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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 10:37 PM
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Did you ever sell potato chips door to door?
Two Americas suggested that I start a new thread with this post. I think highly of Two Americans, so I decided to do it. I was responding to this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4109518

It is a good way to learn about supply and demand.

The supply side economists, investment managers and managers of multi-billionaire companies like the jet set author of all this information should all be fired and forced to sell potato chips door to door until they understand that the reason that ordinary Americans don't want their plans and promises is that ordinary Americans can't afford them.

A couple of years of selling potato chips door to door and the managers on Wall Street would soon realize that instead of rescuing hedge fund managers and investment bankers, Congress needs to give the liquidity to middle class Americans in the form of investment here in the U.S. in real jobs with decent wages, not just service sector make believe jobs. When ordinary people earn enough money to buy their kids school clothes, pay their mortgages and retire in peace, the economy on Wall Street will take care of itself.

Let's get back down to earth here. This problem started because people's wages were not high enough to pay their mortgages. It's not because the people were members of minorities. It's because they were poor, and they were poor not because they were unwilling to work, but because they could not get jobs that pay enough to live normal middle-class lives. America just does not have enough of those kinds of jobs any more.

This all started with Reaganomics. And until people like the guy that wrote these comments understand and admit publicly and loudly that Reagonomics is wrong, the problem will just get worse.

Remember the S&L crisis? Same scenario. Same emergency bail-out. This is the sequel. And it's even worse than the first time around. Just wait till next time if you think this is bad.

The guy who wrote the article in the OP fails to ask: What if this plan whatever it is called does not work? (And I don't think it will work in the long run.) What do we do then?

I get the feeling that guys like him are clutching at the idea of a plan, some magic wand kind of plan to add liquidity because they are scared of being poor like the rest of the country. They remind me of the alcoholic standing outside the bar begging for a dime to buy another beer. Their problem is their addiction, not the lack of a dime. Lack of liquidity in banks and investment is a symptom, not the problem itself.

The real problem is that the good American jobs have been outsourced. McCain and Obama are right when they praise the work ethic and productivity of American workers. But what good is all that virtue when there are far too few challenging, decent paying jobs. And don't talk about more education. Americans don't know much about geography or history, but they are better educated than their fathers and grandfathers who worked in the great industrial centers of America before the factories were emptied and the equipment shipped to China. (They are a lot better educated than the Chinese children and farmer's daughters who work in Chinese factories.)

I remember watching C-Span in the fall of 1985. Democrats in Congress were arguing against "free trade" with other countries. One of them predicted that if we entered into "free trade" agreements, the only work left for Americans would be selling hamburgers to each other. Well, that's all that's left folks unless you want to count the jobs unloading the Chinese imports and trucking them to Walmarts and Targets across the country.

Before the wave of sub-prime mortgage foreclosures, the best jobs for regular people were in the construction trades. Those jobs are now gone. The end of the housing boom also means a decrease in the sale of home furnishings and all the things that go with moving into new houses (granted all made in third world countries).

If the economy is to recover, people have to have jobs that pay well. We need a plan that revives American industry, American jobs, the American middle class. The Paulson bail-out even after congressional tweaking will not achieve those goals. Just watch, as soon as the American people rescue the banks and investment houses, the banks and investment houses will transfer the money overseas and outsource even more of our economy.

Americans will be left with huge bills to pay and no income with which to pay them.

This bail-out is like a huge consolidation loan. It will relieve the pain short-term but we will soon discover that our misery has only been delayed and prolonged. This hastily crafted consolidation loan will tie our hands. It's no recovery plan. It's the Enslave Middle Class Americans plan.

Watch taxes go up and wages (adjusted for inflation) go down with this "plan."

We need a plan to recover good jobs for middle class Americans, and not another dime for Wall Street. Give Americans good jobs and Wall Street will be fine.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 10:40 PM
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1. Damn straight! Excellent post!
I totally agree, thank you for saying it so well.

Rec'd,
sw
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 10:43 PM
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2. Whenever people opened their door... I got Ruffled.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 12:16 PM
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9. I got LAYed!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 10:44 PM
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3. It potato suppliers and chip producers
are behind the scenes manipulating everything related to the potato chip market, creating false value in potato chips and a potato chip bubble -- then the middle class economy has nothing to do with the price of potato chips or the pop of the potato chip bubble. You could give working people all the money in the world, and if they decided they had come to their senses about the true value of potato chips and just weren't going to buy them anymore -- then their money would never do anything to improve the potato chip economy. Now it's easy enough to say let the potato chip market crash -- unless potato chips are the currency with which everybody does business.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:30 PM
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7. Perfect!
:applause:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 04:04 AM
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8. My point is that middle class Americans cannot pay more money
for houses, cars, etc. than they earn. If wages are stagnant, then consumption by middle class Americans will eventually also stagnate.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 10:53 PM
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4. Americans need jobs, decent wages, and leadership for the people...
We have just the opposite right now... Any real suggestions on how to get our country back?
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 10:53 PM
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5. I am so glad you posted this. NO ONE is talking about this basic fact...wages are down
people can't afford to live.

Welcome to the Republican/Libertarian wet dream-o-rama.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:26 PM
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6. This thread makes me hungry
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 12:19 PM
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10. "Give Americans good jobs and Wall Street will be fine."
That's how Bill Clinton did it.
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 12:31 PM
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11. Great Post.
Strange things that I have heard Republicans Say:

1. People are poor because they are lazy.

I am currently poorer because everything is more expensive, and there is less demand for my Electrical Work, and I had to lower my prices by 15%, finally, I work about 63 Hours every week and help raise my 14 year old son. FU you Fu%#ing Turds for saying I am lazy. Also, my neighbor, who is struggling works 70 Hours a week. Once again FU.

2. People are poor because they did not make better decisions.

Interesting, when 5 out of 6 wealthy people inherited their wealth, always had the advice of experts, and the assistence of greater opportunity for these people to say this.

3. The people who are defaulting on those mortgages should have never gotten those loans.

Like a buyer beware attitude. Is it not the seller of the mortgage that has to determine the credit worthiness of the borrower? And is it not the case that many people had their middle class job shipped off to India, or somewhere else, or had a medical problem that cut into the defaulters money?

4. Of course my favorite-The Free Market is the way that markets should work, and that it always will correct itself.

This one is like saying G-d is the Free Market, making sure that justice triumphs. Healthy governmental regulation is not the enemy: Shortsightedness, Greed, and laziness on the part of our Federal Government are.
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