Muslim Children Gassed at Dayton Mosque After "Obsession" DVD Hits Ohio

[kpete]

Muslim Children Gassed at Dayton Mosque After "Obsession" DVD Hits Ohio
by Chris Rodda
Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 05:32:40 PM PDT

On Friday, September 26, the end of a week in which thousands of copies of Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West -- the fear-mongering, anti-Muslim documentary being distributed by the millions in swing states via DVDs inserted in major newspapers and through the U.S. mail -- were distributed by mail in Ohio, a "chemical irritant" was sprayed through a window of the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton, where 300 people were gathered for a Ramadan prayer service. The room that the chemical was sprayed into was the room where babies and children were being kept while their mothers were engaged in prayers. This, apparently, is what the scare tactic political campaigning of John McCain's supporters has led to -- Americans perpetrating a terrorist attack against innocent children on American soil.


I read the story as reported by the Dayton Daily News, http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/27/ddn092608evacweb.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=16 but this was after I had received an email written by a friend of some of the victims of these American terrorists. The matter of fact news report in the Dayton paper didn't come close to conveying the horrific impact of this unthinkable act like the email I had just read, so I asked the email's author for permission to share what they had written. The author was with one of the families from the mosque -- a mother and two of the small children who were in the room that was gassed -- the day after the attack occurred.

"She told me that the gas was sprayed into the room where the babies and children were being kept while their mothers prayed together their Ramadan prayers. Panicked mothers ran for their babies, crying for their children so they could flee from the gas that was burning their eyes and throats and lungs. She grabbed her youngest in her arms and grabbed the hand of her other daughter, moving with the others to exit the building and the irritating substance there.

"The paramedic said the young one was in shock, and gave her oxygen to help her breathe. The child couldn't stop sobbing.

"This didn't happen in some far away place -- but right here in Dayton, and to my friends. Many of the Iraqi refugees were praying together at the Mosque Friday evening. People that I know and love.

"I am hurt and angry. I tell her this is NOT America. She tells me this is not Heaven or Hell -- there are good and bad people everywhere.

more of this disturbing story at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/28/203016/697/536/613742

[rockymountaindem]

1. Despicable n/t

[HowHasItComeToThis]

85. REPUBLICANS DON'T CARE WHO IS HURT DURING THEIR LUST FOR POWER

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Xenotime]

319. True. I hope whoever did this is found.

[billyoc]

2. This episode of American Sectarian Violence brought to you by George W. Bush.

I dream of seeing Bush, et al, being brought to justice.

[tblue]

9. That's how I see it.

[Dragonfli]

20. I Agree - Someday I hope this will be fact....

[Name removed]

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[GTurck]

144. Don't throw the baby...

out with the bathwater. There are all sorts of police and most are in a dangerous and thankless job. Most police are not evil or even political but they are often throttled by their superintendents and police boards.
We do need police but we need for them to know that we won't tolerate poor police work or poor citizenship.
But your statement is so broad that you are painting all people in this job as corrupt power-seekers and that is unfair.

[SharonAnn]

261. Back in the late 1980's the Dayton police were every racist. I worked with them for

several years as an equipment installer. It was really hard to cope withy their racism (and sexism). Because I was around all the time, they forgot that I wasn't part of the "good old boys" and talked openly around me.

I have no idea if that's still true. Hopefully, things have changed a lot in 20 years.

[qanda]

4. WHAT?????!!!!!!

I had not heard one word about this. This is terrible.

[UK populist]

113. I tried to post a question on yahoo answers about it but they censored it

If yahoo answers is censoring this question and a link to the story then what hope is there that the national media will take it up.


AMERICA DOES THIS MAKE YOU PROUD ?
To all right wing Americans. Can you read this news event and still say you are proud of what your nation has become.

[timtom]

205. Yes, they can!!

I recently had a discussion in a supermarket with a woman who claimed to have been a registered Democrat and had voted for Bush twice!! And she was unrepentent. And, get this: She invoked the failure of the Democratic party based on the Mariel boatlift!!!

Based upon the profound nature of her total disconnect, I'd have to say yes to your question.

[truedelphi]

234. My husband gets so very mad about Yahoo -

To enter the emaol service, they have little hedlines about the day's news

very prejudicial, very slanted.

If McCain loes the debate, the headline might be: Woman McCain supporter meets her hero - John, the heroic War Veteran

They slant everything.

Really corrupt organization

[UndertheOcean]

5. Very Disturbing story indeed ..

Hope they catch the perpetrators

[tblue]

6. Unfuckingbelievable.

I am so pissed I don't know what to say.

[roseBudd]

7. That piece of crap came to my house via mail 3 days ago

[ColbertWatcher]

In the mail?

I thought they came in the newspapers?

Do you remember who sent it to you?

[MadrasT]

42. I got it in the mail AND in the paper. n/t

[PatrynXX]

74. yep got one

Not sure which paper. Mom was wondering what the heck it was. Then we found out several days ago.

Probably a good reason to keep this quiet. If a huge fluff was raised about it, the Iraqi government would learn about it and perhaps turn on us. Was afraid this might happen. The core flaw in even arguing Obama is a muslim is that all muslim's are bad. Which is just stupid. Many of our allies are muslim. We sure won't be winning to much if suddenly we become just like Saddam.

:(

[Occulus]

66. I sorted several thousand of them tonight.

I work for USPS, and we had tray after tray after tray of these vile things.

Sorry, people, but I had to sort them properly. Not doing so is worth a felony.

[ColbertWatcher]

70. You didn't happen to catch who's sending them out in the mail?

Talk about a two-fer: they get to send the propaganda out and they get to cage votes!

[lib2DaBone]

139. They are beiong sent out by a group called "The Clarion Fund"

I didn't google it.. but I'm sure the NeoCons are involved.. David Horowitz, etc. I got one in the mail I was very offended. They were asking me for a $5000 donation. ROFL....... I can't imagine what it must have cost the Republicans to mail out millions of these DVD's. They also had them inserted in the Sunday Newspapers in most major cities. Big time propaganda to keep the 'terra going.

[ContinentalOp]

81. Oh man, that can't be fun.

It sucks that you're in that position. :(

Thanks for your hard work sorting all of the good mail though :toast:

[wolfgangmo]

302. I agree

USPS rocks.

42 cents and your letter gets there within days. I have lived all over the place overseas. It is really good here.

[CrispyQ]

183. I got one in the mail the other day. I hadn't heard of it,

but when I saw "Radical Islam's War Against the West" on the outside jacket I threw the DVD in the trash & tossed the jacket in the recycle bin. What I got is a special pre-release one hour edition.

It's from The Clarion Fund, 255 W. 36th Street, Suite 800, New York, NY 10018. Telephone: [phone]

Inside the jacket: The Clarion Fund is an independent, non-profit, non-partisan organization devoted to educating the public about national security issues.

"Obsession is a film about the threat of Radical Islam to Western Civilization. Using unique footage from Arab television, it reveals an 'insider's view' of the hatred the Radicals are teaching, their incitement of global jihad, and their goal of world domination. The film also traces the parallels between the Nazi movement of World War II, the Radicals of today, and the Western world's response to both threats."

When are they going to release a similar film about the hate filled fundamentalist zealots in our own country? You know, the ones that want to kill gays, convert Jews, keep women in their place & are trying to bring about Armageddon. They could start with the wacko who is dangerously close to the highest office of our land.

Regarding the OP, I'm sick. Absolutely sick that there human beings who could perpetrate such a heinous act.

Are we ever going to evolve beyond savage?

[Joanne98]

194. The American Taliban was probably who sent out the video.

[Maraya1969]

115. I got one too. It's sitting in the recycling bin right now

[CrispyQ]

186. I pulled mine out.

I took a razor blade & cut deep groves into the DVD so it's not watchable. I'm going to mail it back with a scathing letter.

[PatGund]

225. Better Yet

3-5 seconds in a microwave will work as well. Stop the microwave the second the platter sparks.

Makes a pretty pattern as well.

[wolfgangmo]

303. Send it to a the postal inspectors service

If a muslim sent this in claiming that it was hate mail they would have to investigate at least.

If enough people send it in, while CCing their senators, congress reps and other critters, then maybe something would be done.

[Maraya1969]

336. I wonder if it is illegal to send a dead fish in a plastic bag through the mail.

Because that is what comes to my mind when thinking of sending the cd back.......sort of like "Fisher's of men"

[Zuiderelle]

121. It came by mail to me as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4086388#4086491

[ColbertWatcher]

8. No hate like GOP hate. n/t

[maddezmom]

10. very disturbing

:(

[melody]

11. This is utterly abominable

No other words for it ... just none.

[lostnotforgotten]

12. What More Would One Expect From The Freeper Republican Class

eom

[Kerrytravelers]

13. This is just disgusting. Disgusting.

[liberalmuse]

14. I'm seething.

I'm going to fucking blow. This is too much asshole overload for one day. I'm so fucking sick of Republican Nazi's. Yes, Nazi's. Nazi's gassed women and babies. I want someone to sue the fucks responsible for sending out these heinous DVD's. Sue the papers for carrying this shit. GodDAMMIT!!! This is absolutely heinous, and someone needs to answer for this atrocity.

:mad: :nuke: :mad: :nuke: :mad: :nuke:

[left is right]

15. I guess the perpetrators think it takes a really brave person

to attack children and babies. This is as despicable as anything that I have heard in a long time

[MichaelHarris]

16. I saw this

happen at a Family Planning Clinic when I was with Environmental Health and Safety at the University of Texas Medical School. We never caught them but they used the air intakes for the building. People got real sick and it cost the University a fortune.

[K Gardner]

17. My heart lurched when I read the title. I thought it was surely sick satire, but it wouldnt be like

KPete to post something like that. I was afraid to open it.

Now, I'm sorry that I did.

I read this, and must by necessity put on my tinfoil hat once again. I don't even want to verbalize what I'm thinking. I cannot.

Truly disturbing.

[sandnsea]

18. What major newspaper's are distributing that

Any national chains? I think they don't distribute that stuff in blue states because I've never seen any of this kind of garbage. If any local papers have affiliates in other states doing this, I want to know.

[JBear]

25. We got it in Raleigh...

McClatchy distributed the DVD, but also ran a front page story on who funded it, why it was there and basically why you should just toss it in the bin. Essentially they said the money was the driver, but they could at least expose who funded it and the slant it carried.

My question is why this did not make the national news...why am I first hearing about this on DU??

:bounce:

[PufPuf23]

88. Could you post a link to the McClatchy story please? nt

[WorseBeforeBetter]

180. Here...

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/1217021.html

[WorseBeforeBetter]

179. Huh, you're right -- September 13th edition.

I get only Sunday delivery and completely missed this.

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/1217021.html

Just stick to the Multi-Grain Cheerios, McClatchy.

[uncle ray]

38. they are also being distributed by mail.

both me and my girlfriend got the DVD mailed to our house.

[sandnsea]

40. I don't know what federal law is

Maybe since it incited a terrorist attack, we can insist they arrest the offending group as collaborating with terrorists.

