Mccain says "horseshit" on national tv during debate???

[DearAbby]

McCain loses his temper and says it not once, but twice. See the video, you be the judge



http://www.opednews.com/articles/McCain-says-Horseshit-on-by-Steven-Leser-080927-121.html

[Windy]

1. I watched the clip and moved it back to that point twice. No question, he said it. nt

[marylanddem]

2. Clearly he's saying "horseshit"

ain't the internet wonderful?

[chelsea0011]

3. Looks like horseshit to me. FCC fines should be coming down.

[Pab Sungenis]

24. Let's all complain to the FCC.

Force the networks to keep John McCain on a seven second delay.

[FirstLight]

37. Here's the LINK!

http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm


I also started a new thread for thos who will complain about this

McCain can get fined PER WORD, PER NETWORK

let's give this some legs

I also posted the fcc link at Youtube!!!

[beac]

71. I filed my complaint online and will call on Monday too.

;)

[LaPera]

75. My six year old was watching McCain on TV & has now started saying "horseshit" oh my, my ....

How many republican said their young children wanted to know what a blow job or what oral sex was - After Clinton received a blow job from his consenting adult girl friend....The republicans and their media went nuts.

[chelsea0011]

104. Done! Thanks. asked them about the children listening to the debate.

[peekaloo]

4. most of what comes out of his mouth is horseshit.

explains the teeth coloring.

[AirmensMom]

7. ...

:spray:


:rofl:

[Odin2005]

39. You owe me a new keyboard!!!

:spray: :rofl:

[LWolf]

106. It's not horseshit.

It's bullshit.

Horseshit is relatively, for shit, inoffensive. I deal with a yard or so every day. No big deal.

Bullshit, on the other hand, is sloppy, stinky, and just a mess.

Calling what McCain is spouting "horseshit" is an insult to good, clean horseshit.

[DearAbby]

5. Obama got to him....

muffled giggles

turns into

outright Guffaws!!! :rofl:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

6. I definitely heard it.

And it occurs when McCain stopped grinning awkwardly.

[annabanana]

8. Oh yes he did!

No question about it.

[AirmensMom]

9. Looks and sounds like it to me.

:shrug:

[DearAbby]

10. Oh Man...rate this sucker up....

I have never asked for people to rate my thread...but this HAS to be seen!

[Vickers]

11. Wait...what was the question way back when?

"How will I explain this to my CHILDREN???"

/hand-wringing

:rofl:

[DearAbby]

12. Oh Horseshit....

I'll wring my hands with you

on edit...Is horseshit worse than cowshit or bullshit? Dogshit is hardly anything to worry about, unless its a dog as big as a horse?

[barbtries]

he said it

that's according to both of the people in this household.

[Sydnie]

13. He's saying "of course" ... at least that's what I'm hearing now and what I heard last night too nt

[texastoast]

16. Nope. Look at the video carefully

The official transcript says of course, but that is so not what he said.

[halobeam]

19. you can hear the "sh" sound....

edit: in re-thinking this; I can only imagine "of course" with a "sh" sound, if his Fixodent failed.

[annabanana]

20. Watch it.. you can read is lips...

clear as day.

[NoQuarter]

33. In what possible context

could "of course" apply here?

Seriously.

[Phentex]

43. as in "of course you think that"

"of course you'd say that...."

On what planet would McCain *not* be able to refrain from swearing during a debate like this?

This is really reaching for something that is totally far-fetched.

And do you really think Obama would NOT saying something in response IF McCain swore? Do you think he'd just keep going and not take advantage of a major slip-up like that? Why wouldn't he say something like, "Hey, John, settle down!"

[Quantess]

100. McCain was a POW, in case you haven't heard.

It is really normal for persons with PTSD to have trouble with impulse control.

Obama probably already knows, and is giving McCain a break. Just kidding, Obama never heard any of McCain's muttered profanities, anyway.

[beac]

70. No, he didn't. And it wouldn't have made ANY sense for him to say "of course" either. since

Obama was saying he 'refused to meet with Spain' at the time McCain said 'horseshit.'

[Heather MC]

108. I watched the debates a second time that was the only time he said

something under his breath
And I am sure the Media will try to protect him
either way he sucked in the debate
and showed his true Asshole nature

[GoesTo11]

14. What a pig.

This is a debate about our nation's future. Stop your potty mouth, Mr. 72 year old.

[texastoast]

15. He definitely said horseshit

Now there's a cool head for ya. That would look so good at international negotiating tables.

:sarcasm:

[Texasgal]

17. OMG!!!

GREAT FIND! :rofl:

[FirstLight]

18. Soooo, how do we get the FCC on this? HERE's THE FORM!!

Where do we write? do we send the clip to KO or Rachel M for some exposure?

let's go! I want this idiot EXPOSED for the Grumpy old fart he is!


