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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:29 AM
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Oreos are made in CHINA????? Read this.
HONG KONG, China (AP) -- British chocolate maker Cadbury said Monday that tests have "cast doubt" on the safety of its Chinese-made products and ordered a recall, the latest foreign company affected by China's tainted milk scandal. A researcher in Wuhan last week checks for melamine in milk samples collected from stores.
Meanwhile, two U.S. food makers were investigating Indonesian claims that high traces of melamine were found in Chinese-made Oreos, M&Ms and Snickers.


More here -http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/29/candy.milk.ap/index.html
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:30 AM
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1. OMG! Oreos is one thing, but not SNICKERS!
:(
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:32 AM
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2. the ones that are sold in China and that region
i don't think the ones sold in the United States are made in China.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:54 AM
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8. I wouldn't be so sure. I was looking at a package of cookies
at the store one day and noticed they were made in Indonesia. Even if the Oreos aren't made in China, how do we know there is no Chinese milk being imported to make them? This is going to do wonders for my weight, I can tell you that.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:00 AM
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27. Oreos for consumptrion in the US are made HERE, just stop
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 07:14 AM by DainBramaged
Why do people want to destroy every icon we have?


alarmist

a person who tends to raise alarms, esp. without sufficient reason, as by exaggerating dangers or prophesying calamities. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alarmist
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:22 PM
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39. You have ZERO idea where the ingredients they make oreos come from. None. nt
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:45 AM
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18. maybe, maybe not ... consider the shelf life of the average
Twinkie ...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:32 AM
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3. oreos and candy made for asian markets not us markets...
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 06:32 AM by madrchsod
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:32 AM
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4. Ugh! nt
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:33 AM
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5. But I love Cadbury Eggs. :'(
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 06:34 AM by vanderRock
:cry:

Edit: Okay, I don't live in Asia of Australia. :)
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progressivemom Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:57 AM
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36. Cadbury Eggs are the best part of spring! :)
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:40 AM
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6. Off-shoring. What a great idea!!! Lax or no regulation!!! PROFITS!!!!!
By cracky, nothing is going to stop Globalization. It's time we embrace it.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:47 AM
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7. Why do we purchase any food products from China?
There have been so many problems with food coming from China. Second, this food is one commodity that there is no shortage of in this country.
It makes no fucking sense how companies have outsourced this and we have lost any safety we thought we had gained through government inspections and laws.

Thanks again to the bu$h regime for allowing the American people to the loss of safety.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:56 AM
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9. What will we tell the children?
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livelongandprosper Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:01 AM
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10. Why the fuck does anyone buy any food product from China?
Can't we learn from anything?

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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:25 AM
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20. Why not? If you are a greedy CEO, and know your children aren't eating those cookies.
profit is only what you care about
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:18 AM
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23. Where would you suggest the Chinese buy their food? n/t
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:14 AM
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11. I can say first hand without a doubt...
Oreos sold in the USA are made in the USA.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:17 AM
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12. Are any of their ingredients imported? nt
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:36 AM
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15. That would not be listed. We know chocolate is imported as is vanilla, so who's to say
about the other ingredients?
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:42 AM
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17. Not from China....
...and not many, if at all in Oreos. Trust me, nobody wants to pay freight to ship something from overseas if it can be bought within the country. Not because of some need to buy american, but because the savings on imports don't outweigh the shipping/freight costs in today's market.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:00 AM
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26. Of mostly imported contented, likely...nt
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:50 AM
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35. Actually no.
I'm not going to go into personal details about my background and career but let's just say I know unequivically and beyond the shadow of a doubt that the majority (sizable majority) of ingredients in Oreos are not imported. And the few that are, come from European or Scandanavian countries (not China) because that is the only place those are produced (ie. Dutch Cocoa).

There's not much that I request that people defer to my knowledge on, but unless you're the person who held my former job either before or after me (and I know both people and they're NOT on DU) then this is one of the few areas I can claim to know something about.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:28 PM
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41. Cacao is primarily grown in Africa, Asia, and Central/South America. Not Holland.
The cacao may be processed in the Netherlands, but this just tends to reinforce the point that country of assembly doesn't really reflect the origin of the ingredients.

"There's not much that I request that people defer to my knowledge on, but unless you're the person who held my former job either before or after me (and I know both people and they're NOT on DU) then this is one of the few areas I can claim to know something about."



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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:22 AM
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43. But that's the same for every company..
Any company that has any chocolate in any of their products. So if what you're advocating is a boycott of chocolate because it's grown in those countries, then go right ahead. Power to the people. I'll back that.

But the fact is that I was literally the person who purchased ingredients for, reviewed specifications for, reviewed quality information for the production of Oreos.

I'm not saying any company (especially this one) is perfect, but there are just more accurate axes to grind than this because the fact is that ALL of them produced for the US are produced IN the US, and other than ingredients not grown here at all, most everything used is domestic.

So yeah, if you only buy organic, homegrown, locally grown food then I applaud you and you should keep advocating for that. But if not and you're trying to pin down the most egregious offenders, then on this particular example you're shouting at windmills.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:24 AM
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13. Many American flags are made in China, so what the hell.
Wouldn't be surprised if they start spontaneously bursting into flames.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:27 AM
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14. It's possible that China makes Oreos etc for the Asian market.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:43 PM
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42. Oreos are made differently for the China market
Kraft Reformulates Oreo, Scores in China
By JULIE JARGON
May 1, 2008

Unlike its iconic American counterpart, the Oreo sold in China is frequently long, thin, four-layered and coated in chocolate. But both kinds of cookies have one important thing in common: They are now best sellers.