[Cid_B]

71. If they don't know who did it...

.. how do they know the DVD was the catalyst. A horrible act but is there a proven link? Its early maybe I missed it in the article.:shrug:

[pokercat999]

96. Hmmmm, you go to bed and the ground is dry, you wake in

the morning and there's three inches of snow on the ground. It's certain to say it snowed while you slept. Same thing here, people worship in peace, DVD gets distributed, people get gassed while at worship services. Sure looks like cause and effect to me.

[lib2DaBone]

163. You know.. ...you have a good point there!

If you send literature thru the Federal Mail that incites riot and hate and causes bodily injury... aren't they guilty of 'Domestic Terrosism? (violating the Same Patriot Act Laws that they created) I think they should arrest themselves.. 'friggin Nazi's...

[wvbygod]

165. Can you prove this DVD incited a spray can irritant attack?

Where is your evidence and proof that the DVD caused someone to use a spray can irritant
on people?

[Tarc]

147. I got one too. Snapped it in half and tossed in the trash

[Quantess]

325. The Oregonian

Sandnsea, I see you also live in Oregon. The DVD came in last Sunday's paper. At least, in the Portland area.

I haven't bothered to watch it. Not sure if will ever waste my time on it, as I'd rather waste my time watching clips of Sarah Palin's interviews.

[malaise]

19. I hope they sue the newspaper

This is a despicable act. I'm betting the perpetrator(s) call themselves christians.

[wvbygod]

166. more christian bashing and yet again no evidence to back it up

It's a repub thing to make accusations with no proof to back it up. Where is yours?

[Bill McBlueState]

202. 77% of Americans call themselves Christians

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions

Odds are, malaise's statement is true.

[wvbygod]

228. The courts, and most of all...Democrats do not use odds to determine guilt.

Seeing so many people here scramble to pass blame without evidence is sickening.

[Bill McBlueState]

255. malaise's statement was about odds, not guilt or innocence

"I'm betting the perpetrator(s) call themselves christians"

All I'm saying is that this is a reasonable bet, given US demographics.

[spoony]

264. It wasn't a statement based on demographics

If you were at all familiar with that poster you'd know it was a statement of condemnation, not odds, not probability. If that were it he'd have said, "I'm betting the perpetrator(s) are right handed."

[martymar64]

273. Glad to see you sticking up for bigot, Falwell.

You whine about Christian bashing , yet it was Muslim babies that got gassed.

Some compassion you got there, Reverend.

[Romulox]

283. Based on that logic, we can just assume all acts of terrorism are perpetrated

by Muslims? :sarcasm: :eyes:

Garbage logic.

[Bill McBlueState]

295. of course not; that would be dumb n/t

[freyjasfan]

226. Christians (Self avowed)

You shall know them by their works. In the U.S. these days, their works are nothing to be pround of. Had some self-avowed Christian guests in my home this summer and they did nothing but spout hate. They are never welcome back. If someone identifies him/herself as "Christian" it only means hatemonger to me. Dreadful people.

[wvbygod]

232. I'm glad you don't attribute all acts of terror by radical Muslims to all of Islam

Hopefully you can confine your hate and bigotry to Christians only. That seems to be the only acceptable notion at this time.

[Quantess]

323. Sorry you feel that way.

And, I'm sorry that good people like you, have to share a religion with judgmental assholes, who are doing their best to ruin our country.

[LeftishBrit]

245. Too bad.

I am a dyed-in-the-wool devout atheist but most of the Christians I know are at least as left-wing as I am, and far from hatemongers.

I think that it's just as unfair to assume that "Christian" means hatemonger as that "Muslim" means terrorism-supporter or that "atheist" means lacking moral principles.

I am sorry that your so-called Christian guests were so nasty!

[pegleg]

290. If this had been a Christian incident many here would have only snickered.

[fascisthunter]

310. that's Fucking BULLSHIT!

Go take your right wing crap elsewhere. No one on DU condones this type of shit on ANYONE. GOT IT!?

[pegleg]

314. I seem to remember some of the remarks when a gunman

opened up on a congregation some time ago, so don't say it's bullshit. I said some - not all.

[LanternWaste]

181. I'm betting they call themselves 'American'. n/t

I'm betting they call themselves 'American'.

[JerseygirlCT]

256. Thank you - exactly. nt

[JerseygirlCT]

257. Thank you - exactly - nt

[TheMadMonk]

291. American: Nothing to be proud of. AT ALL.

Well the evidence that has accumulated over the course of American history strongly suggests America as a whole condones.

Roughly half the voting public can be counted upon to openly vote the hate card. And vote it time and time again, despite any amount of evidence that they are voting against their own personal best interests.

"What of the other half of voters?" you might ask. Well what of them? To keep a significant proportion of these, the "left" itself promotes a kind of "hate light" and the truly progressive are forced to bite their tongues and take what little they can get.

Then there is that huge pool of people who never vote at all. One can only assume they are happy enough with the direction the country is taking, since they do nothing at all to oppose it. Record new voter registrations, despite the also record left leaning bias in their numbers, don't mean much when you consider that they still only represent a small proportion of that non-voting pool.

[Sebastian Doyle]

282. Actually, some of the perpetrators behind this hate campaign call themselves "Jews"

Not that they represent the views of most Jewish Americans by any means. Nor do they represent Christians (as in those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus Christ)

But the "Clarion Fund" and it's affiliated group "Endowment For Middle East Truth" are pretty much extensions of the PNAC/Likud mentality which brought us pretty much everything that's been fucked up about the current decade (Patriot Act, Iraq war, the push to attack Iran, etc.)

http://www.emetonline.org/

[Quantess]

327. they could be Jewish, just as likely.

[shraby]

21. Thanks kpete, I was just going to bring

the story over to du.

[Pisces]

22. How disgusting. Americans show that they can be just as cruel and intolerant as radical muslims.

[DissedByBush]

159. I despise modern-day religious fanatics

Don't let the religious right deny Christian fanatics exist, with the family planning clinic murders and now this.

On the other hand, the inter-religion cruelty is not equal. You know that if the religions had been reversed it would have been a bomb that would have killed all the children. We'd be talking about blood and body parts instead of irritated eyes.

[NOLALady]

175. This isn't the first time that palces of worship have been

targeted by Christians. Have you ever heard of Addie Mae Collins, Denise McNair, Carole Robertson, and Cynthia Wesley? Lots of blood and body parts there.

[DissedByBush]

271. That was a race issue, not a religious issue like this was

We know Christians can do horrible things just like anyone else. But in this modern day Christians are relatively benign in comparison to the Muslims. You brought up a horrific bombing that killed four people. From 2000 to 2007 there were 140 suicide bombings in Israel. Most of them targeted civilians. They killed 542 people, mostly civilians. This does not count the numerous rocket attacks that targeted Israeli civilians.

The fanatics on both sides are evil, but there is simply no comparison of the degree and scale of their evil.

[wolfgangmo]

306. Two words before you eat yours...

Oklahoma city.

Do you want that salted or unsalted?

[DissedByBush]

318. Salt, please

For you.

There's a difference between someone crazy who just happens to be of a particular religion and someone doing something under the commandment and/or sanction of his religion (at least the interpretation he's gotten) against those of another religion. The bombings of civilians in Israel qualify, 9/11 qualifies, OKC doesn't. You have to go pretty far back in Christianity to see widespread barbarity in the name of Christianity against those of other religions that is up to the level of modern-day Muslim barbarity.

[wvbygod]

169. You have proof an American citizen did this?

Please post the arrest docs or some other evidence to back it up.

[hobbit709]

185. Since it happened in Dayton, OHIO I'd say

the odds favor domestic rw-fundy terrorists.

[frylock]

197. were the poster pimping that dvd hard last week?

you sure are inquisitive. what proof do we have that this even happened, right?

[wvbygod]

200. No. Try reading for comprehension. One more time....

The DVD was propaganda.
The DVD shows what radical Islam can and does do.

Many here claim the DVD was anti-Muslim.
My ONLY QUESTION was: What is Anti-Muslim about the DVD?

I agree with it being propaganda and the folks that distribute it being wingers.

Now, can you tell me what was anti-Muslim about the DVD or are you going to get off subject too?

[Hekate]

272. Having read your contributions to the other thread, I'd like to reverse the question...

... since you keep asking it over and over and over.

You have acknowledged above that "The DVD was propaganda." Propaganda by its very nature operates as a one-sided mechanism to sway public opinion, using varying forms of media (music, visuals, words) to caricature opponents and create hate.

My question to you: Without using the words "fair and balanced", could you please explain to us how this DVD is evenhanded in its portrayal of Muslim people and the Islamic religion, and how it leads the viewer to an appreciation of the complexity of Islamic peoples worldwide, and thus how a radical fringe group is not the whole, but only a fringe?

Hekate


The "other thread"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4086388#4086416

[wvbygod]

279. It is only the fringe of any group that cause the problems

My observation of this propaganda DVD finds that it speaks to the fringe elements of Islam.

It is a very obvious propaganda film but I can't see where they bash those that do not create terror.

[Hekate]

281. I was hoping for more specifics from you, since you want specifics from others.

Any ideas?

Hekate

[wolfgangmo]

307. re: post 200

One of the basic BS tricks in debate, used when you know that you have nothing left, is to restate the last thing your opponent said, or the basic premise of the argument and then throw it back at your opponent with the challenge to "prove it."

Complete BS as any first year debater knows.

Your argument is BS and the sad thing is that you probably don't even know it.

[regnaD kciN]

331. You just claimed...

...that the demand that your opponent "prove" his or her most recent statement is a sign of a losing argument.

Prove it!

[jkshaw]

23. This needs to get more visibility

I'm going to send it to Countdown. These people need to be shown up for who they are -- rabble.

[itsrobert]

24. Why isn't the FBI involved?

Sounds like a terrorist attack.

[tblue]

27. This IS a terrorist attack. Thanks Bush/McCain for 'keeping us safe'!

[intheflow]

37. It was a terrorist attack.

And the DVD mailing should be investigated as an attempt to incite terrorism and/or race riots.

[windbreeze]

162. Hang on just a second...

yes, I consider this an act of terror also...so then let's ask ourselves who benefits from doing such a dastardly thing...doesn't someone have it arranged, so that IF there's another "terrorist attack" in/on this country, that martial law can be declared??....I don't recall there being any description of who the terrorists had to be, or who/what the target had to be or how big, or how much damage it had to cause....I AM outraged, and now that I read all these posts calling this a "terrorist attack", I wonder WHAT the real purpose is behind this....maybe it's not as simple as we think...and has a far reaching consequence intended....wb

[intheflow]

215. I actually tend to think this was probably a couple of stupid locals.

That's who usually does this kind of shit: the Tennessee Unitarian Church murders a couple months back, Columbine High School, Timothy McVeigh... I mean, it could have been some white supremacist group organized it, but the timing coming so soon after the DVD mailing I think points a good ol' boy or two taking a break from watching Hannity and drinking Buds to "git themselves some ragheads." :grr:

Though I wouldn't put it past our current leaders to stage an attack in order to justify imposing Marshall Law (and perhaps canceling the election until it's "safe" again), I don't think they'd try to incite anything by targeting a mosque. Much more likely would be to stage a string of church bombings since so many Christians could then be terrified about being persecuted and would therefore consent to being in lock-down mode. Sadly, not so many Americans will be incensed (or even interested) enough by this act toward Muslims to create the panic and fear needed by BushCo. to impose marshall law. Seriously, if you're going to MIHOP an event for a coup, you want to make sure you've hit a damn sympathetic target on a much larger scale.




