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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 01:42 PM
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REPUB REFRAME Of Illegal Pressure On US Attorneys Re: Voter Fraud Keeps Focus Away From REAL CRIMES!
Edited on Wed Mar-14-07 01:48 PM by kpete

Republican Reframe Of Illegal Pressure On US Attorneys re:
Voter Fraud" & not Election Fraud Keeps Focus away from Real Crimes



The scandal involving United States Attorneys/Prosecutors is continuing to get larger and may result in another Justice Dept. resignation and removal, perhaps Alberto Gonzales himself. In any case, the defense being offered by the White House, namely that there was a justification for firing for failing to investigate "Voter" Fraud is fascinating, and disturbing, in its emptiness.

To start with, the pressure that was placed to investigate "voter fraud" was so clearly going to cross the line into illegal pressure that United States Attorney John McKay had to warn the chief of staff for Republican Representative Doc Hastings (Ed Cassidy) that he was sure that he did not wish to "go there."

McKay testified in front of the Senate: "When Mr. Cassidy called me on future action, I stopped him and I told him I was sure that he wasn't asking me on behalf" of Hastings, McKay "because we both knew that would be improper. agreed it would be improper, and he ended the conversation in a most expeditious manner." http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003605090_mckay07m.html





And yet, note the INCREDIBLE reframing of "voter fraud":

Republican Reframe: Illegal pressure on federal prosecutors is actually grounds for firing those prosecutors because they did not respond to the pressure, as intended!

This is all concerning the 2004 elections, and in a nutshell there was pressure on these federal prosecutors to bring VOTER fraud prosecutions and they all refused and are now fired. (Voter fraud, as opposed to election fraud)

This approach however focuses the government's investigatory powers on the least likely places for abuse: individual voters who get very low payoffs (one lousy vote) in exchange for a felony, when it all takes place way out in the open, and creates a lot of evidence along the way.....

Of course, if one is going to engage in fraud to alter an election, any THINKING criminal will go to the sources that can deliver the desired RESULT: the ELECTION RESULT. This can only mean INSIDERS, or election officials and other government officials with access.



The chance here is not only to point out the absurdity of the Republican "defense" but to highlight how these nonexistent voter fraud issues emanate from the VISIBLE portion of our elections systems. But there is also a huge INVISIBLE portion of our elections systems that is unmonitored, and is where any reasonable criminal would operate. This is the realm of
trade secret electronic vote counting by private vendors, where democracy
itself has been outsourced, privatized and transparency eliminated. The realm of government insiders and their chosen vendors who exercise government powers without accountability.

By using the above visible/invisible dichotomy, and moving on to mention at least in passing secret electronic vote counting, we can get some factual messages out there about evoting and more importantly DEMOCRACY, right now through letters to the editor, etc. The unlikelihood of what the Republicans were pressing for, AS OPPOSED TO the much greater likelihood when there are huge payoffs like reversing entire elections that are available with evoting.



When you consider that successful election cheaters become officials, and even
election officials, shame should be cast upon those who try to focus the
defense of elections upon citizen voters as a class, who are the real
supervisors and bosses in a representative democracy.

Although nobody condones double voting, there is something unseemly about government SERVANTS turning the entire focus of our investigative police branches on the
citizens, when the #1 suspects in any election fraud will always be the insiders, who are the only ones with the power to deliver the desired result -- the election result.

Besides, anybody who thinks that elections are not at great risk year in and
year out must not love America or understand the attractions of power.


It borders on the most idiotic statements ever uttered, but there are still
those who try to claim that it is "paranoid" or "conspiratorial" to suggest
that ANYBODY would try to alter elections that are for the control of the
world's only superpower and the world's richest country...! What does
history teach in this regard??

For those that haven't read history books, consider that virtually all of us will (by inviting only our likeminded friends) stuff the electronic ballot box in an "unscientific" online poll.
When we do this, we don't care in the slightest that the result may be
rendered unrepresentative and even MORE unscientific because we want the
MORE JUST side in the poll to win. So, even without considering the fact
that American elections are for control of the world's richest nation and
sole military superpower, we can add to the list of suspects anybody who
REALLY STRONGLY BELIEVES JUSTICE IS AT STAKE in American elections. They
will want to stuff that ballot box in order to give justice and righteousness a chance!

