The trap has been set.. Dem leaders played for fools

[realitythink]

They are now up there on the TV trying to explain themselves. What they're trying to defend is oppossed by over 90% of the electorate. Five weeks before the election the Rethugs will now wrap Bush around the Dems necks (Obama too).

Call me chicken little if you will but I think they've been picked off in this game of chess, AGAIN!

[gravity]

1. Its a trap for the republicans

[yurbud]

2. yep. They picked the right issue too--too many Democrats are too tightly tied to big business

[sharp_stick]

13. Absolutely

the Republicans are so clean on this issue, I mean they have no ties at all to big business or finance do they?

:sarcasm:

If you weren't being sarcastic I need a baggie of the stuff in your pipe ASAP please.

[yurbud]

25. Have you heard of the DLC? They are like republicans without the religious nuts

[K8-EEE]

26. Yeah don't the Republicans look GOOD? NOT!!!

Especially Mr "I'll suspend my campaign & geeter-done!"

[stopbush]

3. You're Chicken Little and you don't understand basic politics to boot.

[sharp_stick]

Chicken Little nah

pathetic whining wretch, that's a little closer. Thanks for playing.

[Warpy]

4. The GOP doesn't play chess, hon

They're lucky to have mastered checkers.

How can this possibly be a trap for the Dems? It was nearly everything the GOP wanted and the crybabies voted against it.

If anything, it was a trap for the GOP. It showed them as petty, mean spirited, vindictive, and anti American as they are.

[stillcool]

5. and John McCain saved the day..

by getting all the Republicans to vote for the bill, right?

[lamp_shade]

6. Is fishing one of your hobbies?

[Bluebear]

7. Welcome to DU

[On the Road]

8. If This Results in a Depression

the Republican party will be destroyed for years, just like it was in the 1930s.

They're the ones that need to get their act together.

[Wilber_Stool]

9. Watching CNBC here.

Talking head seems to think that the gops own this one. Setting policy for six years and now responsible for failure to pass. I'm surprised they're taking this position.

[april]

10. What are they going to stage this for the White Knight JM to come to the rescue?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

35. McCain will probably lie now and say he was against it all along

Why not, he lies about everything.

[april]

36. Oh yes John went of the news to offer his advice //ass

[realitythink]

11. The average voter only understands one thing

The democrats want to give away 700 Billion dollars.. We'll see. I hope you're all right and I'm wrong, believe me.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

34. McCain took credit for this bill Sunday morning

To justify the "suspend" stunt last week. He doesn't even know what's in it! How do you think Obama is going to get slammed for it?

[wishlist]

12. Not Dems fault if Repub defeat of bailout causes financial meltdown nt

[Parker CA]

16. Dupe. Delete.

[Parker CA]

21. Everyone on MSNBC/CNBC are calling this a massive failure for pukes and McLiar

A puke strategist was quoted as saying (paraphrasing) "Now we own the economic failure and the bailout failure, this isn't good for our party."

Pukes and the Liar will have to wear this one on their sleeves because they put party politics before country and voted against this based on emotion from Pelosi's speech. This could finish them.

[livelongandprosper]

14. You get this wrong. The Repubs now look like a bunch of

crybabies.

[TexasObserver]

15. No, this puts the entire risk of economic decline on the GOP.

That's the beauty of this failing. If it passed, the GOP would beat us over the head with it, as the bailout helped the economy limp through the election. Now, the chickens will come home to roost as the markets drop. The GOP will be blamed as that continues, for they stopped the bailout.

If the bailout had passed, it would have to work, and if it didn't, Democrats would catch hell. Now, it is assumed the bailout out would work, so those who opposed it will be blamed for any further declines in the market.

I like our position, and Barney Frank kicked the dog shit out of those cry baby Republicans.

[TexasObserver]

17. No, this puts the entire risk of economic decline on the GOP.

That's the beauty of this failing. If it passed, the GOP would beat us over the head with it, as the bailout helped the economy limp through the election. Now, the chickens will come home to roost as the markets drop. The GOP will be blamed as that continues, for they stopped the bailout.

If the bailout had passed, it would have to work, and if it didn't, Democrats would catch hell. Now, it is assumed the bailout out would work, so those who opposed it will be blamed for any further declines in the market.

I like our position, and Barney Frank kicked the dog shit out of those cry baby Republicans.

[aldo]

18. Thank God enough Dems had the sense not to follow the leadership off that cliff

The Morlocks were playing them big time. The bill would have done nothing for the economy in the long run, it would however have been a gift to the guilty. (Realtythink, those here for a long time have all learned to ignore the nitwits.)

We haven't all drank that koolaid.