Edited because spellcheck is my friend.

[windbreeze]

219. basically

I think you are probably right...my problem is...I put nothing past anyone..right now, this IS an isolated incident..only time will tell if it becomes other than what it is, right now...it is still horrendous, and I feel personally ashamed of whatever intent was behind it...whether it happened because of the DVD or something else...why can't people see that by doing shit like this, it becomes evident that we become what we dislike the most about others...wb

[intheflow]

224. Because these people have no empathy with people that

are not like themselves. You can't see yourself becoming like the people you hate if you see yourself as a different species from those people. :(

[TheMadMonk]

293. You quite probably are right. However, other scenarios can not be ruled out.

There is some small, but non-zero chance that this is an attempt to goad certain elements of the Islamic community into retaliatory action, which itself would provide the excuse for a HLS crackdown. (I refuse to call it marshal law, because the law has absolutely nothing to do with it.)

[progressivebydesign]

243. and if this was perpetrated against a christian church it would be on Headline News. n/t

[Greg K]

26. disgusting in the extreme. nt

[Jamastiene]

28. Oh. My. God.

I cannot believe the hatred some people have. That is one of the shittiest things I have ever heard of someone doing, possibly in my entire lifetime. Anyone who would attack children that way should be charged with every single law ever written, especially the laws to protect children from violence. Atrocious!

[GreenPartyVoter]

29. WTH?!

[stillcool]

30. I just finished reading the diary..

and sending out emails. I feel so sick, like we are beyond help in this country.

[earth mom]

31. Done no doubt by "christians" who aren't really christians at all. WWJD?

:grr:

[lynnertic]

140. What did Kucinich have to say about this (WWDD)? Is it his district?

[wvbygod]

171. No doubt? How judicial of you. Got any proof?

Please post your evidence of Christian involvement in this.

[earth mom]

236. Ask Sarah Palin. She's one of the fundies jonesing for a holy war in the middle east.

Or try Hagee, Pat Robertson or any of those evil fundie bastards who want to see Muslims wiped off the face of the earth. :grr:

[wvbygod]

239. If they posted their bigotted crap here I would

But you knew that.

[earth mom]

249. How do I know that? And what's your point here?

Are you saying it's bigotted to say christians are behind it?

Because who the hell else COULD be behind this kind of atrocity but fundie nutcases?

Anyone who doesn't know that hasn't been paying attention to the what the fundie nutcases have been saying and doing since * took office.

[wvbygod]

251. bigotry works in all directions

Who else? Punk ass kids maybe?

Can you give me a link to where fundies have been saying they are going to teargas peaceful Ramadan ceremonies? Some links to their actions against peaceful Muslims would be good too.
Thanks!

[earth mom]

253. Why don't YOU ask Sarah Palin about her plans for a holy war in the middle east? nt

[Joanne98]

195. They're my first suspects.

Just look for the most right-wing church within five square miles and you got your terrorists.

[Bill McBlueState]

203. what religion do you think the perpetrators are,

if not Christian?

[New Dawn]

32. Fascism on the march.

[firedupdem]

33. This is what happens when people teach hate! I wouldn't care

what religion someone practiced! They are human beings! How can people be cruel like this? OMG.. I am sick. Wow...really horrible.

[Name removed]

34. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jrockford]

35. Where's the DHS on this one? nt

[intheflow]

36. Fucking American terrorists.

These are Iraqi refugees, you know, they're the people we went over to liberate and spread democracy in an illegal war that these same terrorists no doubt supported 100-fold. It's possible these are "good Christians," the first people to cry religious persecution if they can't pray over the loudspeaker at football games. This makes me sick.

[peacetalksforall]

39. I've been feeling so blue about the loss of my country. So many losses.

This one is hard to take and now this news.

Keep this in mind. George Bush and Dick Cheney hold hands with with the family of Saud and Emirs, Sheikhs, Presidents, and military leaders of Moslem countries while operatives within the RNC coordinate the spread of hate secure support and votes for perpetual war - especially effective with their already bigoted religious contingent of loyal voters (that 30%) that we always see in the polls.

A despicable act.

Our babies and children.

[elshiva]

41. ......

:cry: :cry:

[hootinholler]

43. Does that DVD now rise to the level of incitement?

Who paid for its distribution?

BASTARDS!

-HOot

[moonbatmax]

54. I Got Some Information For You Here

This is off the mailer:

The Clarion Fund is an independent, non-profit, non-partisan organization devoted to educating the public about national security issues.

The Clarion Fund
255 W. 36th Street
Suite 800
New York, NY 10018

Tel: [phone]

Have fun!

[Cheap_Trick]

59. "non-partisan" my white, hairy ass

This motherfucking dvd was made specifically to incite the right-wing mouth-breathing, shit-flinging low-brow apes.

The Clarion Fund needs to be held accountable, legally or otherwise.

[wvbygod]

173. You are right.

That is exactly what the DVD was meant to do. Now, what was "anti-muslim" about it?

[Occulus]

68. If the Clarion Fund is nonprofit,

why do the DVD sleeves say "MRP $19.95"?

[gmoney]

316. so if someone steals a stack of them to throw them in the trash

they can say "he destroyed $2000 worth of DVDs" and they can slap a harsher complaint on him

that, and it's probably a write-off tax dodge thing... the "non-profit" pays $15 a disc to have the duplicating done by a company owned by a board member, who would charge anyone else $1 a disc, thus skimming contributions to a "non-profit" entity into private for-profit pockets, probably off the books or under the table even.

[chatnoir]

91. NPR: Clarion Responds, As New Details Emerge About "Radical Islam" DVD

We had a story on the air this morning about the mass distribution of an inflamatory DVD on radical Islam, which critics say is intended to help John McCain's presidential bid. The video documentary was blasted out by the Clarion Fund, an obscure New York-based charity.

Clarion wouldn't return our phone calls before the story aired. But today it hired a PR firm, which quickly issued this statement in response to our story:

The Clarion Fund has one goal: educate the public about the threat of Islamic terrorism. Obsession is the film opponents of free speech don't want you to see. Terrorist attacks don't distinguish between political parties- they kill everyone. America needs to know the truth about the threat without censorship.
Clarion's new voice is Hank Sheinkopf, a long-time Democratic consultant in New York, who worked on President Clinton's re-election campaign. The choice of a Democratic flak is a smart move, since critics have said Clarion is covertly trying to help elect Republican McCain. That kind of active political work would violate its 501(c)(3) charity exemption.

As we reported, one of the promoters of the DVD is Joe Wierzbicki, who is active in two anti-Obama political action committees.

More: http://www.npr.org/blogs/secretmoney/2008/09/new_details_emerge_about_radic.html

[VWolf]

120. Hmmm, well if they're truly non-profit, non-partisan

Then I'm SURE they'll mention this incident in their next video. After all, terrorism is terrorism, regardless of who carries it out.

But I won't get my hopes up.

[ramapo]

134. The things people will do for money

This Sheinkopf guy sounds shameless. Simply disgusting.

[beac]

229. Here is Sheinkopf's contact info:

Sheinkopf Communications
152 Madison Avenue
New York | New York 10016
T. 212.725.2378
[e-mail]


Let's call him and ask how he feels about working for an organization that incites terror.

[Raineyb]

116. Rather shady outfit I have to say

It's early so perhaps I should have waited but you can't seem to get an actual human unless you already know the extension. I tried to get through to general information but got an automated "secretary" aka fancy voicemail for "general information." No name.

I did get a fax number if you'd like to blast them and cost them money for paper.

646-308-1201

Regards

[mopinko]

137. anybody in nyc close enough to have a look at this address?

got the feeling that this is a little, dark, empty place.

[DBoon]

168. google maps and street view?

worth a try

[achtung_circus]

223. Quick and dirty

just past the UPS truck on the right, 8th floor

[Raineyb]

209. Not having gone there

(Not a big fan of needless trips into Manhattan truth be told) but based on the MTA trip planner I'd say it's on 36th and 8th. It's probably an office suite as the area is mostly towers in that area. Could be as small as a single office with multiple phone lines. (Assuming it's not some dude running it from his cell phone) Easily traveled to via the A train.

:shrug:

Regards

[Starry Messenger]

340. Here is the address from Guidestar for the human contact for Clarion Fund:

CLARION FUND INC
270 MADISON AVE FL 9
% ELI D GREENBERG ESQUIRE
NEW YORK , NY 10016 Donate Now

View Beta Report
learn more about Charity Check

GENERAL INFORMATION

* This organization is a 501(c)(3) Public Charity.
* This organization is required to file an IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ.
* Contributions are deductible, as provided by law.


He's using his work address. Here is his professional link:

http://www.whafh.com/modules/attorney/?action=view&id=34

[AlbertCat]

212. Don't miss the Clarion Fund's next release!

Der ewige Jude!

It's a classic!

[Sebastian Doyle]

278. Maybe not?

Same sentiments, to be sure. But not likely targets, since it's a group of Likudists spreading this crap. Led by known genocidal Islamophobic freak wingnut Daniel "Crack" Pipes.

Then again, Pipes is so fucking crazy in his fanaticism that he might even target Jews. At least the ones who don't agree with his paranoid world view. Which would be most of them.

[Starry Messenger]

341. The Third Jihad

http://wearechange.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/the-clarion-funds-next-release-the-third-jihad-more-about-obsession/

October 10th.

[spanone]

44. hate crime....incitement

[yardwork]

45. kicked for media attention - this was a terrorist attack.

[debbierlus]

46. Omg Well, they were fine with killing over there, so why not killing over here

Evil.

Pure evil.

No words.

[Love Bug]

47. "I am hurt and angry. I tell her this is NOT America. ..."

Actually I disagree. This IS America. This is just one more incident in a long history of incidents that involve bigoted assholes committing violence against "the other."

We are getting better, but we have a loooooong way to go.

[Hekate]

48. Instead of flailing, I want to know how we can support this community? How can we come together...

... in a spirit of love and solidarity to help our Muslim neighbors as we would help any others who were the victims of hate crimes in our town?

I am a member of the local Interfaith Alliance, although all I've done for the past year is receive their emails. It must be time to become more active.

I would suggest that for any DUers who belong to a religious group themselves (church, synagogue, or circle, it matters not) that you get busy with your outreach groups. That will help more than this reflexive wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Hekate

[Poseidan]

58. good thinking

Maybe these incidents could be quelled by a joint statement from a broad coalition of different faith's, in the spirit of free religion.

[Withywindle]

75. I'm thinking more of material aid

Help for medical bills for those directly affected (if some of them are refugees, bet they don't have insurance. Hell, even if their families have been here for 50 years there's no guarantee they do). Getting their mosque cleaned up. Private security if the cops won't do it.

An interfaith "statement" would be nice, but I'd be more impressed by local churches forming a physical human chain to protect them. And I know damn well there are Christians who are up to this.

[Solly Mack]

49. I've got so much to say I don't now where to start

Don't know if I'm too sad or too angry to get the words out...

