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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:53 PM Original message |
Anti-bailout people: your reality check is in the mail |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, but how do potato futures look? |
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EV_Ares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. Thanks, very good analogy of this situation. There are going to be a lot of |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
53. BE AFRAID !!!! BE SO FUCKING AFRAID!!!! |
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texan4obama (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
122. Anyone who doubts the need 4 a RESCUE, check your 401K |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #122 |
139. Actually it already happened |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #122 |
140. You are thinking of your own pocketbook. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Another "I got mine" poster |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #142 |
161. Actually, he's right. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #140 |
155. Selfish smug people are not very nice |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #155 |
188. I am neither smug nor selfish. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #140 |
185. "Fuck You, I Got Mine"? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:13 AM Response to Reply #122 |
156. It is not the function if government to protect equities. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #122 |
184. Bullshit... the banks have liquidity or they'd go belly up with the rest... |
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Imagine My Surprise (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. I doubt if anyone else would agree with me...BUT, if THIS is what it takes... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
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Catch22Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. How did you conclude all that from his/her post? |
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Imagine My Surprise (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. thank you for clarifying my sexual fantasties...evidently he/she was confused n/t |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. I vote for on the edge to begin with. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
94. You VOTE? |
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Imagine My Surprise (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Yep. Bring in the new era...or perhaps you never picked up a history book... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. imagine your surprise: I have a MA in history- albeit a rather specialized |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. So you prefer giving all of our money to wall st? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
70. another with trouble reading. . I was opposed to |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #70 |
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Mother Of Four (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #133 |
170. Wow- |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #170 |
194. That's the problem with people who either have |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #36 |
149. Unfortunately this is true... |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
54. I'm not dying to see it all crash down, because it will get very bad. BUT... |
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EV_Ares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
61. It is hard for me to understand those who are willing to have people who are |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #19 |
173. What happened in Germany in the early 1930's again? |
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Imagine My Surprise (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. And for the record, the only people who give a flying fuck are trapeze artists. n/t |
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Glaseatr (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. Wow |
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Catch22Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
141. Bingo and welcome to DU |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
186. Well said |
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summer borealis (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
51. Agreed |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
85. I Agree. I'd Prefer A Real Solution But I Doubt That Will Be |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
145. Most of us ... it's failed over & over again --- !!! |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:58 PM Original message |
oh, the irony |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
137. How dare you refuse to pay the Mafia protection money?? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
163. What part of this crisis don't you get??!1! |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. And here's your own reality check: |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
5. So, we'll have to live like the rest of the planet lives? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. ...in a nutshell. But you must know you are throwing pearls before farmyard animals descended |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Ah, I'm materialistic. There's a reasoned criticism. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
119. The rest of the planet? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
6. An economic reporter on NPR today said he couldn't find an economist... |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Don't blight their little fantasy world. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. The key word here being 'yet'. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Still, they don't need to RUSH something through. The admin. has other "tools"... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. Yes, we have other tools, but many of them come with a higher price tag |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. I understand your argument, but it's NOT a fire and there's no reason to panic (which NEVER helps). |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. It's an analogy, and it's a good one. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
73. I think you're giving the con men of the Bush admin. FAR TOO MUCH CREDIT... |
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Marsala (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #73 |
162. The NPR reporter must not have spoken to Paul Krugman |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
74. hmmmm |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. Exactly, most companies have revolving credit lines for payroll and such already in place, |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
75. That's how it was explained on NPR - it's not an ideal situation, but it's not so dire... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
112. Um, it's exactly those revolving credit lines I'm worried about |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #112 |
148. But most companies already have those in place, you think the banks will rescind/close them? |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
123. The cost on those lines can go up... |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #123 |
147. The ones I've seen are Prime+, so long as interest stays low, should be fine. |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #147 |
167. LIBOR + is more common... |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
7. Deliberate, write a bill that also helps Main Street and it will pass |
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Catch22Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. This is a chicken little post |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
