debate thread three

[nadinbrzezinski]

here is two

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4101326&mesg_id=4101326

[Sydnie]

1. slight bump on McCain's Iran answer - very slight n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. missed this while trying to post

well we needed to know again about the lost war... folks this is psychological

And Obama is doing well on the graph with talking with our enemies

[Solly Mack]

3. McCain is channeling Bush

[kikiek]

4. Where is McCain's flag pin? How unpatriotic. He is a war monger.

[Duer 157099]

5. What did we learn from Iraq?

"We learned that we can't fight a war with a losing strategy"

Whaa....what??? Did he really say that????

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

6. OOOOoooo getting pissed

Grrrr, just let it out gramps, you'll feel better!

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. waiting for him to walk off the stage

he is really angry

[Solly Mack]

7. is McCain stroking out? All that slurring and stuttering

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. He has this uppity (yes he is thinking this I can bet)

telling him he's wrong

It's like the hired help

He's PISSED

[devilgrrl]

8. FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR

That's all he's (McCain) is about... :eyes:

[malaise]

9. McPOW is reallytoo old

This cold war approach to international relations is unacceptable

[HCE SuiGeneris]

10. he's gonna blow! Everyone don their plastic covers!

[Solly Mack]

12. Good one!! Turn Kissinger around on the fucker

[crickets]

22. That was sweet!

Now he's nailing him about SPAIN's prime minister and Johnny's confusion about them being a NATO ally. BWAHAHAHA!

If he says "Obama doesn't understand" one more time--and he's lying with his example. The "wipe them off the map" canard.

What was this about the heights of North vs South Vietnamese? What? ...

[Captiosus]

13. Aww, but I WANTED to invite them over for tea!

Damnit. :evilfrown:

[crickets]

14. ZING! There's a difference between preconditions and preparations

Even Kissinger has said we should talk to Iran without preconditions, preconditions can't be "do what I say or I take my ball and go home"

Obama just NAILED HIM.

[colorado thinker]

20. Why does he keep bringing up events

That happened 20 30 40 years ago? What relevance does that have to today's modern warfare?

Not to mention Reagan, Kissinger, ad nauseum.

[crickets]

26. I think it's because he's stuck in the past.

He's a cold war thinker.

[Solly Mack]

16. lololololo Bringing up Spain

[suffragette]

21. I loooove the way Obama isn't hesitating at all in going there

and calling McCain on all the BS he's been spewing.

BRILLIANT!

[Solly Mack]

75. Obama has gotten in some good zings!

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. aww... trying for a funny

now he is pointing and that is the classic body language of pissed off

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Oh and McCain is going for the Jewish vote

[Solly Mack]

19. sitting down with right wing religious whack jobs legitimizes them

but you love them now doncha John?

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Here he goes!!!!!!! watch the graph

[Darkhawk32]

24. McCAIN FACTCHECK: Kissinger said EXACTLY what Obama said....

ABC News' Rachel Martin Reports: Former U.S.Secretary of State Henry Kissinger today told an audience in Washington, DC that the U.S. should negotiate with Iran "without conditions" and that the next President should begin such negotiations at a high level.

The former Nixon and Ford U.S. Secretary of State early in the year indicated his belief that the U.S. should hold direct talks with Iran when speaking to Bloomberg Television.

Kissinger spoke at a CNN sponsored forum at George Washington University along with other former Secretaries of State Madeleine Albright, James Baker III, Warren Christopher and Colin Powell. The leaders were asked to pinpoint the major challenges the next president will face around the world and to offer advice about how to handle those critical issues. The secretaries named the fight against terrorism, restoring America's reputation abroad , re-building the country's economic power, and global climate change as a top priority.

When asked what specifically should be done to repair America's reputation and standing in the world, Powell, Baker and Albright all immediately said "close Guantanamo," referring to the U.S. detention facility. Powell added, "and I think that's something we all agree on."

While there was little direct talk about the presidential campaign itself, Madeleine Albright reiterated her endorsement of Barak Obama. Jim Baker expressed his support for John McCain. When asked who he is supporting, Colin Powell said he has great respect for both candidates but he's waiting to watch the debates before he makes up his mind.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/kissinger-backs.html

[Solly Mack]

25. I watched the Sec. of State talks on CNN. Kissinger did say that

[Sydnie]

27. McCain dipping well below the line with his demeanor and answer about Kissinger n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. It may be over for McCain... he is pissed and showing that mercurial

body language

He is all but cool and collected. Even the focus group is catching on it

The bar is telling the story and thanks by the way

[jayfish]

28. Parsing Words?

Project much? McShameful!

Jay

[Captiosus]

29. Earth to McCain: Kissenger paved the way for NIXON

to have some rather unconditional, Presidential level meetings in China.

Just sayin'.

[crickets]

48. I was thinking the same thing. -nt

[Mari333]

30. mmcain just lost his cool, how unpresidential is that.

[Captiosus]

33. The CNN.com charts were telling

Independent and Dems completely fell into the tank, Repubs went up, but only a bump. Not very high.

[Captiosus]

38. A K, G and a B!

Oh really?
I mean, is it like, tattooed on Putin's retinas?

Here we go with more posturing about with threat of force against Russia. Sadly he seems to be holding some independents with this warmongering crap.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. He's trying to regain it

but watch the lips...split screen shows Obama cool and collected

[NeedleCast]

32. good marks for Obama on Russia question

Independents much more in line with Dems than Reps

[Sydnie]

34. Obama picking up with the repub's on the Russia question

the graph is showing them responding well above the mid line

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. and now flat lining

[Solly Mack]

37. If that paternalistic fuckwad says "he doesn't understand" one more time

I'm reaching through the tube and pulling his craw

[Terri S]

39. damn... I was thinking the same thing

every time he says that I explode

[Solly Mack]

45. I know....barely containing myself here

[malaise]

42. It's deliberate

It's all about his sense of superiority and entitlement

[Solly Mack]

47. I know it is

but I still want to smack him and pull his craw out (chickens have craws)

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. This is the closest he can come to using the N word without using it

this is what this is about

Don't let the old man push buttons on this

Obama has maintained his cool

McHoover is trying to push him on that ...