[donheld]

50. These are the stories that make me feel shame

at the behavior of my country's men and women!

[jberryhill]

51. That DVD was IN the Dayton Daily News

But apparently Kyle "no balls" Nagel didn't find that to be newsworthy.

[Miss Chybil]

52. What the hell? Who made this DVD? Who is distributing it?

Now the bigots can't pick on African-Americans with impunity they're going to pick on somebody else they think they can get away with it with. These people make me every kind of sick.

[Baby Snooks]

90. They get away with it with everyone...

Bigotry has come back into vogue among Republicans. Don't like it? Sue
them. Good luck. Most of our courts are filled with Republican judges who are on the benches to serve the agenda rather than the law. And the agenda is to return us to the good old days of separate and unequal.

About the only group protected at this point are Roman Catholics but only because there are five Roman Catholics sitting on the Supreme Court. That doesn't mean the fundamentalists like Roman Catholics. They just tread very softly. And quietly. But everyone else is fair game. And they have revived the Curse of Ham. Very softly. And quietly. But revived it just the same. God cursed Ham. So we should respect God's curse on Ham's descendants.

And obviously the Muslims are Ham's descendants. After all, most are dark-skinned. And that is how one identifies Ham's descendants. The color of their skin.

The fundamentalists rule the Republican Party at this point. And the Republicans don't mind a bit because the fundamentalists know the truth about minorities. And about God's real "chosen people" who are the WASPS. The White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. In time, the Roman Catholics will be gone from the Supreme Court. And only WASPS will be allowed to serve on the Supreme Court. They shouldn't have been allowed to serve to begin with. Neither should the Jews or the African-Americans or the women. In time, the Republicans will win back the Congress and have a veto-proof majority. And then we will see changes. We will see this country return to its "Christian" roots. The WASP roots that is.

The lunacy of the fundamentalists. And of the Republicans.

This will happen more and more. And John McCain will distance himself. While supporting it. Very softly. And very quietly. After all, the bigots will all vote for him. Not that they like him. But they won't vote for Barack Obama. They won't vote for an African-American Muslim who obviously will declare this country an Islamic republic and probably have all the Christians executed. Very sick. All of it.

[Miss Chybil]

263. I believe Obama will win.

Change is coming. It's time. We will find a new bigotry arise - bigotry against bigots!

[WillyT]

53. Check This Out !!!

Obsession Is More Than A Perfume
Reported by Chrish - November 5, 2006 - 362 comments

NOTE: GUEST BLOGGED by Priscilla

<snip>

If it’s Tuesday, it must be election day and with that in mind, Fox News is pulling out the “fright card” to scare its viewers into voting. Along with the ominous specter of Pelosi and Rangel (liberal women and blacks are high on the Fox threat index) we have radical Islam and Fox is making sure you get a “fair and balanced” view of yet another enemy to be scared of. Reported by News Hound Chrish in an earlier thread, Fox is showing the documentary “Obsession, Radical Islam’s War Against the West” four times this pre-election weekend and as my main man, John Kasich, was pre-empted for this – here it is. 11/5/06

The film was hosted by none other than Fox former morning chat show host, E.D. Hill who introduced the segments and interviewed the film’s director Wayne Kopping. After a short film clip of generic Jihadists shouting (translated, of course) “bomb, bomb, USA, Death to America, and Kill the Jews,” E.D. explained that Islamic Radicals are the “new Nazis and they want you dead.” She claimed that Islamic Jihad is the “most deadly threat of our times” and noted that “we here at Fox believe every American should know” about this. (Comment: In a recent British poll, George Bush was second to OBL and ahead of Kim Jong-Il as the person most threatening to world peace.)

The hour-long film was non-stop footage of various jihadist groups making anti-American and anti-Israeli statements. The translations of the jihadists were provided by Middle East Media Research Institute which, according to Source Watch, is connected to Israeli intelligence organizations and Christian evangelicals and is funded in part by the right wing Olin Foundation.

There were several lively “Bush as the Great Satan” music videos included in the relentless exhibition of hateful jihadists and the perfunctory shots of Muslim children, supposedly talking about their future careers as suicide bombers.

Commentary was provided during the film by anti-Islamic “pundits” including the born again, former Muslims Walid Shoebat and Nonie Darwish, popular on such right wing sites as FrontPageMag and pro Israeli sites such as Arabs for Israel. The line up wouldn’t have been complete without Brigitte Gabriel of the American Congress for Truth – an organization that includes neo-con R. James Woolsey on its Board . Naturally, all these folks asserted that radical Islam wants to kill Americans and make Islam the law of the land. (Comment: Don’t the American fundamentalists want to make their brand of Christianity the law of the land?)

There was one pundit whom I had not seen before, Caroline Glick, for the Center for Security Policy, which, according to Source Watch, has close ties to the Bush administration.In detailing the ever-present danger of radical Islam, Ms. Glick said, “every single country in the world is dealing with it.” (Comment: Norway? New Zealand? – Just to name a few of the many where terrorism is not an issue)

E.D.’s interview with the producer, Wayne Kopping, included a question regarding the funding of the movie, to which Kopping responded that it was “completely independent.” (Comment: Kopping is a very devout Jew who has also done a very pro-Israel movie “Relentless.” Shouldn’t E.D.have asked him about his “objectivity” in doing a movie about Islam?) He also noted that this jihadist propaganda is shown almost all the time on Middle Eastern TV.

<snip>

Link: http://www.newshounds.us/2006/11/05/obsession_is_more_than_a_perfume.php

[Imagevision]

57. Also disturbing, the fact the American media have deemed this to be a non-story...?

[The Wielding Truth]

80. From this post,I would say that those families should sue Fox.

[dmr]

288. Are they hiding their financing behind a foundation that no longer exists?

"funded in part by the right wing Olin Foundation" but Google says they closed down in 2005

I wonder what the story is on that. Could they be hiding behind a foundation that no longer exists?

http://www.google.com/search?q=Olin+Foundation&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[MadMaddie]

55. If we use * definition of Terrorism then this would fit the bill

oh wait...that's right it doesn't include the Neocon Christian groups in America does it?

[skyounkin]

56. Whomever did this must be brought to justice!

This is a terrorist incident and needs to be investigated.

[Tutonic]

60. Ohio? Doesn't surprise anybody. More Nazis in Ohio than Frankfurt.

N/T

[and-justice-for-all]

64. Nazism is illegal in Germany.

so, yes. there are more NeoNazis here in the states then in the Germany.

Ich bin Deustcher Amerikaner.

[DFW]

125. There are still a few neo-Nazi groups here in Germany

The main one is called the NPD, but there are still a few hangers on of
a group started by a former SS officer in the 1980s. As the Nazi party is
forbidden here, they had to find themselves another name. They found their
inspiriation in the United States. They call themselves Die Republikaner.

I promise (unfortunately enough) that I am not making this up.

[beac]

244. Disgusting-- and not surprising. Why NOT name yourself after the group that has kept so many of the

Nazis' little tricks and tactics alive?

[DFW]

250. Republicans in the USA always get really defensive when one points this out to them

They immediately accuse whoever mentions it of equating Republicans with Nazis.
Instead of giving them what they want and saying "of course!" my usual response
is "I am not calling you guys Nazis. All I'm saying is that I find it most unfortunate
that a group of neo-Nazis in Germany finds you guys inspiring enough to choose YOUR
name before all others, and if THAT bothers you, maybe it's time to ask why........"

[beac]

268. Well played, DFW, well-played. Too bad most Repukes can't face the truth.

Good on you for trying anyway!

[and-justice-for-all]

292. Die Republikaner? How fitting...LOL

They are a mirror image of the American Republicans, who are not conservative, but Authoritarian. Which, is basically Nazism in a suit.

I know my friend in Frankfurt, who is teaching in Wissen, mentioned once that a couple of people were walking down his street one night chanting Nazi slogans or something to that effect.

[DFW]

334. Here's what Wikipedia says about them (fairly accurate):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Republicans_(Germany)

Too bad OUR Republicans don't get the same percentage of votes as their German namesakes.
The world would be a LOT better off.............

[vanderBeth]

61. This is just terrible.

:cry:

[SeattleGirl]

62. My God! All those little ones!

I am angry and I'm crying at the ugliness of it all.

I know HOW we came to this; so much hatred perpetrated by the real crazies on the right.

My question is, WHY did we come to this?

And HOW could those of us who don't support this kind of hatred have let it get so far as to come to this?

And finally, WHEN is it going to stop? And what are WE going to do to put a stop to it?

[and-justice-for-all]

63. Those sick christofascist fuckers!

I hope the people who made that piece of shit DVD get the fucking asses sued off and put in prison for terrorist activities. That fucking dvd is not different then the Islamofascist videos, Both encourage bigotry and hatred.

[Bigmack]

65. If that shit happens anywhere near here....

my local mosque can count on me as an armed guard. (Ya gotta love that 2nd Amendment)

I'd love to see if the limp-dicks that would put poison in a day-care are bulletproof!

I'm an atheist, but this isn't about religion. It's about terrorism.

[AlbertCat]

230. I'm an atheist, but this isn't about religion.

Yes, it IS about religion. Stop pretending it's not.

[elshiva]

333. Yes, IT IS ABOUT religion.

They were gassed because they were Muslims in Mosque.

[bertman]

67. This is a hate crime and a terrorist act. As such, it falls under the purview of the Feds. I'm sure

the perps will be quickly apprehended, bound and gagged, hooded, and flown to Egypt for interrogation, after which they will be Gitmo'd.

NOT!!

This deserves an organized and devastating response against the outfit that sponsored this. Someone please come up with some ideas so we can jump on these bastards with both feet.

[prolesunited]

69. Now that's irony

In their mind to keep the world "safe from terrorism," they became the terrorists.

[zeek 463]

72. I dont think that took place it's made up new's.

that would have been reported on the new's and there was nothing. I know for sure it would have been reported on democracy now that's independent new's and they report everything that the corporate new's try's to hide. im not buying the story.

[jberryhill]

79. "new's".... "try's"

Were you homeschooled, by any chance?

[Name removed]

321. Deleted message

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[WorseBeforeBetter]

83. And 'were' not buying 'you're' post, Zeek. (n/t)

[Name removed]

320. Deleted message

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[Zuiderelle]

126. Right, the DAYTON DAILY NEWS made it up. Oh and look some other lying "new's" (sic) sources:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/27/ddn092608evacweb.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=16

http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=3242

http://poligazette.com/2008/09/29/mosque-visitors-gassed/

[Name removed]

322. Deleted message

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[regnaD kciN]

328. See ya, zeek...!

:hi:

[JeffR]

329. Well played, sir. Until I saw what he posted here, I was amused.

But he was apparently way worse than I first assumed.

[elshiva]

330. Nice post, Hitler.

:grr: :nuke: :mad: FUCK YOU!

[SweetieD]

73. This makes me so angry!!

[Kiwinet]

76. Very Shameful... :(

[Steelworker In OH]

77. Some info

Someone said the DVD was distributed in the Dayton Daily News, they are owned by Cox Ohio Publishing, that company also publishes about 5 newspapers for small towns in southwestern Ohio. My wife's parents live about 25 miles south of Dayton, and get 2 papers published by them. Write the editors, give them hell for distrubing such hate without review or explination.