135. You called? |
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Catch22Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 06:58 AM Response to Reply #135 |
166. HAHAHA |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
12. I should buy new underpants today.. n/t |
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chupacabranation (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
14. K & Mother-Effing R. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
50. name the huge list of small businesses you KNOW are losing their lines of credit |
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chupacabranation (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. I agree that with no equity and compensation reform, there is no deal. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. I don't want to "punish" the govt |
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chupacabranation (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
91. Right. And people in hell want ice water. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. there are people who are working on diff. options |
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chupacabranation (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. I wish I knew. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #106 |
114. so in essence, you agree with me |
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chupacabranation (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. Fundamentally, I think that something is necessary. The devil is in the details. n/t |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #68 |
164. The two businesses you named.. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. Ack! The sky will be falling imminently! We'll all be shuffling off to the farms |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
136. So, what's wrong with eating corn? (With a little sand, of course.) |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #136 |
174. Corn is fine, but if I miss a payment on my Rolex they'll take it away! nt |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
18. End of the fiscal year for some companies, too. |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
20. Sorry, I'm not going to be frightened into supporting a bad deal. |
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LonelyLRLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
21. Robert Reich said today that the situation is NOT financial Armagedon. |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
22. If available credit is the problem, then why isn't the solution |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Becasue ultimately it won't help the fatcats as much as it would.... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. The bailout bill is a temporary loan program. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. The bailout is a sure path to hyperinflation |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. Why do you keep saying I live in a gated community? |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. OK, Mr Economic Expert! Enlighten me! |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. I'm not going to tell you any of that, because that's not the case I'm making. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
177. You may as well give up. Some will never understand. |
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Tigermoose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #83 |
191. Very well said |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
129. I'm NOT suggesting govt. buy the collateral which is unsaleable. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
143. A pawnbroker pays WAY below going rate. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:18 AM Response to Reply #143 |
157. This is not the case. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #143 |
176. 30 to 50 cents on the dollar is NOT top of the market price. n/t |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #176 |
187. It is if they are WORTHLESS. n/t |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #176 |
189. If no one wants to buy them.. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #33 |
165. Equity stake was not guaranteed in the TARP bill. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
180. It is not a temporary loan. It's an offer to clean up the balance sheets of |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
27. Excellent post ... |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
28. If the bailout happens, hyperinflation will result. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Hyperinflation is starting now. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. You have savings and a pension? You're richer than i am then. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
67. I didn't say I had savings |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. If you want to throw your money to the wolves, go nuts. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. Nitwit. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:12 PM Original message |
Thief |
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Tigermoose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
192. Care to join us in the 21st century comrade? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
64. The credit market imploding would do a great job limiting m3 and thus be anti-inflationary |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
89. How do you make that out? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #89 |
99. m3 is created when banks do what they do, lending money |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. OK, but the Fed pouring $600-odd bn into the economy today is just as inflationary |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. What are you talking about and how can you prove your comparison |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #108 |
115. I think you want to take a more detailed look at what the Fed is doing already |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. Evidence for that? |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. When you overprint money, value goes down and inflation results |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Evidence that the plan will cause hyperinflation? |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. Than tell me how the bailout will prevent hyperinflation |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. That's not it's designed for! -moreover, that's trying to prove a negative |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Nationalizing the banks will accomplish the same thing |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. No one is "intent on rewarding" fat cats... |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #90 |
126. I'm one of those hardworking honest people |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. :sigh: |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. I see your point, we're not so far off |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
31. Angibrowl: Would you mind linking me to the posts you've made on DU predicting this meltdown? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. I don't bookmark my posts on DU, and I don't only post on DU. |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
32. It's time to take it BACK from these people and stop giving into FEAR. |
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onethatcares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
34. it's also the end of the fiscal year for alot of businesses |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
35. When the bailout bill failed, 700 billion kittens died. |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
38. Thanks, it is time to tell the truth about TOMORROW! |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
42. Nicely done. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