The amount of code is amazing and McHoover is getting flustered

[Solly Mack]

50. Yes it is

and that is what he means

Great white father....

but I still want to slap the ever loving shit out of him

[crickets]

58. Dang, I noticed it as intentionally condescending but the code sailed over my head.

Now that you point it out, it's so obvious and so ugly. Disgusting.

I still want to slap the ever loving shit out of him{/i]

Let's form a running line.

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. the scary part is... others did

I have been waiting for him to say you uppity N... and he's quite flustered

He is getting more flustered

[Solly Mack]

63. Can you imagine the fight to be first in line? lolololol

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. I'll wait for you guys to be done with them old fart

after all he'll hate to get care from a Jew.

Never thought I'd say this, but I fear he'd hate that

[Mari333]

44. he is trying to be condescending on purpose

to paint obama as tho he has no experience ....it isnt working, it just makes him sound bitter.

[Solly Mack]

51. He does come across as insecure and scared

[Tigress DEM]

68. Um, Mc Cain, who is the one who can't tell a Sunni from a Shia?

[dmr]

40. Watch McCain's eyes -- he's getting cues from the sidelines n/t

[crickets]

41. McCain is all over the map about Russia

He shouldn't bring up pipelines when it comes to the way we treated "carpet of gold or carpet of bombs" Afghanistan. He's also lying about the Russia and Georgia conflict. LIES, LIES... and now, another anecdote.

Talking about how Russia behaves and proper "international behavior" when we are still in an illegal war with Iraq is really two faced.

[Captiosus]

46. 7 minutes until the end of the debate, give or take...

7 minutes until the MSM kiss McCain's ass copiously and declare him the winner.
Sigh.

[malaise]

55. If he knows the allies so well why has Gordon Brown broken precedent

and publicly supported Barack Obama?

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. nervous laughter from McCain

I think he knows he didn't do well

[Mari333]

52. mccain is coming unglued

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. 9.11 that works SHIT

[Solly Mack]

54. McCain supports torture and he's lying each time he says otherwise

[fascisthunter]

60. That Was a Bold Lie

[Solly Mack]

65. He's told it at least twice now tonight

[RufusTFirefly]

67. Indeed. How does he get away with that lie?! n/t

[barbtries]

56. ok i'm totally out of touch

never a mention of human lives. is it common knowledge and is it correct that american hegemony is desirable? is the whole world except for me on board with the opinion that our massive defense spending is actually necessary? i'm out of touch. empire is here. i am a serf, or a slave, or i don't know what. this debate is saddening me. maybe obama will be able to stop treading so carefully with his words once he's president. i don't know. sigh.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Reality is the last ten days... will force a retrenchment on empire

but none of these people can say that

[crickets]

88. You got it. It's what nobody wants to admit.

Obama skirted it by talking about being so in debt to China and how we are overfocused on Iraq to the detriment of all other foreign policy and domestic policy because of the expense, but it's the looming shadow in the room.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. THAT IS doing well with the peeps at CNN

across the board

[Terri S]

62. holy *%$@

"Star Wars" was a major reason for ending the Cold War????? omfg!

[NeedleCast]

64. WOW, Obama off the charts on final question

Got huge ups for that, even from Republicans. His best answer so far according to live polling.

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Ok watch McCain.... damn it CNN I want to see McCain

now that Obama is laying the facts

[barbtries]

72. cspan's got a split screen

mccain can't stand still

[nadinbrzezinski]

I realize that... the voice quivered now

watching CNN for the graph

[barbtries]

85. i never watched cnn

what did the graph cover?

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. Life reaction from an OH focus group

and I'd say Obama took it based on the focus group

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. Life reaction from an OH focus group

and I'd say Obama took it based on the focus group

[Solly Mack]

70. says the man who picked Palin as his running mate

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. voice quivered? He is holding it

what is next TEARS?

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Hit him on THAT LIE

[Mari333]

74. please god dont let mccain bring up that he was a pow

[Tigress DEM]

84. Just remember in 1992 he REFUSED to let OTHER POWs come home.

AND pushed a woman in a wheelchair because she had a picture of her husband ALIVE in a POW camp when McCain had said he "knew" there were no more POWs left.

His POW stance needs to be SERIOUSLY CHALLANGED.

[RufusTFirefly]

76. Knowledge and experience, Senator McCain?

Your choice of Sarah Palin speaks volumes about your knowledge and experience and your ability to make judgments.

[Captiosus]

Ok, Obama needs to seriously nail him NOW on McCain's votes AGAINST VETS

I'm sick of hearing how Vets love McCain when MCCAIN VOTES AGAINST THEM EVERY SINGLE TIME.

[tannybogus]

77. McCain is going to take his shoe off and bang it on the podium ala Kruschev. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

78. POW here we go again

[Terri S]

79. ding ding ding ---- POW !! n/t

[Solly Mack]

80. Why doesn't the POS just scream "I'm the GREAT WHITE HOPE - Vote for me!!"

His Klan supporters would love that

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. He's used the code

and we both know it.

I hate code

[Mari333]

81. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. And that closes this ....

and McCain CAME THIS CLOSE to exploding

See you Du'ers for the next installment of this