-snip from (http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/28/ddn092808islamicweb.html)

"Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West," was a paid advertising insert in the Dayton Daily News, Springfield News-Sun, Hamilton JournalNews and Middletown Journal, all owned by Cox Ohio Publishing, on Monday, Sept. 22. It appeared in more than 70 other newspapers nationwide.

Hope that info helps a little, very sad to hear crap like this happening so close to home.

[NEOhiodemocrat]

118. Oh man

My two oldest sons live in Hamilton and get the Hamilton Journal and my one daughter lives in Springfield. I will have to talk to them and see if they got it. This is just the most sickening thing I have heard in a while, and it takes something pretty bad to top what has been going on here in the USA lately. We have become the terrorists.

[lynnertic]

141. "Paid advertising insert" do I remember how blackboxvoting couldn't buy ads?

Remember 2004? Was it blackboxvoting or was that MoveOn that couldn't buy newspaper ads?

just asking.

[Imagevision]

211. K&R!

[jillan]

78. This story has got to get out into the msm. Keith? Rachel?

I am sitting here with tears running down.

unbelievable :(

[Undercurrent]

82. OMG!

This news is like getting punched in the gut. It brings back a 45 year old horror when four little black girls were murdered in the Birmingham church bombing in 1963.

This is really disturbing, and sad.

[greenmutha]

84. OMG!

I'm totally sick to my stomach now... those poor children! :cry:

[buddysmellgood]

86. Bush let's terrorists attack on U.S. soil once again.

This is horrific. If this does not make the front page of every paper tomorrow....

[DUlover2909]

87. This is freaking ridiculous!

F'ing assholes!

[krispos42]

89. Little kids....

Damn, that's low. Stuff that only irritates an adult can kill a baby!

And if you have asthma, you an die, choking to death on it.

[Hekate]

92. Okay DUers, what can we do to help this particular community? Come on, give some ideas.

I know we can.

Hekate

[CalJen]

93. Ashamed....

:cry:

[Scurrilous]

94. A dangerous obsession

<snip>

"A group of hardline United States neo-conservatives and former Israeli diplomats were behind the controversial, allegedly Islamaphobic DVD which was recently distributed in US swing states ahead of November's presidential elections.

The 60-minute movie,Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West, was an initiative of the Endowment for Middle East Truth (EMET), but produced by the Clarion Fund, an organization described as a "front" for Israeli group Aish Hatorah.

Some 28 million copies of Obsession are currently being inserted in newspapers and delivered by mail in key electoral swing states - such as Michigan, Ohio and Florida which, according to recent polling, could go either way.

Critics allege the movie Obsession is "hate propaganda" which paints Muslims as violent extremists and, among other things, explicitly compares the threat posed by radical Islam to that of Nazi Germany in the 1930s - at least two major metropolitan newspapers refused to run the movie because of its perceived bias.

"Despite the perilous state of American newspapers, the St Louis Post-Dispatch advertising department took an ethical stand and refused to distribute the DVD of a film that for two years has troubled American Muslims," Tim Townsend, a reporter at Missouri's most influential newspaper wrote this month.

The Clarion Fund is based at the same New York address as Aish Hatorah, a self-described "apolitical" group dedicated to educating Jews about their heritage. Its street address, as listed on the group's website and a DVD mailer for the film, is a "virtual address" that goes to a post office box in New York City.

While initial press reports about the mass distribution focused on the Clarion Fund's financing role, it was EMET that organized and oversaw the distribution, EMET's spokesman and a former press officer for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, Ari Morgenstern, told Inter Press Service.

EMET, according to a recent press release, is "a non-partisan, non-profit organization dedicated to policy research and analysis on democracy and the Middle East." According to filings made in compliance with the organization's tax-exempt status, "The organization hosts seminars, debates and educational films featuring Middle East experts in order to educate policymakers and the public at large on the common threats facing Israel and the United States."

Morgenstern said EMET was "partnered with the Clarion Fund" on what he called the "Obsession Project" which he identified as "an initiative of EMET". He declined to name the project's donors - a spokesman for the Clarion Fund, Gregory Ross, also refused to name the fund's donors, whose identities remain a mystery."

more

[ArmedAmerican]

95. if this is 1930s Germany...that means my time machine worked!

but wait, I'm posting on the internet so that means it's just people repeating history. Damn.

[Petrushka]

104. ah-OO-gah! Welcome! Are you mice or man? Hitchhiking through the galaxy or driving?

:hi:

[beac]

240. That was my thought too.

And a Jewish 'Democrat' has agreed to be the PR person for the group distributing that vile DVD (see his contact info at the bottom of the thread).


And welcome to DU :hi: -- to paraphrase the old Chinese curse, we are posting in 'interesting times'.

[StrictlyRockers]

97. This is how it starts. This is "krystallnacht"...on our way to the "final solution".

Intollerance. First they came for the Muslims...

This is what happens when you preach and practice xenophobia and intllerance.

[meowomon]

98. What Would Jesus Do?

NOT THIS!!

[iconicgnom]

99. Could find nothing in Washington Post. A search of NYT came up with a link that pointed to kpete

via AfterDowningStreet.org

Very disturbing that this terrorist act in the heart of the US was ignored.

[WritersBlock]

100. I just emailed the author of the new story I read about it

and asked why it wasn't reported as an act of terrorism, which was what it would have been described as if it had happened to a church instead of a mosque.


How come it's only terrorism when Muslims are the suspected perpetrators, but not when they're the victims?

[Petrushka]

106. Isn't it possible the victims AND the perpetrators were Muslims? Sunni vs Shi'ite, maybe?

:shrug:

[WritersBlock]

108. Sure it's possible. But these were Muslims and they were the victims of terrorism.

Regardless of who perpetrated it.


The point is that it was not called terrorism because the victims were Muslim.

[Petrushka]

111. You questioned "How come it's only terrorism when Muslims are the suspected perpetrators, but

not when they're the victims?", as if your sure there are actual suspects being investigated by the police. Until the police use the word "terrorism" and/or "terrorist(s)" in their investigation, isn't it possible a newspaper might inflame further violence by using such words speculatively? Are you looking for "news" . . . or for "opinion" . . . or, maybe, "rumour"? Who knows? If that reporter replies to your question, fill us in!

Until an hour or so ago, I not only didn't hear or read anything about this "news" out of Dayton OH, I didn't hear or read anything about the "Obsession" DVD. But, FWIW, if it's tabloid journalism I'm looking for, I kinda favor Weekly World News' embroidery over National Enquirer's.

[WritersBlock]

117. Not sure what you're trying to imply.

I read the article. It was extremely low-key. The point I was trying to make was that it would *not* have been so low key if the victims had not been Muslims.

I'm not looking for "news" . . . or for "opinion" . . . or, maybe, "rumour" - as you put it. This has nothing to do with the WWN or the NE. I'm looking for the reporter to explain why the article was written that way in the link I posted.

[Petrushka]

127. IMO, the article was objective journalism and anything more would have been editorializing. (eom)

[WritersBlock]

130. Fair enough, then. I see your point to an extent, but disagree. I still doubt the wording of the

article would have been so calm and low-key had it not been Muslims who were the victims.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. :)

[iconicgnom]

300. and the corollary is that this (rather large, and heinous) terrorist attack was virtually unreported

But yah, as Petrushka says, the perp may've been muslim too! Which'd explain it in a way that if the perp were a red-blooded american like Tim McVay wouldn't. Or just the regular next door muslim hater, for that matter, wouldn't.

Kinda ironic, tho', that this CD might well lead to even more events reminiscent of Kristallnacht, and gov't military action reminiscent of ... Well, I best not say it.

[Gwendolyn]

110. I think, and hope, because so far it's an isolated act...

which makes it a hate crime. Terrorism implies systemic, or repeated violence.

[Shallah Kali]

101. This dvd has been used by the US military and the men in it paid to speak at an Air Force conference

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/17/15847/7077/Front_Page/_quot_Obsession_quot_Stars_Have_Lectured_at_U_S_Military_Colleges_U_S_Navy_Uses_Film

ust as appalling and outrageous as Gabriel's JFSC lecture was the February 2008 appearance of the "3 ex-terrorists" at the U.S. Air Force Academy. The three members of this traveling anti-Muslim sideshow, paid $13,000 to speak at the 50th Annual Academy Assembly on the topic "Dismantling Terrorism: Developing Actionable Solutions for Today's Plague of Violence," are Walid Shoebat, Zachariah Anani, and and Kamal Saleem. Shoebat, who appears in Obsession and sells the film on his website, has also spoken at Tim LaHaye's Pre-Trib (Pre-Tribulation) Research Center conferences and John Hagee's Christians United for Israel (CUFI) events. Zachariah Anani is a Lebanese-born Canadian citizen who claims to have killed 223 people while a Muslim terrorist. Kamal Saleem, under his real name, Khodor Shami, worked for Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network for sixteen years, was hired by James Dobson's Focus on the Family in 2003, and founded Koome Ministries in 2006 to "expose the true agenda of who would deceive our nation and the free nations of the world."

The claims of the 3 ex-terrorists about their exploits as Muslim terrorists have long been questioned by academics and terrorism experts who have found a plethora of unlikelihoods and outright impossibilities in their stories. The most obvious question, of course, is why, if their stories are true, haven't these three self-proclaimed terrorists, who have been traveling the country for years admitting to numerous killings and other terrorist acts, not been deported or jailed. Well, apparently, even our government's terrorist hunters don't believe these guys. According to a New York Times article about the trio's appearance at the Air Force Academy, "A spokesman for the F.B.I. said there were no warrants for their arrest."

After demands by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) for equal time to counter the anti-Muslim screed of the 3 ex-terrorists, the Air Force Academy eventually allowed MRFF founder and president, and Academy graduate, Mikey Weinstein, and two MRFF Advisory Board members, Islam expert Reza Aslan and former Ambassador Joe Wilson, to speak to (deprogram) the cadets.

In addition to Obsession cast members Brigitte Gabriel and Walid Shoebat speaking at U.S. military colleges, Gregory Ross, the film's co-writer and director, stated in an interview that the film is being used by the U.S. Navy. According to Ross, who is also Communications Director for Clarion Fund, the organization that produced the film and is now funding the DVD newspaper insert scheme, "I know that the U.S. Department of the Navy uses the film and that it has also been shown on Capitol Hill on many occasions in order to education politicians."

[mopinko]

138. can i go back to bed, now? and stay there until

nov. 5th? i promise to get up and march to dc, like all of us will after they steal the election. but i just don't think i can take the shit that is going to happen between now and then.

obama's campaign has to come out and address this.

[Manchurian]

237. It's not only the military

They show that video in a Texas Peace Officer Active Shooter Course, called Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT)

A course designed to train officers around the state similar techniques for Active Shooter Events...terrorist attacks...

They show the video (sometimes a 30 minute version) to make you "take the threat seriously."

Even though the majority of Active Shooter events in this country have been by White Males.

They want you to be ready in the event of a "worst case scenario," like the school massacre incident in Beslan...


Why is this important?