So, while it is a good instinct to be suspicious about elections, being
suspicious about VOTER FRAUD is entirely misleading. Election fraud is
where it's at.

AND NOTE WELL: The systematic attempt to steer the focus of the federal investigatory and prosecutorial apparatus to focus on THE PEOPLE who at their very worst are extremely minor elements in election irregularities, and disproportionately on DEMOCRATS, as other writers have pointed out so well.


All those eyeballs in the transparent and visible portions of elections deter crime, that's one of the many good reasons why in August 2006 my Zogby poll revealed that 92% of Americans prefer a voting system where citizens can observe the vote counting and obtain information about it, as opposed to our present regime of secret vote counting through "trade secret" software.

So, now, where are we REALLY AT, WITH ELECTIONS?

Here's the Answer:

BEYOND STOLEN ELECTIONS TO STOLEN DEMOCRACY


While (to some) it may remain uncertain in some people's minds as to
whether or not 2004 was a stolen election, at some level we need not be too
fixated on those folks because some things even greater and more important
than that are beyond debate:

1. Even if a particular election isn't stolen, *our DEMOCRACY clearly
has been stolen,* in that the indispensable attribute of a
representative democracy is gone: namely, that the people are in charge and
the source of all legitimate power, and the government workers are the
servants. The public is undeniably no longer in charge at any level in
this country when the public can't see the vote counting, can't obtain any
information about it, and in most cases is held to have no standing to do
anything about it.
*
*In stark contrast, the counting of the vote is a piece of corporate
PROPERTY called a trade secret, thus showing that we are not talking about
corporate "influence" over our government we are talking about *corporate
OWNERSHIP of the HEART of democracy.* As with all forms of property, We
the People are being kicked out as trespassers, since property implies the
exclusive right to control (witness the Sarasota ruling upholding trade
secrecy rights as, apparently, being more important than the integrity of
that congressional election).

2. Even the critics agree that, based on secret vote counting, there is
*no basis for confidence in American elections*. ANY of them (elections),
if they are electronic. It may not pay to get bogged down in the specifics
of any given election dispute when even critics of exit polls as evidence of
irregularities in the 2004 elections are forced to and in actual cases
have conceded that there's no basis for confidence in the 2004 election or
any other election, *they just don't think the affirmative fraud case is
PROVED.*

We shouldn't and don't require anything more than "no basis for
confidence in elections" to justify emergency intervention to set the
election system straight.
*
*So, we should take back our elections, and now.

Why can't politicians find a way to servethe 92% that want to
observe election vote counting and obtain information about it,

*PARTICULARLY WHEN for politicians to do otherwise, is engaging in corrupt
self-dealing whereby politicians are directly voting that THEIR
OWN RE-ELECTIONS should retain electronic secret vote counting, an
undeniably corrupt and non-confidence-producing method of
election management.*

On 92%, see the Zogby poll press release at this link or google Zogby 92% for more results and analysis from this poll: http://www.zogby.com/News/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1163

This huge conflict of interest that politicians have, if brought into
the light of day, should mean that politicians are falling all over
themselves to find the most transparent possible system of vote counting and
elections that makes the 92% extremely happy.

I've recommended before that people meet with politicians, explain the
needs of democracy and the conflict of interest, and if they continue to
claim (as a few have) that the only politically "realistic" thing to expect
is more electronic secret vote counting, whip out your camera and get that
on film for the sake of posterity.

Because if a politician voting on their own re-election tells you that a transparent vote count is "unrealistic" that would mean that YOU WERE THERE when
they turned the corner even on a limited representative democracy and
thumbed their noses at the public, (i.e. at "government of the People, by
the People and for the People") telling We the People in the clearest
possible terms that the public is no longer in charge, and that the heart of
democracy is a wholly owned corporate asset, in the very most literal sense
possible.



