclosures -- this bill would not have stopped ONE foreclosure!;

4. It had NO teeth anywhere in the entire piece of legislation, using words like "suggested" when referring to the government being paid back for the bailout;

5. Over 200 economists wrote to Congress and said this bill might actually WORSEN the "financial crisis" and cause even MORE of a meltdown.

Put a fork in this slab of pork. It's over. Now it is time for our side to state very clearly the laws WE want passed. I will send you my proposals later today. We've bought ourselves less than 72 hours.

Yours,
Michael Moore


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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:38 AM
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1. K&R n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:40 AM
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2. The more I hear from Michael Moore, the more I'm convinced he's an ass.
Go ahead and flame away.

I'll just go ahead and respond to some of the inevitable claims.

No I am not a troll.

No I do not post or have an account over at FR (so I don't need to "go back to FR")

Yes I am certain that I am a Democrat.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:49 AM
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6. Shame on MM.. he wants affordable Health Care and Livable wages...for shame
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:50 AM
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7. Not as much as he wants attention. nt
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:54 AM
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9. Ya, but if MM didn't speak up..who would? Bill O'Reilly?
..and you certainly can't blame the guy for getting rich off his rants. You see the clothes he wears? lol
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:15 AM
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20. I'll stick with my Congressional Dems.
Carl Levin, John Conyers, Ted Kennedy, etc., those are my heroes. And they do more than speak up, they get shit done.


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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:39 PM
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34. Seems that you and all of us want....Moore simply writes a blog is everyone
who write a blog an ass? What shouldn't he write in his blog? Not be happy with this bullshit bailout many including myself are trying to stop ....How do you feel writing without wanting attention of course?
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 03:36 PM
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42. By writing on a blog ?
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:50 AM
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8. What specifically here set you off?
Is it just his position on the bailout or something else?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:26 AM
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12. Several things.
His assumption that all the Republicans who voted "no" did so to save their ass and all the Democrats did so out of principle. That is completely untrue, unnecessarily hyper-partisan and dumbs down the discussion, IMO.

Many Democrats voted "no" because they too are in tight races. So if they're heroes, then so too are the Republicans, and I obviously disagree with that.

I happen to think many Republicans voted on principle as well. The question is, what are their principles? What and whom were they fighting for in there?

Here's what Republican Congressman Darrell Issa said about the reason for his vote:

“I’m resolute in my opposition. Today we are ending the Reagan era if we vote for this, and we can’t come back and fix it next year.”

http://features.csmonitor.com/creditcrisis/2008/09/29/why-the-bailout-bill-went-down/

They were fighting to save Reaganism. They were fighting to save the very economic philosophy that got us into this mess. That's pretty stunning when you think of it. And important to highlight and understand, IMO.

And of course we know that the Democrats rejected the bill because it did not include enough protections for average Americans.

I think that Moore's approach here completely misses this point. Let's give the Republicans that they voted on principle and spend our energy highlighting why those principles are so very wrong. That's a more worthwhile and productive discussion to be having, IMO.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:27 AM
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24. Yes, it was probably hyperbole to suggest that not one Repub was
against the bill based on principled reasoning.

Even so, I'll still take Mike over most of the congressional "Impeachment is off the table" Dems.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:10 PM
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33. He is the Rush Limpballs of the left.
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 02:11 PM by deaniac21
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:47 PM
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35. Now Michael Moore is an easy target....
There's always these same kind of people (we see them on DU all the time) who claim to be "progressives" than trash easy targets of liberal popularity with their jealousy....Michael Moore receives this shit all the time from these losers no matter what truths Moore tells & reports....what do they have to offer these same people who dislike someone making a splash and trash him, what good are they doing offering up their bullshit?


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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 02:36 AM
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50. Please do not use Issa as an example of principle.
Edited on Wed Oct-01-08 02:40 AM by cui bono
He jump started the whole Davis recall with $2mn of his money because he wanted to be Gov. Then Schwartzenegger stepped in and crushed that dream. Issa is not a man of principle.

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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:57 AM
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10. Why ?, because he pointed (among other things)
that this bill,

1. The bailout bill had NO enforcement provisions for the so-called oversight group that was going to monitor Wall Street's spending of the $700 billion;

2. It had NO penalties, fines or imprisonment for any executive who might steal any of the people's money;

3. It did NOTHING to force banks and lenders to rewrite people's mortgages to avoid foreclosures -- this bill would not have stopped ONE foreclosure!;

4. It had NO teeth anywhere in the entire piece of legislation, using words like "suggested" when referring to the government being paid back for the bailout;

5. Over 200 economists wrote to Congress and said this bill might actually WORSEN the "financial crisis" and cause even MORE of a meltdown.


doesn't sound like an ass to me.

He sounds like a very intelligent, analytical man.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:29 AM
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:42 AM
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14. Wow. What an unnecessarily angry response.
And how unfortunate that you seem to think Moore is the only person fighting for liberal values out there.

You can have Michael Moore, I'll take Teddy.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:45 AM
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:52 AM
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16. Lol. "Freeperish". Of course.
Heck of an argument you've got there.

And, btw, I think you'll find many liberals who are turned off by Moore's tactics.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:55 AM
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:02 AM
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18. Then I think you'll be happy to know that you're wrong. nt
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:04 AM
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19. Be in denial all you want. But it's the truth. nt
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:08 PM
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45. Maybe so, but they don't need
MM, since they already know what he's preaching. On the other hand, I think he helps deliver the message to a lot of "new" people.