46. So? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
95. Many people have posted similar things |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
48. Oh fuck a turkey and a credit line. |
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RollWithIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
55. The bleeding will mostly be in the small business sector with 5-20 employees.... |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
59. I am very pleased they did not give that fucker.. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
60. The rating system seems to be gone, so I'll just say it: DISRUPTIVE |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
92. What's disruptive about it? |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
63. I look forward to finding out |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #63 |
98. Unfortunately, like the so called "pro-life" folks |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #98 |
144. instant karma |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
65. What about the $630 Billion the Fed pumped into the economy today? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
93. What indeed |
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
66. You know what scares me more? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
69. I guess all those millionares better pool together $700 Billion from their personal funds then... |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. Eisenhower, the last decent republican, was very effective with top tax |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
71. Maybe if the bill addressed bailing out the struggling small businesses instead of the banks... |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. exactly. n/t |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
82. If all else fails, declare war on your own. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #82 |
97. I am poor, and I am not arguing for generosity to the rich. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #97 |
172. And we could say the same and WORSE for you. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
86. OMIGOD!!! Throw us 1 tril NOW NOW NOW or the economy gets it!!! |
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That Guy 888 (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
87. Sorry I don't want a bill that will cause what it proposes to prevent |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #87 |
110. I agree with those proposals, but... |
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That Guy 888 (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #110 |
125. Show me some reputable economists who say this paper's wrong |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #125 |
138. This Harvard economist says that the bail out is bullshit |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
88. Did you ever believe Saddam had Winnebago's Of Death? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #88 |
101. No, and that has nothing to do with this issue |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
100. so ANY legislation is the remedy? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. No, but I think the bill that was voted on today was a reasonable fudge |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #103 |
116. fair enough |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
104. Sorry. Not scared yet. Keep trying. nt |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
105. I think a few payless paydays just might be a good dose of reality for some people. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #105 |
124. By that point I think you are past the point of no return. n/t |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. No. I just realize the gravity of this economic crisis. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #127 |
175. Sorry. I was not arguing against you... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
107. Apparently none of you and your bailout buddies understand how our economy works |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. Not hostile to your view but didn't they say this bill was broken down to 250 B w/ 100 B if needed? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #113 |
121. The initial bailout monies would be enough to tank the bond rating |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #121 |
128. Thanks for the taking the time to explain this. It will be a rough ride either way it looks like! |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #107 |
117. I think Bush and Paulson wanted this bail out in order to hurt Obama's presidency |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #117 |
152. So why was Obama HIMSELF for it? Think! |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #152 |
160. LOL. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #107 |
120. Aren't you kind of assuming that our bonds won't get downgraded? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #120 |
146. The rating of bonds isn't tied to how the stock markets are doing |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #146 |
159. The toxic paper is ultimately backed by bricks and mortar |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
109. I can relate to this because I have been around a little longer then some here - SHI_ Happens! |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
111. WOW! I'm so panicked! My heart is racing. We gotta give wall st. $$$$$$$ NOW!!! |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
131. So, you actually took time to write THAT?! |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #131 |
158. It's my third economic bust, and I know a lot more about it than you, I think. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #158 |
196. You haven't learned anything in any of them, then. |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
134. Banks have liquidity, and they are hoarding it. More wouldn't matter. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #134 |
182. Yep... I don't understand why people don't get this... |
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galileoreloaded (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
150. That isan amazingly non-informed... oh, never mind..........n/t |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
151. the sky is falling! saddam has WMDs! OBL is coming to git you! |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
153. The absolute best post of the day..... |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
154. So, essentially, shouldn't we all just be stocking up on paper? Because there will be less around, |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
168. Libor Surges Most on Record |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
169. You'll never be able to talk sense to the Pitchfork Brigade |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
171. kick |
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OakCliffDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
178. It is also the end of the fiscal year for the Federal Government |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
179. So why not just put the Fed in the commerical paper business? |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. Well, then the CEOs on Wall street won't get billions of dollars |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
183. Can I revel in my ideological purity since Wall street didn't collapse today? |
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Tigermoose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
190. Ouch. Great line |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
193. Bailout people: Chicken Little gets hit with another acorn. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
195. Bailout Idiots... thanks for Bailing Out Criminals While Screwing Average Americans |
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