Do you want America to be a wholly owned corporate asset, right at the very heart of representative democracy? If not, then every form of e-voting, optical scan to touch screen "DRE" needs to be voted out or, if necessary, relocated to Boston Harbor.



---Paul Lehto
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 01:44 PM
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1. Reframe it right back to them
as GOP hiding corruption by senior members of the GOP.
Use Abrahoff and Cunningham and the other similar situations to show they are trying to hide their own corruption problems. The public is sick of corruption by federal officials that earn 5-10x as much as they do.

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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 01:54 PM
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3. Failure to investigate voter fraud = failure to give in to illegal pressure/abuse of power!
Or, White House "defense" is that failure to allow them to abuse power is a firing offense!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 01:53 PM
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2. kick and thanks
good post
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 02:33 PM
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4. no no no, thank YOU for the kick, it feels good! : ) nt
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 02:43 PM
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5. Let's count the god damn ballots in Ohio already ! They're still there!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 03:41 PM
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6. Powerful words and good work, as usual Paul!
I've missed you around these parts lately, but was secure in knowing your you were out doing your part to save Democracy.

No hyperbole in that statement whatsoever, no matter how an election fraud enabler might spin it.

You are on the front lines, and I appreciate it. :thumbsup:

Recommended.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 05:08 PM
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7. thanks, i'm pinned down from time to time like a scene in
Enemies at the Gate (stalingrad film regarding snipers) but trying my best to the bloody end. or so it seems in my more dramatic and literary moments. ; ) Thing about fighting for democracy is that if you die trying, it's like, oh hey JOIN THE CLUB (and there's millions of members)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 05:50 PM
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8. It would be great to get the truth out about elections and sink Rove in one move!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 05:51 PM
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9. we are getting the truth out and Rove is sinking. Just not FAST enough for us!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 05:59 PM
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10. I admit I'm a little impatient, but it WILL be soooooo sweet when the truth is exposed.
Thanks Landshark!
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:12 PM
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11. nothing ever is.....
fast enough for us...kp
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:53 PM
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13. though we all try to work on our timing, speed, and delivery
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 09:52 PM
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17. The wheels of justice grind slow, but they grind exceeding fine,
or something like that.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:50 PM
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35. I can hear them starting to grind, and it's fine...
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 06:52 PM
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12. So....
it's kind of like getting arrested for refusing to go over the speed limit. But of course, if you go over the speed limit, you're in sheep doo, too.

These people drive me nuts with their spin. Of course they have to spin, because if they spoke plain, simple truths, they'd never get anything they wanted.

Great post, Paul!

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:18 PM
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14. Kick.(nt)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 07:42 PM
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15. HELL yes!
May this most cynical attempt to use the Justice Department to sway the election by smearing Democrats backfire in a BIG way.

Great post, Paul. This was a major fumble, and we can take this ball and run it a long way in the other direction.

:yourock:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 08:55 PM
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16. Bleever, long time no see! Take care!! nt
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:40 PM
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18. votER Fraud
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:03 AM
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19. K&R
This essay reads a bit like a "Best of Landshark" compilation of effective arguments.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:01 PM
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27. and at least one of the best of GuvWurld: "no basis for confidence"
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ends_dont_justify Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:07 AM
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20. I hope one day when dems take majority again...
Republicans are labeled as people who's political views revolve around other planets and so don't get to have votes here :) Is it just me or does it seem that they're completely incapable of seeing anything other than 'lefties and left-wing opinions are evil, must be smashed'?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:06 AM
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21. tap... R
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:14 AM
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22. That is the whole point!
:applause: Good one, Paul! :woohoo:


You've articulated the thing that most people can understand about elections; that anybody who is bucking the idea of transparency is OBVIOUSLY part of the problem! There is just no good argument for trying to take elections out of the hands (and eyes) of the people.

There have already been too many questionable elections under the OBVIOUSLY corrupt bush administration, and there is just NO COINCIDENCE THEORY that can say the election irregularities are not a part of that corruption.