EDIT TO ADD : http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm

FCC ONLINE COMPLAINT FORM!!!!!!

[TroglodyteScholar]

21. He's saying "of course"

I'm not one to defend McCain, but there's no way he's saying anything but "of course."

[annabanana]

22. nope... lip readers agree... it's "horseshit". . .n/t

[TroglodyteScholar]

56. Lip readers agree?

I challenge anyone to pronounce the word "horseshit" while making the F/V formation of the bottom lip and upper teeth like McCain does in both instances of this utterance.

I don't know who these supposed lip readers are that claim he's saying horseshit, but I can say with certainty that they suck at reading lips.

[girl gone mad]

44. I heard horseshit.

It was pretty loud.

Obama said "of course" around the same time.

[Realityhack]

96. It is hard to make out with Obama talking. I would like to hear the mike feed form just McCain. n/t

[notadmblnd]

23. Yup, he said it

[nashville_brook]

25. i noticed that at the time -- he most certainly did. and, he said it twice. temper, temper.

[notadmblnd]

29. It wouldn't take much for Barack to cause McCain's head to explode

I know Barack doesn't like to be mean and thinks that he should play nice with others at all times, but if he could just keep pointing out McCain's guffaws at the next debate; this old man would blow a gasket right on national TV. It wouldn't take much more pushing either, Obama almost had him there a couple of times last night.

[Hubert Flottz]

31. And think about that short fuse connected to the nuclear football.

The Maverick with the big W brand is coming unglued a bit more every day.

[DearAbby]

32. Indeed that is a danger...

and Obama should be pressing this as hard as he can. America can't afford a hothead in the office of President.

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. It's code word for the country with old men,.

[DearAbby]

28. "Horseshit"

Manchurian code word..."Stand up! Fight with me!" And the crowd erupted in cheers, waving walkers in the air, except those in 'Round-a-bouts'...

[The Backlash Cometh]

30. Hey, don't mock.

It doesn't take much energy to work a touch screen.

[glinda]

27. "Horse shit" it is

I replayed it with the volume up and it does appear that that is what he is saying. EEEE gads!

[Misskittycat]

34. Listened to it twice; sounded like "horseshit" to me. n/t

[lonestarnot]

35. Looked like horseshit, sounded like horseshit, smelled like horseshit, I think he tasted horseshit!

:applause:

[Phentex]

36. It sounded like "of course" to me.

or even, "Course..." that got interrupted.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

62. why would he have said "of course" at that point?

it seems illogical

[Jokinomx]

38. Horseshit.... cowshit.... birdshit....it's the same shit that he spews everyday! n/t

:toast:

[Odin2005]

40. McLame IS horseshit! n/t.

[codjh9]

41. I wish he'd really blow his top and cuss like a Marine, which would hopefully piss some

people off.

[Odin2005]

42. OMG!!! He DID say "horseshit"

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[MomforObama]

45. I really think it was "of course", and his dentures were coming loose.

Wishing he said "horseshit", but after turning up the volume and zooming in to take a close look, don't think so.

[fascisthunter]

46. Swearing on National Television.... Not Presidential

a sign he can't keep his cool. Could you imagine how irradic this man will behave when we are in another crisis?

[bridgit]

48. McCain has no class, at least Cheney saves that crap for the well of the senate

[bridgit]

47. Look, this thing is going to get *very* nasty if it hasn't figured it out yet...

Which is why I prolly should stay off the Obama debate response team i.e. possible Obama response to almost anything Grandpa PoopyPants says,

"McCain...you're not 'my friend' so give that "horse-shit" a rest old timer. In fact you aren't friends with 75-80% of the people you claim to be friends with unless they're a lobbyist, war monger, war profiteer, or a financial donor now isn't that nearer the truth. As for the drivel that just sputtered out your wrinkled old lips and onto the poddium...you should have blown that BS out your nose instead you wacky old coot; in that it weren't but buggers & snot have you no shame!"

Yeah, that ought to do it. Pop the top of McCain's head off that is like a bottle cap :thumbsup:

[Quantess]

49. "of course" doesn't make sense in the context.

Not when he's looking pissed off, as Obama rips into him.

Think about it. Would McCain actually be agreeing, saying "of course" while Obama is filleting him?

Look at how pissed off he looks. You can tell he's not saying anything agreeable, like "of course".

He's muttering a profanity to himself, something he probably does all the time, and no one paid any attention before. But in a Presidential Debate, everyone is paying attention! Apparently, McCain has an ingrained habit of muttering profanities, and we got to see in on the national stage.

[Bluebear]

50. Thank you. He is not only an adulterer but a potty mouth. Some "values"!

[Phentex]

51. The words are used in different ways...

I can say to you, "You are sexist!" and you could say back to me "Of course, YOU would say that! You're some kind of paranoid feminist!"

