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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 03:34 PM
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America FIRST..
How about laying blame where it might do some good.

Time to think outside the box.. The "consumers" (once called citizens) have borne the brunt of EVERY monetary crash brought on by greedy rich corporatists.. Perhaps we have all just had ENOUGH!!

so why not:

Legislate an immediate 30% "greed tax" for ANY goods built, assembled, manufactured outside the US, and shipped back her to be sold "on the cheap" ( and by that, I mean the USA..not American Samoa, Guam, or any of the phony "usa" locations we have become accustomed to)..

For companies that RE-locate back to the USA, a 5% REDUCTION of taxes, for every 10% they increase their USA workforce.

Maybe set in place a 10 year freeze on salaries for top corporate bosses.. No stock options..just a regular paycheck, like most of us out here.. Maximum $400K is OK..but no more..

Make the "networks" peel off the news divisions, and require that they report on ALL the news..even news that's not particularly liked by the "sponsors"..

Create a c-span-esque channel for each major party, so the candidates could have FREE air time to make their plans evident to us.. and then BAN all paid political advertising..

That ONE thing would mean that lobbyists would no longer have any real leverage with politicians. No NEED for big bucks for ads..no need for lobbyist money.. Anyone accepting lobby-money would be just a garden-variety CROOK, and should be prosecuted.

Freeze all credit card usage, and make everyone re-apply..and only the credit-worthy get cards..and even then only ONE of any "brand" of card..

Once millions of people had no access to credit they could not afford, there would be a necessary uprising to see about the underlying cause for our current troubles... stagnant/falling wages, in a time of ever-increasing expenses..

Maybe that 700 Billion would be better spent by doing a one-time "bail-out" of main-street people, and then no more credit cards..no more equity loans.. People , free from debt, will spend money..and money spent, boosts the overall economy.

A cut on the defense budget..across the board. We just cannot afford wars anymore... Bring our soldiers home, re-equip them, and keep our noses out of other people's business.. the money we could cut from defense would surely help us now..

Stop giving corporate welfare to enormous companies, some of which, have yearly profits higher than the entire GNP of whole countries.

There are probably many "small things" that could be done, which would add up to a BIG change..

People with addictions, often cannot "heal" until they truly hit bottom and take a realistic look at the mess they have made..

Have we found our bottom?? Maybe so.. Time to start the re-building..

One more thing.. People who perpetrated this decades-long fraud, MUST be named and prosecuted, if possible,..







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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 03:37 PM
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1. I hear you, I really hear you....
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:10 PM
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18. What's the difference between...
...bailing out Main Street and promising to lower taxes? Isn't the idea of each policy to put more money in people's pocket?
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 03:39 PM
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2. Could never happen. It make too much sense.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 03:41 PM
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3. WE are America. We come first. n/t
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 04:51 PM
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8. Fuck you
sincerely. I'm not American, I'm of a fourth world nation ("indigenous people") and I feel your pain and would like to help and share if I can and may.

But if America comes first and the planet only second, you are beyond help. Do not doubt that Mother Earth - whom you have violated agains like no other people - will have the last word.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:00 PM
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9. Nowhere did I say that foreign aid was a no-no..
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 05:01 PM by SoCalDem
In fact, probably the KINDEST thing that Americans could do for the 2nd, 3rd & 4th world...would be to BUTT OUT!!

I have LIVED in places other than the USA, and have witnessed real poverty..up close & personal...and somehow the way the USA "handles" its foreign policy these days, has not helped all that much.. so YES.. I think a period of comtemplative drawing back, would help us all..

Foreign aid in the guise of schools, health care, building infrastructure..winning hearts & minds is nat something we should ever stop doing..

What we SHOULD stop doing is exploiting poor people's labor & the resources of their countries, so a few fatcats here, can get fatter & richer..
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:04 PM
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10. Priorities
Perhaps we can agree that if anything comes first, it's this planet and nature. People's worries are just secondary and don't come "FIRST".

And sorry for the inflammatory language. I'm only human.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:36 PM
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11. You read WAYYYY too much into what I said. "We" is the American people and in
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 05:37 PM by live love laugh
American democracy, the PEOPLE come first. At least they are supposed to, though we don't.