So far, I've seen that your quarrel with MM is about what motivation he ascribes to the two parties. You may be right, and he may be idolizing the Dems (after all, he supports the Dems now, rather than Nader). But the motivations are really of tertiary importance. Meanwhile, MM adds a few strong points to an already long list of reasons why the bailout as-is was a a humongous scam and a bluff.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:21 AM
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21. OK, you don't like the man...
But where is your arguments against the points he has made, other than name calling? Based on your response, I can only gather that you just don't like like his glasses, his ball cap, or the shoes he wears?

He made a statement based on his beliefs and provided clarification with point items.
You called him an ass, and gave permission for the other members of this forum to berate you.

I'd say that MM just won that debate from my vantage point.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:24 AM
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23. Post #12. nt
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:21 AM
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22. Moore may not be the most informed person
But his heart is in the right place and that is what matters. He has experienced first hand of reaganomics and has DONE so much as a voice for us. I've read his books when he claimed that the terrorists weren't trained in "some dipshit flight training school in Arizona" It is actually much more then that, I've been there before. It is huge and it actually trains you to fly planes rather then some "video game machine" as he claims.

But aside from all that he is very critical of the Bush administration and it's failed policies, how can you critisize that?
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:30 AM
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25. He's in bed with Bush as far as this bill is concerned
Politics, as they say, makes for very strange bedfellows. I never thought I'd see the day that Michael Moore and Bush were arguing with both Democrats and Repubicans for the same thing.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:38 AM
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27. Republicans are not supporting their president
That's the point that I see on MM comments
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:39 AM
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28. Opposing a bill that Bush publicly supported?
That didn't make sense
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:53 PM
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31. What?!?!
These are the people in bed with Bush:


.....NOT Michael Moore
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:09 PM
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46. Say what?
Bush wanted the bill to pass, MM was opposed. So how is he in bed with Bush?
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:12 PM
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47. I mis-spoke--I meant he's in bed with McCain
But presumably both McCain AND Obama wanted the bill to pass. Unless McCain has flopped again.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 02:43 AM
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52. What? How is that?
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:02 PM
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44. So your refutation of the points MM is making
can be read where?
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:43 AM
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3. Recomended.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:44 AM
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4. The more I hear from Michael Moore, the more I'm convinced he's one of the few non-asses.....
:think:

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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:44 AM
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5. I hope the Dems are listening
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:21 AM
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11. Michael Moore is great - excellent article. nt
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:36 AM
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26. K&R
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:53 AM
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29. K & R...
:kick:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 12:02 PM
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30. damn... I Couldn't Recommend this twice...
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 12:02 PM by fascisthunter
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 03:28 PM
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40. Thanks!

:hi:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 03:49 PM
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43. your most welcome
and kicked again... :hi:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:03 PM
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32. I wish I could hit the "Must Read" button for this.
Thanks, Micheal Moore.
:patriot:

I believe that Michael Moore is the only private citizen EVER attacked by a president during a State of the Union address.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:50 PM
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36. and listening to Rep Kaptur on CSpan this morn, I agree with MMoore.
There are wiser and better proposals to be considered. Minus the fear factor and the 'must have $700 billion by the end of the week ..or else' demands of Paulson & Bush's base.This is a GOP created disaster, long time coming.
Voices more reasonable than the ones we've been allowed to hear this week, are now speaking out and making a lot more sense.

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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 03:29 PM
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41. Thanks so much!
Mike really nails it, doesn't he?

:) :hi:
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:55 PM
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37. Kick
:dem:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 02:57 PM
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38. Is It Time To Trash Talk And Swiftboat Michael Moore ?
Hope I'm not too late for the swiftboating campaign against Moore.

If we throw enough crap against Michael maybe some of it will stick!

We can spread misinformation, distortions, tell half-truths and just make up shit against Michael Moore.

After all, that works well against Ralph Nader, Sean Penn and others

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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 03:28 PM
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39. BBI, I agree with you.
He is a target for a lot of anger.

But there are a number of us who like him
and find his straight talk and humor very
cathartic.


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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:13 PM
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48. I'm half and half on Michael's message...
"The presidential race may still be close in the polls, but the Congressional races are pointing toward a landslide for the Democrats. Few dispute the prediction that the Republicans are in for a whoopin' on November 4th. Up to 30 Republican House seats could be lost in what would be a stunning repudiation of their agenda."

Repudiation of what Republican agenda? They haven't been in power over a year and a half. While I would welcome a landslide in our favor in November, I'd also like to landslide out all the Dems who've enabled these Repugs and replace them with some real progressives. It's THEIR agenda we've put up with for the last 1.5 yrs.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 02:52 AM
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53. Wow! That is some grand right wing propaganda you are spouting there!
Repudiation of the Republican trickle down theory for one, as far as economics goes. Of deregulation. The Dems didn't push all that through. And the Dems don't have enough of a majority to have passed whatever they wanted with the split the way it is. And with LIEberman on the other side we don't even have the simple majority in the Senate.

The Republicans effectively blocked everything they wanted to block while the Dems have "been in power".

You really think the Dems created this financial mess we're in? Show me the proof. This has been predicted for at least 4 years by Dean Baker for one. And it's all because of deregulation and greed. And deregulation sits squarely on the Republicans' shoulders. Several of whom are campaign advisors to McCain.

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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:26 AM
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55. No I'm not making that argument...
I'm just making the argument that there's plenty I'd like to repudiate of the blue-dog dems that haven't even attempted impeachment.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 11:29 AM
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56. Okay, but that's not what you said. You said the Republicans aren't reponsible
because the Dems have been in power for the last year and half.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:50 PM
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49. K&R
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 02:40 AM
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51. He's right, it's time for revolt!
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 04:52 AM
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54. Hold your breath until nobody can finance cars and everybody* in Flint loses their jobs
*There still are a few GM workers left in Flint, Michigan despite 50,000 layoffs.
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