Are you agreeing with me that you are sexist?

He could have been saying "of course you think that..." and got cut off twice.

And if he really did say horseshit, why didn't Obama immediately say something about it? Wouldn't it have been appropriate to point it out?

[Quantess]

53. McCain would have brought it up in a rebuttal, then.

Do you really think McCain was trying to interrupt Obama with a full sentence, starting with "of course"? Because to me, it did not look like he was intending to grab the spotlight from Obama and start rebutting.

McCain was not intentionally saying "horseshit" to be heard. It's clearly his habit to mutter profanities, and he let it slip Friday.

From Obama's standpoint: do you really think Obama should have stopped his powerful statement about McCain not wanting to meet with the Prime Minister of Spain, to say "excuse me, did you just say horseshit?" (If Obama even noticed McCain mumbled anything).

[beac]

72. But he wasn't 'cut off'-- Obama was speaking and McInsane was muttering under his breath.

He said 'horseshit', no doubt about it.

Obama didn;t hear it b/c he was talking, but WE heard it and you can hear it in the side-by-side clearly.

[TroglodyteScholar]

57. "Of course" is a perfectly natural phrase to launch a defense against Obama's line of attack

"Of course we would be willing to meet with Spain"
"Of course Spain is our ally"
"Of course Spain's contributions have been valuable"

etc

[Quantess]

58. True, but it doesn't look like he's launching a defense.

It looks like he's grumpily muttering a profanity, not expecting anyone to notice.

[TroglodyteScholar]

73. He may be stupid compared to Obama...

...but he's not stupid enough to mutter obscenities into the microphone at the first debate of the most important and visible campaign of his life.

He began to impulsively defend himself, but stopped himself both times when he realized that Obama wasn't going to pause to let him do so.

[Quantess]

85. Okay, I'll buy that. It definitely looked impulsive.

I think we know enough about McCain to say yes, he's more impulsive than most people.


Edit: A person can be intelligent AND have poor impulse control. This has nothing to do with "who is stupider".

[Quantess]

99. Hi, Concerned GA Voter. Maybe you haven't seen this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=193192

[eowyn_of_rohan]

74. he seems more and more unstable all the time

can't control himself

[Quantess]

86. It's called impulse control.

I was trying to think of the term earlier today. The pre-frontal cortex, if I remember correctly, is where impulses are regulated in the brain. PTSD is one of many causes of reduced impulse control.

[bertman]

87. He's a frickin' sailor for Chrissakes. Would you expect him to say "Doo doo"?

As much as I hate the bastard, I have to give him an attaboy for saying that during a National Presidential Debate.

As a matter of fact, I wish Obama had said horseshit when McAnus said he voted against torture AND veterans LOVE him.

[Quantess]

91. Notice that I did not place a value judgement on what McCain said.

I'm just calling it as I see it.

[The Gunslinger]

90. Not even close to of course.

Thats what FOX opinion network will say if the story breaks out.

[Quantess]

92. Well, then Fox will be reporting the truth!

For a change, LOL. Take it any way you want to, but the old coot sure is cantankerous!

[lib2DaBone]

52. Yes.. I am a "Moral Majority" Family Values Evangelical...

Born again responsibility-oriented fundamental voter... and I am highly offended

:sarcasm:

[redqueen]

54. This youtube clip has better audio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RfeFVFWFgk

[ailsagirl]

55. Now THAT'S class

[LiberalAndProud]

59. He said it, and he meant to.

This is 'cowboy talk', plain and simple. It will appeal to his base.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

60. "That's horseshit"

[bemildred]

61. "Horseshit" is a good word. Well attested. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. So he DID loose his temper... I was waiting for him to walk off the stage

serious....

[madinmaryland]

64. He said it twice!!

He mumbled "horseshit", then mumbled "That's horseshit"

:rofl:

[icnorth]

69. That what I heard...

about a dozen times. "Course" doesn't end with "it".

[Patsy Stone]

65. That's fabulous.

:rofl:

[WritersBlock]

66. We recorded the debate and watched it again tonight. He said it. Twice. Clearly. n/t

[dems_rightnow]

67. I'm not certain

Listened to it several times, and I'm just not certain.

[anigbrowl]

68. So what if he did? That'll just feed into his 'straight talk' meme.

It might be hypocritical and so on, but I doubt anyone here is truly offended by the word in and of itself. Making a fuss about this will be a free ad for McCain. Even if he did say it (something I'm not sure about) and there's unambiguous proof, he'll just say that he was angered by 'Obama's false accusation' or something like that. He's an ex-military guy, known for swearing, and it'll just reinforce his 'tough guy' narrative.

Dump it.