I've trained with the Israeli Military, and I can tell you that they respect their adversary- enemy a lot more than our military ever has. There's a historic disrespect for our adversaries in war (especially the ones that don't look like the mainstream of our country), but we don't ever address it. The answer is just beneath the surface, but we turn a blind eye to it and continue to fuel hatred of anything that "opposes us."

From Boot Camp on, we're indoctrinated with a visceral hatred for our enemies.

And I just got a different sense from the Israelis. Even though I disagree with their policies and tactics, they actually live with a constant threat of terror, and I can easily say that if we were in that situation...Palestinians would have been exterminated years ago...

Especially if we are going to be pedaling this type of crap to our first responders and defenders, how many do you think will actually stand up against fascism, rather than for it when it finally takes a complete hold of our nation?

[beac]

247. Thanks for pointing this out. The US trains our soldiers like

war is a big game of Grand Theft Auto-- trying to bring out their worst 'killer instinct' and inoculating them against their natural human feelings.

This is how Abu Ghraib happens-- and how civilians come to think it's OK to gas little children.



Welcome to DU, by the way. Sorry to 'meet' you on such a sad thread.

[OakCliffDem]

102. The conservatives are firing up their base

[liberal N proud]

103. Sick bastards enticed by a sick move by some other sick bastards

The ones who distributed the hate video should be prosecuted right along with those who perpetrated this act of hate.

[leveymg]

105. "Obsession" is the GOP version of "Der Sturmer". Hate cannot be tolerated.

This act of political violence against defenseless victims is reminiscent of Nazi Party tactics.

Where are the Counter-Terrorism Task Forces, when they're needed?

[LunaSea]

107. Faces of "Obsession"

Does anyone know where this photo was taken?

[Mabus]

133. Talk about hypocrisy. Their shirts say "Stop the hate"

but they're promoting nothing but hate. If there is a hell, I hope they all end up there.

[Name removed]

274. Deleted message

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[Jawja]

109. Isn't that terrorism?

:shrug:

I mean, we are fighting them "over there" so we don't have to fight them "over here;" but it appears that terrorists are already "over here."

[JawJaw]

112. Classic Corporate Media Double Standards

If Muslim fanatics had gassed a Christian church the media would be falling over itself to call their crusaders to arms against the "islamo-fascist hordes".

But when Muslim babies are the victims.....crickets.......

I'm not so sure whether it's the crime itself, or the lack of coverage by the corporate media which is more troubling.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

114. Children.

They gassed children.

:cry: :grr:

[Mad_Dem_X]

119. Dear Lord!

People seem to forget the homegrown, right-wing terrorists we have. This is just sick.

[Raineyb]

213. You mean the way some have conveniently forgotten that the largest terrorist attack

Perpetrated on American soil before 9/11/01 was the Oklahoma City bombing.

Gee I wonder if they remember who was responsible for that attack?

Regards

[Hayduke Lives]

122. My paper included the DVD two weeks ago

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette is generally a good rag. But this whole thing is so infuriating. I'm going to write a letter to the editor to call them to account for spreading this filth in exchange for a little ad revenue.

[rucky]

123. Local news is describing it as a "Hazmat Situation"

Hazmat crews evacuate mosque

Posted: Sep 26, 2008 11:45 PM

DAYTON, Ohio (WDTN) - A hazmat situation forces hundreds out of a place of worship.

It happened Friday night at the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton.

Three-hundred people were inside the mosque when police believe two people sprayed a substance in through the window.

Authorities aren't sure exactly what the substance was, but say it may have been pepper spray.

One child and one adult were taken to the hospital.

Dozens of others were treated at the scene for symptoms including vomiting, watery eyes and coughing.

Dayton Police are still investigating.

Reported by Chelby Kosto/Web produced by Shelly Brinkman, WDTN

http://www.wdtn.com/Global/story.asp?S=9083585

[spooked911]

124. All the more disgusting since 9/11 was an inside job

9/11 was pure propaganda all the way around

[whistle]

128. Who is behind the "Obsession" DVD distribution and why?

...Radical Right Wing group called Clarion Fund in partnership with the Endowment for Middle East Truth bent on influencing the election outcome in swing states to move toward the policies of John McCain:

<snip>
Obsession DVD Distributors: Would We Try To Influence Election? Never!
By Eric Kleefeld - September 25, 2008, 10:59AM

We've finally gotten to speak with the people behind the mass distribution of Obsession, a DVD warning viewers of the threats of radical Islam. And they're actually claiming that their mailing of the DVD to millions of households in swing states, and paying to have it inserted in local papers in places like Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, is not an attempt to sway voters in swing states.

And get this: They're saying the swing-state focus is simply an effort to get the attention of reporters in swing states, because the media is heavily focused on swing states and if they distributed the DVD in non-swing states it wouldn't get any attention.

The movie is being distributed by Clarion Fund, a right-wing group founded by filmmaker Raphael Shore, in partnership with the Endowment for Middle East Truth. Since these organizations are 501(c)(3) non-profits, it would be illegal for them to use the DVD as an express effort to win people's votes -- but they can embark on educational campaigns.

Nonetheless, this "educational campaign" -- which would seem to be helpful to John McCain -- is heavily focused on swing states. Why?

"If we were to distribute only in Hawaii and Maine, the press would be like, 'Look we're in Pennsylvania, we're in Florida, we're not covering something in Hawaii now,'" said Gregory Ross, Clarion Fund spokesman, in an interview with Election Central.

Ross explained. "So to capture the press and get interviews just like you're calling me, that why we're sending it to the swing states."

<MORE>

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/obsession_dvd_distributors_wer.php


<See also>

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1036862/clarion_fund_promccain_nonprofit_group.html

http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=3239

[fascisthunter]

148. They Should Be Charged for Inciting Violence against a Religion

this shit needs to be stamped out immediately and forcefully. It's crap like this that can start more violence.

[mhatrw]

285. More on who is behind this hate DVD.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/article827910.ece

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/09/29/hank-sheinkopf-flacking-for-obsession/

[OwnedByFerrets]

129. ........

"I am hurt and angry. I tell her this is NOT America. She tells me this is not Heaven or Hell -- there are good and bad people everywhere.

No, this is B*sh's Amerika. The Amerika he propagated. The Amerika he spawned.

[YOY]

131. New York Times needs to get on this ASAP.

This should be a national story.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

178. Yes,Where's NYTimes? Here is Dayton newspaper report: "Probe continues into chemicals at mosque":

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/27/ddn092708islamicweb.html

[LeftishBrit]

132. This is disgusting

A xenophobic mob is truly dangerous and there are always demagogues ready to whip up such mobs, directly or indirectly (in the UK, it tends to take the form of the tabloid press).

Poor kids!!!

[Quantess]

332. Poor kids, in more ways than being targeted for being Muslim.

Poor kids, for being raised Fundamentalist Muslim! I say that as readily as I would say "those poor kids, for being homeschooled as Christian Fundamentalists".

[AngryOldDem]

135. This mosque is in a part of Dayton that would not be especially hospitable to Moslems.

I've had my concerns about it since it opened several years ago. This has been on the news here, but in much more vague terms than this -- "chemical accident of unknown origin," etc.

Sadly, this is not unknown around here. Last year a group wanted to build a mosque in a relatively affluent part of the community and were opposed by a Christian church. Of course, the opposition was put in much nicer terms and pure hatred and racism, but it was pretty transparent what was behind the opposition. The mosque was built, by the way.

[Douglas Carpenter]

136. Kick and recommended -- very important !!!!!

[dhpgetsit]

142. Would your paper distribute a KKK flier?

This is hate speech and should be prosecuted as such!

In light of what happened in Dayton, filmmaker Raphael Shore, the Clarion fund http://clarionfund.org/ and other complicit organizations http://www.emetonline.org/ are complicit in a hate crime.

[jberryhill]

210. Do you believe that publishing a racist opinion is a crime of some kind?

Really?

[pop goes the weasel]

259. inflammatory speech can be a crime

Speech that has the main purpose of inciting violence is considered criminal. However, it is very difficult to prove that the main purpose of any particular act of expression is to incite violence, which is why it is unlikely that either the makers or distributors of the dvd will be prosecuted. Further, judicial resort would only allow these cowards to pretend to be victims. We have to counter their propaganda by refusing to do business with those who deseminate it and by over-matching their propaganda with our own truth-telling.

[mntleo2]

143. Ltte To Cox News:

Dear Editors:

I live in Seattle and read with horror about the gassing of people in prayer at the Dayton Islamic mosque. Evidently some churches are reviewing the movie Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West and that Cox News services ran an ad for it in their papers nationwide. It appears that the fear some people had that this movie could inspire others to become inflamed with hatred, is becoming a nightmare come true.

Right after 9/11 in our community when hatred and outrage was the highest, Christian volunteers stood guard at our local mosque along with fellow Jewish, Buddhist and Hindu sisters and brothers. We did this in order to ensure that some kook would not hurt these good peoples' place of worship. All of them stood as Americans who believed in Freedom of Religion as a cornerstone of our country. One such man. Bert Sachs, a holocaust survivor, was among those who stood to face down anyone who dared to even try to hurt one of our Islamic neighbors.

I suspect there are folks like that in your city as well who would risk their lives and reputations in order to stand tall with those who merely want to worship God in the faith they know and believe. They may not know about but live every day, about the story Jesus told of The Good Samaritan who helped the man who was not of the same faith whom others of the wounded man's faith, bypassed and walked over as he lay helpless and wounded while someone of another (hated) faith stopped and assisted the wounded man. The point of this story is that the Samaritan was a great deal farther along the path to God than the many others who passed by someone of their own faith who needed their help.

It is the time of Ramadan and Rosh Hashanah and I hope that every person out there also would stand guard at either one of these places of worship in solidarity with one another while their brothers and sisters participated if they were needed. I would hope that I would enjoy the same protection if celebrating Easter were something for some to hate. As a wise Hindu leader told a group of us once, like God was to those of us who were there, if you travel around a mountain it may look completely different from different sides, but it is still the same mountain. I have learned in my travels while sharing spiritually with many faiths in my church, in my work, and in my neighborhood that, God is God. The very same gentle guiding light, the same wise and wonderful Force that is big enough to make the Universe yet small enough to live in our hearts Whom no matter the name, can inspire us to be good neighbors to one another.

Whether atheist, or believer, we need to bow our heads in shame that some people of faith do not seem to understand the Message the rest of us hear loud and clear: They do not seem to understand that, if you truly know God, you will know peace. If your brother hurt someone, does that mean you also did it too? No! So you would most certainly not put innocent people in danger or discomfort just because they do not believe as you do or because they are different from you and even if their "brother" hurt someone, you would know they are innocent. You would love your neighbor as you love yourself.

It is the American Way ...

Catherine Sullivan
19121 61st PL NE Apt A
Kenmore, WA 98028
425-483-6421.

--
>^..^<

[Tommy_Carcetti]

172. Beautiful.

I couldn't have written it better myself.


(Although you might want to edit to remove your personal info. There are a lot of sickos out there on this subject.)