NOWHERE did I say or imply that I meant We, as Americans, come before others in the World.

You imbecile.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:45 PM
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14. Granted
I'm imbecile.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:55 PM
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16. fuck you/I feel your pain. get help, dear
oh, and stop with the delusions. you can't speak for the universe.

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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 01:45 AM
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19. No,
not the universe. It's the universalists who speak for their delusion of the universe.

I'm just asking nature to speak for me. And not demanding anyone to live in the same nature.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 03:43 PM
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4. Your plan works for me.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 04:15 PM
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5. You lost me with this:
"Freeze all credit card usage, and make everyone re-apply..and only the credit-worthy get cards..and even then only ONE of any "brand" of card.."

This is unrealistic. I have monthly bills on my card that I pay off every month.

The crush of this alone would bring the United States to it's knees. Think about it.

You have no idea how business works.
With no more credit business would have to close, laying off the employees. Business normally work with lines of credit.

Some of your points are good, some are ok, but this is very bad, it would kill us as a country to implement.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 04:17 PM
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6. Key phrase..."credit-worthy"
People who cannot afford credit, should NOT have it..It;s just that simple.. Obviously, YOU have no problem handling yours, but millions cannot "handle" it..
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:07 PM
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17. That is not the bad part of his suggestions.
"Freeze all credit card usage, and make everyone re-apply..and only the credit-worthy get cards..and even then only ONE of any "brand" of card.."

"Freeze all credit card usage..." The problem is not the end user. The problem is the fraud and pyramid schemes by the greedy fat cats. In other words not Main street, Wall Street is the problem. Don't make the victims suffer even more.

Can't you imagen the chaos caused by EVERYONE having to reapply for hundreds of millions of credit cards at the same time? Bankruptcies would sky rocket.
If the credit card companies don't know the good card holders from the bad and only deal with the bad, there is no hope anyway.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 04:46 PM
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7. What the shit?
"America first" - are you really serious?

That cancer (US and global capitalism) is or prime importance compared to host (Mother Earth)?
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:38 PM
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12. Again, how do you plan to pass this? With a sixteen seat majority and forty-seven blue dogs?
How? The GOP are never going to sign off on anything resembling the HOLC or the New deal in general, and the Democrats are far too divided and skittish to force it through. It's not just about finding a better plan (you can't swing a dead cat without hitting one), it's about finding one that will actually pass.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:52 PM
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15. At some point even the most idiotic, short-sighted, DINO will be forced into acting responsibly.
We are here to stay because we have no place else to go, so time is on our side. Eventually, which team you are on will become irrelevant and then action can be taken.

No matter how long the corporatists, of either party, refuse to move, we will outlast them, unless we give in to the fear they spread. The fear they depend on to exist.

(Seems like there was once a famous Democrat that said something about all we have to fear...)



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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 05:43 PM
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13. Thing is, it wouldn't take $700B to bailout out Main Street
Why is this so hard?
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OakCliffDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 04:56 AM
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20. We need to grow our jobs at home, not in China
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 05:01 AM
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21. Oy vey.

Legislate an immediate 30% "greed tax" for ANY goods built, assembled, manufactured outside the US, and shipped back her to be sold "on the cheap" ( and by that, I mean the USA..not American Samoa, Guam, or any of the phony "usa" locations we have become accustomed to)..


Right. Killing imports will really make all of the problems go away. And you can forget about exporting anything either if you imposed this.


For companies that RE-locate back to the USA, a 5% REDUCTION of taxes, for every 10% they increase their USA workforce.


Why don't we start by getting them to pay the taxes they're supposed to pay in the first place. 5% of zero is zero.


Maybe set in place a 10 year freeze on salaries for top corporate bosses.. No stock options..just a regular paycheck, like most of us out here.. Maximum $400K is OK..but no more..


What specific problem do you see this addressing?



Make the "networks" peel off the news divisions, and require that they report on ALL the news..even news that's not particularly liked by the "sponsors"..


Who's defining "all the news" then?


Create a c-span-esque channel for each major party, so the candidates could have FREE air time to make their plans evident to us.. and then BAN all paid political advertising..


I'm sure both will achieve the lofty ratings achieved by C-SPAN. Also, you can't "ban political advertising." I'll leave it to you to figure out why that is.
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