The Oreo has long been the top-selling cookie in the U.S. market. But Kraft Foods Inc. had to reinvent the Oreo to make it sell well in the world's most populous nation. While Chinese Oreo sales represent a tiny fraction of Kraft's $37.2 billion in annual revenue, the cookie's journey in China exemplifies the kind of entrepreneurial transformation that Chief Executive Irene Rosenfeld is trying to spread throughout the food giant.

<snip>
So in China in 2006 Kraft remade the Oreo itself, introducing for the first time an Oreo that looked almost nothing like the original. The new Chinese Oreo consisted of four layers of crispy wafer filled with vanilla and chocolate cream, coated in chocolate. Kraft developed a proprietary handling process to ensure that the chocolate product could be shipped across the country, withstanding the cold climate in the north and the hot, humid weather in the south, yet still be ready to melt in the mouth.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120958152962857053.html


And by the way, the Cadbury products that tested with melamine are only in certain markets:


British candy maker Cadbury pulls chocolates made in China after tests find melamine
By MIN LEE, Associated Press Writer
5:27 PM PDT, September 29, 2008
<snip>
Another official reached through the company's London office said there was no way the contaminated chocolate could find its way into other countries because the Chinese factory only supplies Australia, Taiwan, Nauru, Hong Kong and Christmas Island.

"That factory in Beijing only exports to those markets. It's only a small factory," said the official. He said Chinese production makes up only 0.5 percent of Cadbury's global sales, and the recalled items are "less than that because it's only chocolate."

The recalled products included Cadbury Dark Chocette, Cadbury Eclairs, Cadbury Dairy Milk Chocolate, Cadbury Dairy Milk Hazelnut Chocolate, Cadbury Dairy Milk Cookies Chocolate and Cadbury Hazelnut Praline Chocolate.

In the United States, Hershey's spokesman Kirk Saville said the Cadbury distributor "has never purchased milk, including powdered milk, from China," and that he was "positive" no Hershey's suppliers receive milk products from the country.

<snip>

Manufacturers Kraft and Mars questioned the findings.

"We don't use any milk ingredients from China in any Oreo products, no matter where they are made or sold," said Kraft spokeswoman Claire Regan.

Tod Gimbel, Kraft's director of corporate affairs for the Asia Pacific, said the company "was trying to understand what methodology was used" in Indonesia's testing.

Mars, in a statement on its Web site, called the Indonesian results "completely inconsistent" with test findings from other government and independent labs in Asia and Europe.

"The vastly different results give Mars significant reason to question the validity of the Indonesian laboratory results," the company said.

http://www.latimes.com/business/nationworld/wire/ats-ap-as-china-tainted-milksep29,1,1847835,full.story
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:41 AM
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16. Just in time for Halloween
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:48 AM
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19. On the news report I heard they said that
this affected the Cadbury products that were for sales in foreign countries. I understood that to be not here. But who knows?

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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:23 AM
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21. At least durring the
Great Depression we had a manufacturing base waiting to be reborn. Now we don't even have that. We don't make anything for ourselves. If we hit the skids, we'll be there a long time.
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OakCliffDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 05:14 AM
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22. So now we can be poisoned by Chinese Oreos. n/t
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:21 AM
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24. I don't know how China thinks that they can get away with this sh!t!
Don't the dumb bastids know that Sara Palin is on the other side of the ocean in Alaska, keeping an eye on their red asses 24/7?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:59 AM
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25. Read the article carefully before jumping to conclusions
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 07:02 AM by DainBramaged
Nabisco claims NEVER to have bought milk or milk products from China, and we all know Indonesia is as anti-American as it gets. (Next time include more than one paragraph just for the effect).

They said they were looking into all possibilities, including counterfeiting.

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:01 AM
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28. What conclusions? If Nabisco is selling poisoned cookies, I'd like to stop buying Nabisco stuff.
Telling me "they're only poisoning their ASIAN customers right now!" doesn't make me feel a whole lot better. :shrug:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:03 AM
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29. Are you that gullible? Or just misinformed?
READ or actually, never mind, believe EVERYTHING there is to believe from one sentence posted here.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:04 AM
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30. I read it; I take no comfort in the "Nabisco is only poisoning their FOREIGN customers!" line. nt
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:04 AM
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31. Know what, it's too early to debate 'stoopid', goodbye.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:07 AM
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32. LOL. It's just a LITTLE poison. Don't be so "stoopid" (sic) ! nt
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:07 AM
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33. It's no wonder we're all paranoid when it comes to stories like this.
I personally know someone who had 2 of her cats die from tainted cat food made with gluten from China.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 07:09 AM
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34. Give people facts instead of making Nabisco look like the bad guys here
Edited on Tue Sep-30-08 07:10 AM by DainBramaged
I guess you have nothing better to do this morning.:eyes:

The article title is

Melamine scandal hits candy makers

the Oreo comment is virtually an afterthought.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 09:59 AM
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37. Those are for chinese markets.. HOWEVER Fig Newtons are made in Mexico.
And those are the ones that are shipped here for us to eat. Mexico and China do not have the health standards in food prep that the US does. I will never buy another Fig Newton again.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:07 AM
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38. That's why you should eat these...


Trader Joe's does NOT import from China

They come in other flavors

And they don't taste like they've been in a warehouse for a year
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 06:24 PM
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40. The choclate wafers are great but ...I just love that creamy melamine center!
:rofl:
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