Keep up the good work, Paul! Everyone that cares about election transparency needs to be writing letters to the editor for their local newspapers, and calling media pundits and newsroom editors to get more publicity on this. We also cannot slow down our calls to our elected officials...they've got to keep hearing about this. The fact that our primaries are starting this early, AND at a time when the fired U.S. attorneys are in the news...it's obvious election transparency is an idea that is primed for the times.

:kick::kick::kick::kick:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:29 AM
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24. Yes, can't trust any election if they won't even show you the vote count
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 08:30 AM by Land Shark
Thanks Loudsue!!
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 04:26 AM
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23. Reframe and Up the Ante: Firing offense was "Failure To Steal Elections"
Which creates the more compelling/urgent narrative of them inserting partisan thugs to Steal the Election of 2008.

This is the simple fact of what is happening.

And Rove himself becomes the "smoking gun." He has no portfolio other than election "manipulation." Or are we to believe he's some kind of expert on US Atty Qualifications?!? Let's see someone try to sell that.

The Narrative: The clearest "firing offense" described thus far is the McKay refusal to try to steal the Gregorie election in 2004. You add to that the plan to send the Rove minion down to be in place to use federal authority to swift-boat Hillary and the fact that New Mexico and Nevada were 2 states they failed to steal enough in 2004 to pass the smell test; and you've got a pattern of behavior.

Keep in mind that HAVA now makes voter rolls a federal responsibility -- as is any targeting of minorities (like the Native Americans in the Southwest). Also remember that it's not just specific results -- they learned from 2000 that they need a faux popular vote too (they "outperformed" the exit polls by 6 million) -- that means stealing bigtime in GOP controlled areas, which could only be checked by honest feds.

The "lesson from 2006" was the harsh one. That local Election Reformers had done so well that even "The Math" couldn't add up to enough successful thefts -- they'd need to take bigger risks, like this mass replacement of lawmen with outlaws.

Tell anyone who'll listen "It's About Stealing 2008, Stupid!"

That's a narrative with traction.

---
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:18 AM
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25. K & R most excellent post on most excellent thread. nt
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 12:07 PM
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26. ditto!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:04 PM
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28. OH '04: over 5.7 million votes cast and 4 documented cases of VOTER fraud-just saying...
and can we, as a nation discuss the REAL ISSUE of fair, transparent and verifiable elections.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:23 PM
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29. Look at WA State election contest for governor in 2004
both sides scoured the state and spent millions trying to find those dead and double voters. Not enough to change the closest gubernatorial race in state, and probably national history. Ultimately less than 100 vote margin out of approx 3 million cast.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:54 PM
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30. Kick.(nt)
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WeDemocrats Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:10 PM
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31. Great Article
This whole thing with the firing of the eight US Attorneys reminds me a lot of the Watergate scandal under Nixon.

Then the Republicans had a blatant disregard for the law, and we are seeing the same thing once again under the Geo. W. Bush Administration.

I believe Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales should be forced to resign immediately, and Congress institute hearings into who knew what and when. Also since we all know who pulls the strings Cheney and Bush should be impeached for not only this crime, but the long list of crimes committed since 2000.

The patriot Thomas Paine said, "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day so that my children may know peace."

Paul this is a very good, well thought out article, keep up the good work.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:12 PM
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32. Welcome to DU, WeDemocrats!
:hi:
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WeDemocrats Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:34 PM
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33. Thanks
Been reading a lot on here just haven't commented until saw Paul's article. Ron
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 06:56 PM
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34. thanks for breaking into the ranks of posters with a good substantive comment! nt
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 11:56 PM
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36. Yes, welcome ... and great quote
New to me.

Let's hope that maybe this will "remind" the DC Dems into some action, at long last. Torture, spying on Americans, not a peep.

But sidestep "Their Power" to blue-slip non-cronies for posh posts and it's "Oh, the Humanity!"

--
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:15 PM
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37. "Oh the Humanity" is a good observation, senator
except for the abuse of power angle and forced-focus away from the real crimes of the election (convictions finally hit in OHio for rigging the presidential recount in 2004), you would be 100% spot on with that. But, it's still a good comment.
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