[Quantess]

98. So if it's true, we should "dump it"? For the sake of fellow Democrats.

Because we don't want to bolster an already strong Republican straight-talker, is that what you're saying?

But if it isn't true, then "we" made it all up (we're the Loony Left, so I hear). "We" should just drop it, because it will only "make us look bad".

So, either way, we lose. I love concerned DUers.

Just watch and judge for yourself. Figure out the truth first. You republicans can figure out how to spin it, later.

[anigbrowl]

101. That I disagree with you doesn't make me a Republican

You can bang on about this if you want, but it's just be regarded as tinfoil-hattery by most people, and will only reinforce the rabidity of his base. Attacking him over this is a complete waste of time.

Next time you disagree, kindly refrain from distorting what I said.

[Quantess]

103. Really?

"and will only reinforce the rabidity of his base.." whose base are we talking about, now?

It's okay. You don't have to tell me.

[anigbrowl]

105. MCCain's base. I thought that was obvious.

Whether McCain said horseshit or not, Obama's needling clearly annoyed him. Rather than going 'ZOMG did he say a bad word', I think what wins for us is to blow it off and let Obama keep rattling him. If he blows his top and swears right out loud in a future debate, that's great for us. If he just grumbles to himself that's still good.

My point is that the 'did he or didn't he' arguments won't make a good impression on the general public, nor will they cause nervousness among GOPers. Far better if Obama can lure him into a more overt public flash of temper, than trying to point out one that may-or-may-not be there.

[Quantess]

107. Okay, I was too harsh at first glance.

:hi:
I agree with you. You make a lot of sense. Thank you!

[needledriver]

76. Senator McCain is saying:

"Of course he is."

He was embarrassed. He was caught out in a Palin level gaffe. He didn't know who the President of Spain was, even after his questioner told him!

What to do?

Deny. Rewrite history.

"Of course he is the President of Spain."

Lather. Rinse. Repeat until the low information voter is confused enough to wonder if he ever really made the mistake in the first place. A classic tactic which doesn't work so well in the days of DVRs and Youtube.

This "horseshit" meme is, itself, horseshit.

Can't we discuss the debate on the merits of Senator Obama's stellar performance rather than reaching as low as this? It just makes us look stupid.

[Phentex]

77. And you also have to ask

Why would all of the transcripts have the words "of course" in them? None of them have typed out "horseshit" or even "expletive!"

That means every news outlet sharing the debate transcript has changed the word?

How is that possible?

[bridgit]

78. Well Tickle My Ass With A Feather!!

No, I saaaid, "We're having some fickle weather!" ;)

[Quantess]

93. Can't we discuss the debate on the merits of Senator Obama's stellar performance...?

Senator Obama was unintimidable, which may partially explain why he didn't hear the impulsive mumblings from McCain while he was speaking.

Have you seen the video clip? Why are you saying that pointing out the obvious makes us look stupid? Don't you have any idea how stupid Republicans look, in comparison?

[DearAbby]

79. I just ask...you be the judge.

Horseshit or Of Course...as for the transcripts, the media changes and omits entire parts to cover for the old man, what makes you think they wouldn't cover for him now? Jes sayin'

[bridgit]

80. A horse is a horse, of course, of course. And no one can talk to a horse of course...

Mr. Ed - Intro (Opening Theme)

[Postman]

81. If you play it backwards he says "Paul is dead"....it's weird.....

[Phentex]

82. LMAO!

I needed that laugh! :)

[mnhtnbb]

83. He was lucky his mike wasn't on.

[Poseidan]

84. a damn shame

Horseshit is one of the best expressions in the English language. Can't imagine giving McCain anything but credit for using it in a Presidential debate. This nation of perfunctory children though... war is a-ok, but cursing is the Devil's right-horn.

Btw, I approve of actual children hearing curse-words and using them. Show me a single, legitimate scientific study proving curse-words damage children.

[bertman]

89. I applaud you, Poseidan. And agree wholeheartedly.

[The Gunslinger]

88. I'm usually skeptical with soundbytes like that, but

there is no doubt he said it.........twice.........LOL

[Fovezer]

94. According to Olbermann, he said "course not, course not"

He said he heard it live. From Olbermann:

"It was "course not, course not" -- with his sibilant "s" it sounds like "coursh not, coursh not" -- I heard it live, wearing an ear plug, and I have a pretty good ear.

Of course regardless, even Pat Buchanan thought this was a brilliant ploy by Obama."


http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/9/27/1216/62905/262#c262

[Realityhack]

95. I want to hear the McCain only Microphone feed. It is too hard to tell with Obama talking.

It looked like it could be either too me.

[the blues]

97. I'm confused. Was that a tactic or a strategy?

[SmileyRose]

102. Laughing my butt off - shonuff he said it TWICE.