[The Stranger]

145. Was Daniel Pipes' group involved with this DVD?

[Sebastian Doyle]

311. Yep.

Pipes' MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute) are the ones responsible for the translation from Arabic language in the film (completely unbiased translation, I'm sure :eyes: ) and his "Endowment for Middle East Truth" is actively promoting the propaganda film. http://www.emetonline.org/

Not only is Pipes involved in both MEMRI and EMET, so are several other prominent Likud & American neocon fanatics, some of whom were charter members of PNAC.

[Starry Messenger]

342. Looks like they are in CYA mode now:

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/10/01/emet-withdraws-from-obsession-promotion/

EMET Withdraws From Obsession Promotion.

[noonwitch]

146. I got one of those DVDs in the mail.

I threw it out. It was addressed to the previous owner, who is dead. Now, I wish I hadn't thrown it out. I'm curious about it.

[Tarc]

149. Sadly, this is just the kind of thing endorsed by the free republic

Their repugnant "all Muslims are terrorists" mantra makes it acceptable to carry out these sorts of things.

[secondwind]

150. this is a HATE CRIME!! I hope the FBI goes after these bastards.

When Obama is sworn in, I want to see him and his family riding in a fucking Hummer down Pennsylvania Avenue, on their way to the White House.

I want Obama to always be protected, I want to see these bastards CHOKE with hatred for the black POTUS, til they explode.



:rage:

[The Animator]

151. I got two of them in the mail a while back.

One addressed to me, and another to my old roommate. I've been meaning to burn them. They'll be safely on fire in my complex's bbq grill when I get off work tonight.

[Kajsa]

152. Islamophobia is alive and well in our country

and is driven by fear mongering RW extremists.

This reminds me of the tactics used by the KKK
against African-Americans throughout history.

[wvbygod]

182. Right along with Christianphobia too

How many replies to this OP are blaming Christians for this unsolved gas attack?

[Kajsa]

246. You're right, Wvbygod.

The RW extremist Fundies aren't Christian, imho.

[wvbygod]

252. Bingo!

Just like the radicals that terrorize people in the name of "Allah", Islam etc...they are not
true followers of Islam.

[Danger Mouse]

153. Disgusting....charge them as terrorists. These fuckers need to learn...

that they can't do anything they want.

[Orrex]

154. So angry that I had to post it twice!

:mad:

[Orrex]

155. This is undeniably a terrorist attack with chemical weapons

Seems to me that we've invaded whole countries for less than that.

[windbreeze]

156. Outraged, doesn't even get close...n/t

[Dukkha]

157. I got a copy went straight to the trash

where it belongs along with the distributors

[L. Coyote]

158. K & REC. Can voters separate fact from fiction?

[trthnd4jstc]

160. Who theH$ll did this? Geez! I hope the perpetrator(s) get caught, and serve time. n/t

[HillbillyBob]

161. And Just Who are the Terrorists???

nt

[wvbygod]

164. the spray can idiots are sick and need arrested, but blaming a propaganda DVD for it?!?

Complete BS and is the same tactic the repubs use to connect things that are unproven.

Still, not one person can even say what is anti-Muslim about the free DVD documentary.
Yes, it's propaganda and sent out to scare people but whomever claims it is a
anti-Muslim documentary needs to point out what is actually in the documentary that
is considered "anti-Muslim."

[Tommy_Carcetti]

167. I hereby demand each and every Christian apologize and reject these acts....

....or else those Christians are clearly in sympathy with the perpetrators of these acts and should be treated just as harshly as if they were directly involved.
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Please note the above is satire from this (practicing Christian) poster. Of course normal thinking Christians are going to reject these horrible acts. Just like normal thinking Muslims reject the actions of Al Quada and its ilk. It goes without saying. However, the tired line from the right that gets repeated over and over again is that all Muslims are somehow guilty for the actions of a few because they don't "speak out enough" when one of its loons like Bin Laden does something horrible. That's about the dumbest, illogical and non-productive demand I've heard, but I hear it way too much.

[krabigirl]

170. So will these American terrorists be spending some time in Guantanamo if they are caught?

:sarcasm:

[redqueen]

174. If this terrorist attack against children had happened in a Christian church...

can you imagine how different the coverage would be?

[NOLALady]

184. It would be on the news 24/7 for at least 2 days.

All local programming would stop. I suspect we would also find some country to bomb.

[redqueen]

188. And as of now, it appears there is STILL nothing in the M$M about this.

Just the Dayton Daily News and Democracy Now.

We need to flood the M$M outlets with questions.

[wvbygod]

193. There will be traces of whatever irritant was used.

According to Hasmat officials in OH, they are looking for evidence.

I suspect the news orgs want to be sure it is not a hoax or some other unverifiable incident.

[redqueen]

198. They don't wait for details... esp when CHILDREN are hit by a TERRORIST ATTACK.

Well, not Christian children, anyway.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

176. This chemical attack is a terrorist attack against innocent muslims. . . nt

[classof56]

177. There are thugs everywhere.

I'm thinking these are the type of "subhumans" who will gladly take on the torture duty at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib. Sick, sick people, waste of skin and space. I can only hope they get what they deserve.

Tired Old Cynic

[kestrel91316]

187. I am pretty sure whoever did this considers themselves a good

bible-believing "christian" doing God's work.

Sometimes I really hate what America has become. It's no longer socially acceptable to do this sort of thing to Jews, so I guess Muslims are the NEXT dog to kick around.

[wvbygod]

192. You're "pretty sure" it was a Christian???

How is that any better than the bigots blaming radical Islam for attacks?

[redqueen]

199. Cause they don't leave room for doubt. They just declare it.

Duh.

[kestrel91316]

238. Because it's the RW fundies blaming the Muslims for all our ills.

Where have YOU been for the last several years? If you haven't noticed, you're really not paying attention.

[kestrel91316]

241. Because it's the RW fundies blaming the Muslims for all our ills.

Where have YOU been for the last several years? If you haven't noticed, you're really not paying attention.

[spoony]

265. I'm rather disappointed in you

When I first came to DU I thought your posts were intelligent. Sad to see you engaging in the same divisive assumptions and biases that led to this attack.

[Bake]

189. What the fuck is wrong with Ohio????

Holy crap, they're making Mississippi look INTELLIGENT!!!

Bake

[wvbygod]

191. Oh BS. It's not an Ohio thing. Bigots are everywhere in the US

And most despicable acts (like this one) by them are performed in the urban areas.

[OHDEM]

339. Hey - All Ohioans aren't like this!

I'm in NE Ohio though near Cleveland. We just got our copy of Obsession in the mail today & I am livid! The newspaper hasn't carried it - yet.

Interesting fact to chew on - Dayton is home of a large Air Force Base. Anyone else smell a coverup??

[AllyCat]

190. Oh my God this is horrible! What on earth is wrong with people?

Those poor children and their families. I hope they catch the freaks that did this, but knowing the state of some Americans, they probably won't.

[gauguin57]

196. Any address for the cretins? Can U package the DVD with a brick and send it back, postage due?

It would be cool if one could do that ... or, if THOUSANDS of people could do that -- bankrupt the "Clarion" f*ckers.

[AspenRose]

201. I sent an email of support to them

No one should have to suffer through this during Ramadan (or any other time).

[Jester Messiah]

204. This is why lynch mobs were invented.

In this case, I think a necktie party would be quite justifiable.

[spoony]

266. Actually Lynch was a judge who ordered

the murders of British loyalists (not fighters, just Tories) during the Revolutionary War.

[AlbertCat]

206. I tell her this is NOT America.

Oh, but it is, Blanche, it is.

We burned witches, we owned slaves, we had cowboys kill farmers and vice versa, we had separate but equal facilities, we had union busting with fatalities, we interred Japanese, we got way too upset over long hair and beards, we blamed gays for AIDS....

But it's getting better generally. The hate mongers are having some problems lately. The farther we get away from religion the better things of this ilk seem to get. I hope America continues its trend away from ancient foolishness, and I hope Islamic countries, all counties! do the same.

[iheartmulletz]

207. How come I didn't see this on "Good Morning America" today?

And they are gonna take their little bus tour through the swing states but how much do you want to bet they will stay far, far away from Ohio?

[iheartmulletz]

208. Do we know, however, if these sprayers were Republicans?

I know that the wars themselves have provoked anti-Muslim sentiment, but before we go out casting stones, let's make sure that we know of what we speak.

[Webster Green]

214. We know they were acting like Republicans..

Odds are that the perps would claim to be both Republicans and Christians.

We do know that they are scumbags. :mad:

[iheartmulletz]

221. That is pretty hasty judgment there

I don't want to say anything until I know exactly who is behind this. Yes, I think we can all agree they are scummy people. But are they affiliated with a particular church? We do not know apparently and it would behoove us to reserve judgment until we are certain. Otherwise, we look awfully prejudiced.

[Webster Green]

227. I only judged them to be scumbags..

I said the odds are good that they are religiously insane pukes. I've been walking around the planet with my eyes open, which leads me to that opinion. :smoke:

[iheartmulletz]

231. You also said the odds were that they were Republicans

and even if that is on their voting card, it still would not point to particular Republican ideas. As I recall, many more Democrats voted for the Iraq war than voted against it. They played politics with innocent people's lives. And with this bail out bill, the lines are blurring faster than we can even adjust.

My eyes are wide open, too.

[bullwinkle428]

260. But there is no doubt that those perpetrating this were responding to REPUBLICAN FEARMONGERING,

which they've been using for years since 9/11, to promote an anti-Islamic message. Do you remember anything at all about the Republican campaigns leading up to the elections of 2002, 2004, and 2006?

[iheartmulletz]

276. Yes, I remember the inflammatory language quite well

And you are right, it was used by Republicans. I guess I just wish that ALL Dems would have voted against both wars because they blurred the lines by voting for the wars. I mean, if you vote for a war in Iraq, you are telling the public that the people over there did something wrong. And in Iraq, that simply isn't so. Of course, I don't believe the official story in the least.

[elehhhhna]

216. So we hvae had terrorist attacks since 9/11, afterall. Way to go, Pubies!

Gassing Muslims.

Muslims are the new Jews.

[martymar64]

277. And Clarion Fund is a Jewish front group

The makers and distributors of this piece of filth are Jews.

I call on every Jew in the US to condemn and apologize for this act of terrorism on our soil perpetrated by one of their spokesmen.

[Sebastian Doyle]

312. You really should clarify that.

Yes, Daniel "Crack" Pipes and some of his associates happen to be Jewish, but in reality, they are neoconservative fascist genocidal terrorists and they do not represent "Jews" any more than the Westboro Baptist Church respresents "Christians".

Let's be sure to make that distinction, and not make this about "Muslim vs Jew" or any other broad brush labeling.

[Politicalboi]

217. I got one in the mail last week too

I am in Ca so I don't know what they think they are going to get away with. Ca is BLUE. I haven't watched it but I'm sure it's filled with hate and lies. So how can they send hate mail?

[crankychatter]

218. I like to microwave data discs,cd's and dvd's - they pop and crackle with pretty colors

I haven't had my second cup of coffee... so I cannot comment without sliding into total, Yosemite Sam, apoplectic rage.

another quad shot and I'll be cussing and fuming without becoming a threat to society

[crankychatter]

220. we need to do our own about these christio-fascists

starting with those droolers murdering Sikhs on the heels of 9-11... all the way up to THIS event

front these crazies off for what they are...