[EOTE]

19. Just WHAT is it that Dems will be tied to?

If there's no bill, there's really nothing to be tied to. HOWEVER, the market has tanked, is tanking at this announcement and it looks like there's really no light to be seen at the end of this tunnel. THAT will be tied to the Republicans blocking the efforts to get this bill passed. If the bill had passed with the great majority of republicans voting no, Democrats would have gotten 100% of the blame when the depression ultimately hit, even if the bill did a good deal to stave off the effects. Democrats really were in a lose lose situation at that point. Now as things stand, the blame resides solely with the GOP (euphemism for that toxic word republican).

[droidamus2]

24. Democrats didn't totally bite on this one

The saving grace for the Democrats is that they didn't totally bite on this one. They would be tied to the fact that 'their party' wanted to pass the bill and the majority of them voted for it. Doesn't matter if it passed. I think the Republicans may have been baiting the Democrats a little. They were hoping to get the Democrats to cast enough votes to pass it on their own so that they could run against the bailout. The Democrats were smart enough to sit back and see if the promised votes were coming from the Republican side. When they weren't forthcoming they said to hell with it lets trash it and start over thus short circuiting the Republicans bait and switch tactics.

[rucky]

20. Don't the Republican have to explain the 700 point drop in the Dow?

[global1]

22. My Gut Tells Me That If You Asked Those Americans That Were Against This Bailout.....

again now that the bill failed and they see the market dip to -720 and falling and they check their 401K's and they realize they can't get their car loan and they can't get the college loan and gas prices continue to go up; and gas shortages continue - I think that they would now be more for it than against. Yes - I'm saying that many American people will flip flop on this - now that it directly hits their pocketbook.

This will all be pinned on the Repugs now - they were the ones that voted against it or more correctly didn't get the vote out for it.

[droidamus2]

23. Not that far off

Possible spin

1. Democrats sided with George Bush on this.
2. This shows the Democrats are the Big Government/Big business party just wanting, as usual,
to spend your tax dollars.
3. Republicans in the House and Senate now can run 'against' George Bush and claim to be
Mavericks and independent from the Bush policies they have backed for 8 years.
4. Rightly or wrongly the Republicans can claim they did this for 'Main Street'.
5. Don't be surprised to see a bunch of Republican ads come out almost immediately playing
off of this theme.

If, and a big if it is, they can sell this crap they could conceivably pull closer in the House and Senate races. To keep some semblance of control and participation in the government the Republicans either have to control the congress or the presidency. Maybe they have written off McCain/Palin (this definitely doesn't help their cause) and this is a last ditch risky venture to salvage something in the Congressional races.

On the other hand, if the stock market and economy seem to tank in the next couple of weeks the Republicans have torpedoed their presidential nominee and made their congressional delegate look like a bunch of self serving, philosophically driven morons.

[glinda]

27. I'm confused

I feel like I really don't know what is going on but I do feel that there is a combination of fakery, pressure, some real economic troubles, entrapment and just tons of underlying things. Tons. I am soooooooooooo sick of this. My husband's retirement that we live on is at stake. I am starting to feel like selling all my belongings and try to sell the house at a loss and leave this Country. Am so sick of this.

[droidamus2]

29. I hear you

I think in a large part confusion is exactly what the people behind all this want. Nobody is really explaining why we need this except in generalities reduce it all to 'be afraid be very afraid'. Nobody is really putting out workable options as to what can be done. I find it hard to believe that this 'bailout' is the only thing that can be done. I don't think the Republican houses idea of lets do more of what got us here would really solve anything either. Maybe this failure to pass is exactly what the American people need to give them some time to sit back and really get a handle on what is wrong with the process and how to fix it. Of course us here at DU think a big step would be to kick the Republicans out of the White house, House and Senate but that's just us.

[glinda]

28. I'm confused

I feel like I really don't know what is going on but I do feel that there is a combination of fakery, pressure, some real economic troubles, entrapment and just tons of underlying things. Tons. I am soooooooooooo sick of this. My husband's retirement that we live on is at stake. I am starting to feel like selling all my belongings and try to sell the house at a loss and leave this Country. Am so sick of this.

[tama]

30. What the trap is

is partisanship instead of really believing in "we the people". The trap of divade and conquer.

[ColbertWatcher]

31. Now, Pelosi knew the GOP wouldn't cooperate, why else would she say what she did? n/t

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

32. Not really

This vote was all based on people in close races not having to vote for it. The ones who did vote for it are not really in any trouble of getting knocked out.

Also, McCain has been out in front taking credit for this bill (when we all know he did nothing). Obama has pretty much stayed above the fray. McCain has it around his neck in spades.

[Virginia Dare]

33. 8 Ball Says "NO!!!"...n/t