[Enthusiast]

222. Pathetic! This illustrates

the mindset of many rural religious 'conservatives'. Most still believe Obama is a Muslim, won't say the pledge and took his oath of office with his hand on the Koran.

[beac]

233. I posted this in thread but want to make sure everyone sees this:

This is the contact info for Hank Sheinkopf, the supposed 'Democrat' who Clarion has hired to do their PR for 'Obsession':

Sheinkopf Communications
152 Madison Avenue
New York | New York 10016
T. 212.725.2378
[e-mail]


Call them-- calls are answered by a pool, so if the first person hangs up on you (like they did me), call back. The guy I talked to gave a BS answer about 'freedom of speech.' I replied that Clarion was free to speak its VILE message, but that Sheinkopf Communications was being PAID and thus was promoting racism for money. Disgusting.

[Juan_de_la_Dem]

235. Unbelievable

[OwnedByFerrets]

242. Can you imagine the outrage of middle amerika had this

been a "christian" congregation. TERROR TERROR TERROR would be all over the airwaves. We would be at code red.

www.wearableartnow.com

[raysr]

248. They hate us for our

what? They hate us because they should hate us!

[JerseygirlCT]

254. And who was the person here who didn't see the problem with that

dvd?

I'm glad I can't remember, frankly.

[young_at_heart]

258. Why haven't McCain and the RNC denounced "Obsession"?

From the National Review, Sept. 25: "But we have a lot more to learn from all of the experts in Obsession, and denouncing them and the project seems something very close to banning books because the ideas found in them are uncomfortable or offensive to some. I will readily agree: terrorism and the recruiting of children as suicide bombers is offensive, to put it no worse. I think most would agree as well, we know nothing like enough about such tactics and problems so as to begin a campaign to silence documentaries about them. A campaign to silence is what we have, however, and Keith Olbermann is hardly alone".

[Quantess]

326. Because the McCain campaign loves it!

The DVD is out, just in time for the election!


You aren't seriously questioning why the McCain campaign hasn't denounced this DVD, are you?

[Sheets of Easter]

262. For the sake of sounding trollish-

is there a direct link to the distribution of this video and the attack, or is it just connecting the dots?

With that in mind, I got my copy the other day. I haven't decided whether to play frisbee with it, or drive over it back and forth with my car.

This is a horrible and inexcusable act. Sure, it seems that the two instances could be related, but there is little/no proof that they are.

[Shallah Kali]

286. To bad it wasn't sent by mail as you could then write Refused Return to Sender

after acidently stomping on it

[Sheets of Easter]

294. Actually, it did.

Oh, the joy of living in a battleground state.

I thought about marking it return to sender, but not before swapping it with a porno DVD first. :evilgrin:

[IsItJustMe]

298. The wind blows and I can feel it. No, I don't see it, but I know it exists none-the-less.

Just say no to hate.

[Eurobabe]

267. This is NOT my country!!!!!!

OMFG!!! :banghead: :banghead:

[red storm]

270. It is purely a hate crime and I hope they catch those "terrorists"

Below is part of what was published yesterday in the Dayton Daily News:

When Dayton fire and emergency personnel arrived at 26 Josie St. on Friday night, they noticed an odor. HAZMAT workers checked the structure for pepper spray and other irritants, but found nothing.

Police said they were continuing their investigation.

Also on Sunday, members of several Dayton religious groups were scheduled to view and discuss a DVD about Islamic radicalism mailed to some area homes and circulated with newspapers here and around the country.

"Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West," was a paid advertising insert in the Dayton Daily News, Springfield News-Sun, Hamilton JournalNews and Middletown Journal, all owned by Cox Ohio Publishing, on Monday, Sept. 22. It appeared in more than 70 other newspapers nationwide.

The Rev. Gary Percesepe, executive director of Greater Dayton Christian Connections, characterized the DVD as "fanning the flames of fear and prejudice against Muslims, with the potential to inspire hate crimes."

[randr]

269. Clarion Fund is responsible

Call them and leave a message: [phone]

[beac]

280. Call/write to the 'Democrat' that signed up to be their PR firm:

Sheinkopf Communications
152 Madison Avenue
New York | New York 10016
T. 212.725.2378
[e-mail]


They told me it was a 'free speech' issue when I called. I pointed out that public relations is NOT free speech, it is paid advocacy-- and asked them if they would have agreed to represent a company that put DVDs of 'Der ewige Jude' in newspapers around the country.


More on Hank Sheinkopf here:

http://www.sheinkopf.com/hank.html

[beac]

284. Update! An email i sent earlier today went thru but a friend said hers just bounced.

I checked the website and they appear to have CHANGED their contact email to:

[e-mail]



VERY interesting.... Keep hammering them!

[redqueen]

275. Nothing in the M$M about this... still.

:puke:

[MisterP]

287. "Reel Bad Arabs" and "Epic Encounters" are quite good on tracking U.S. perceptions

of Middle Easterners, especially in connection with Cold-War policy.
This sub-fascism can be seen in that repellent movie Rules of Engagement, which Stuart Klawans nicely describes as an ongoing message of not criticizing anything the military does. This same babyish trust was visible in Iran-Contra and even My Lai: the U.S. has been grinding rightwards since the end of WWII, and neoliberals and centrists have been actively greasing the skids. In 1920, a few conservative Brits took up the collection plate for poor, beleaguered Reginald Dyer, who'd killed over 1,000 at Amritsar. Demands for obedience (from the MIC) and loyalty (from Blue Dogs) thus go hand-in-hand with colonial-ish massacres by unrestrained officers.

[democrank]

289. Honestly, I want to cry.

~PEACE~

[IsItJustMe]

296. I think people should contact these groups that promote hatred and divisiveness.

[AntiFascist]

297. Ummm, why isn't this reported on Countdown?

at least Rachel Maddow, one would hope?

[defendandprotect]

299. THIS ... and the frozen children ...is what fascist influences finally do to citizens ---

when insanity reigns and rules, it creates a world in its image --

patriarchy and violence are one --

[Unca Jim]

301. ANY CONTACT INFORMATION to send good wishes & money...

would be appreciated. It sounds like these poor folks should hear from all the decent Americans who are appalled and who empathize with their pain.

I'd send $50 to help cover medical expenses and my best wishes to the good people of the Mosque, and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone on DU.

Just so you Christian-haters understand what will happen next: The local interfaith alliance will reach out and will help raise the money to repair the damage to the Mosque. That's what happened when our local Hindu temple got vandalized a few years ago. Every Sunday we were asked to give a little extra for those who had been attacked, and we all reached out to the Hindu community. Many people volunteered money and time. Hell, Dr. Sane (the chairman of their Temple committee) even welcomed the teenagers who did the vandalism to learn the tenets of Hinduism to calm their aggressive tendencies!

It'll be religious people who will do most of the helping again here, like they usually do. Just like the 1% of Muslims who attack people are not representative of their religion, the violent 1% of any group is not who they are.



I also agree that it would be sad if someone was attacking the Mosque for "religious" reasons.

[sasquatch]

304. I'm embarassed to be a Daytonian tonight and I can't wait till whoever did this is brought to-

justice.

[gmoney]

317. yeah, me too... especially after reading this

"A 10-year-old girl sprayed in the face with a chemical Friday, Sept. 26, while at a local Islamic mosque was not the victim of a hate crime, police Chief Richard Biehl said." (emphasis mine)

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/29/ddn092908mosquefoloweb.html

[Gwendolyn]

305. This is a rather bizarre story...

...and the update denies that a hate crime has been perpetrated.


"Mosque board member Tarek Sabagh said many people within the mosque speculated that the incident was the result of a DVD about Islamic radicalism titled "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" that was mailed to area homes by its producers and circulated as a paid advertisement with more than 70 newspapers, including the Dayton Daily News.

"We are not linking the two at all," Sabagh said."


Update:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/29/ddn092908mosquefoloweb.html

[Starry Messenger]

308. This makes me sick. :(

This is a detailed HuffPo article from 9/13 that describes the origin of this DVD and mailing:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erik-ose/pro-mccain-group-dumping_b_125969.html

Those poor children. Please Rachel or KO do a story on this!!

[yellowwood]

337. Why Did These Newspapers Distribute This Garbage?

Newspapers are responsible for what they disseminate. Disgusting!
List from Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erik-ose/pro-mccain-group-dumping_b_125969.html
Colorado - Boulder Daily Camera, Centennial Citizen, Colorado Springs Gazette, Denver Post, Fort Collins Coloradoan, Greeley Tribune
Iowa - Daily Nonpareil, Des Moines Register, Iowa City Press Citizen, Quad City Times, Sioux City Journal
Indiana - South Bend Tribune
Florida - Daily Commercial, Florida Times-Union, Ft. Lauderdale El Sentinel, Ft. Myers News Press, Miami Herald, Ocala Star Banner, Orlando Sun Sentinel, Palm Beach Post, Tampa Tribune, Tallahassee Democrat, St. Petersburg Times, South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Michigan - Detroit Free-Press, Flint Journal, Grand Rapids Press, Lansing State Journal
Missouri - Springfield News-Leader
Nevada - Las Vegas Review-Journal/Sun, Nevada Appeal, Reno Gazette-Journal
New Hampshire - Portsmouth Herald News, Union Leader
New Mexico - Clovis News Journal, Hobbs News-Sun, Rio Rancho Observer
Ohio - Akron Beacon Journal, Canton Repository, Columbus Dispatch, Dayton Daily News, Hamilton JournalNews, Middletown Journal, Morning Journal, Springfield News-Sun, Toledo Blade, Youngstown Vindicator
North Carolina - Charlotte Observer, Raleigh News & Observer
Pennsylvania - Bucks Co. Courier Times, Erie Times-News, Morning Call, Philadelphia Inquirer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Reading Eagle, The Patriot-News
Virginia - Sun-Gazette, Virginian-Pilot
Wisconsin - Green Bay Press-Gazette, Janesville Gazette, Journal Times, La Crosse Tribune, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel)

[Starry Messenger]

338. They claimed it was just paid-for advertising.

It reeks.

[Initech]

309. Holy fucking shit!

:wow:

[AnnieBW]

313. Sue David Horowitz!

And whatever foul organization is putting out that trash!

This is NOT America!

:nuke:

[uppityperson]

315. kick since too late to rec

[reggie the dog]

324. Probably not Republicans,

most of the victims were Iraqi refugees. Republicans would not hurt their allies, the Iraqi people, would they?

[JonLP24]

335. you know what makes me mad

The pro-Iraq war people hating muslims don't realize muslims and other third country nationals are working for us over there!!! Many are doing dangerous missions with no gear, no armor, for 500 US a month!!

[Azlady]

343. I jused received in the mail today

I am so angry I could spit... I guess they are sending from voter information. I am not going to watch this terrible DVD.

With regard to helping the community and believers of Muslim Faith, perhaps getting in contact with someone like Michael Moore to expose the truth about the beauty of the faith & their beliefs, there are radicals in almost all faiths. But also expose the group for what it is and what their true agenda is... geez I am so sick this crap. Why can't we all just get along...