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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:22 PM
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Lehman Brothers dead, Merrill Lynch next
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 11:24 PM by FogerRox
x posted from D-Kos

by Stranded Wind
Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 11:28:27 PM EDT

It won’t hit the news until tomorrow or Monday, but Lehman Brothers, the nation’s fourth largest investment bank, is no more. They follow Bear Stearns, the fifth largest investment bank, who expired last April, and the next on the chopping block will be Merrill Lynch, the third largest. Seeing a progression here?

In other news, J.P. Morgan, who acquired Bear Stearns this spring, also just swallowed Washington Mutual, an S&L that would have blown the FDIC out of the water, had they failed outright. Watch for Wachovia, or National City, or Fifth Third Bancorp, as the next bodies to drop among the walking wounded in the commercial banking sector.

The bailout of Fannie and Freddie has entered the realm of public discussion ... and their demise as independent entities is going to bury many smaller banks that were holding their preferred stock.

All of this is part of $700 trillion in funny money derivatives get pulled back down to Earth; let’s consider this carefully below the fold.


Executive Summary:



Our banking system is hosed.

Supporting Data:



Go have a look at the Bank Implode-O-Meter and see who’s been naughty. Writedowns in the billions all around; no one was nice this year.

• Lehman Brothers - $67.2B
• Washington Mutual - $28.6B
• National City - $14.9B
• CIBC - $10.7B
• Bank of Montreal - $1.2B
• Deutsche Bank - $155.1B
• Goldman Sachs - $84.2B
• JP Morgan Chase - $20.1B
• Merrill Lynch - >$83.5B
• Morgan Stanley - $24B
• Bank of America - $51.3B
• Wachovia - $50.5B
• UBS - $92.5B
• Royal Bank of Scotland -$41.7B
• Citigroup - $144.5B
• BNP Paribas - $3.3B
• Commerzbank - $1.06B
• Societe Generale - $30.1B
• HSBC Bank - $27.7B
• Credit Suisse - $94.5 B


Interpretation of Writedowns



When an investment bank, which is not protected by the FDIC, makes a bad choice they’re playing with millions of dollars belonging to wealthy investors, institutions, pension plans, and the like. The writedowns of Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, and Morgan Stanley are of this type and this affects various bonds they’ve issued. When a commercial bank, which is protected by the FDIC, makes a bad choice they’re playing with a great many relatively small deposits that are protected by the FDIC. The writedowns of these banks can lead to the Office of Thrift Supervision sending a sternly worded letter that they need to get their balance sheets in order. Unlike sternly worded letters from the heads of Congressional committees if the OTS doesn’t get their way the FDIC swoops in and takes control of the bank, covering depositors, selling off assets, and winding up operations.

Implications of Writedowns



This is a real mess. $700 trillion in funny money is floating around out there and the real world only has $50 trillion in global GDP and $75 trillion in real estate. As it unwinds we face the mother of all deflations. Word is the between 850 and 2,200 of the 8,500 FDIC insured banks are toast. Pension funds all over the country bought AAA rated bonds that are going to lead back to piles of worthless paper sold on the concept that houses costing what no one could afford to pay were going to continue to climb in value.

Yes, I said deflation and I meant it. Bloviating bloviators on TV might talk about inflation, but that isn’t a factor ... yet. When a commercial bank, like Washington Mutual, posts a $26 billion dollar real loss, they go around and pull $260 billion in credit they’ve offered due to our fractional reserve banking. If you add up all the commercial banking negatives and then multiply by ten you find that credit is being destroyed at a prodigious rate. Pretty soon real money is going to be all that counts, and if you’ve got some you’d better have a weather eye on the problems the FDIC faces.

The dead banks will overwhelm the FDIC, which will go running to the U.S. Treasury. The fleeced pension plans become the problem of the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC), which will go running to the U.S. Treasury. The monoline bond insurers, who foolishly got engaged in underwriting bogus paper, will go up in a puff of flame and smoke, the credit rating of municipal bonds will fall back to the value of municipal revenue streams which are directly tied to those inflated housing values, and somehow all of that will end up back in the lap of the U.S. Treasury, too. That last one won’t be a "bailout", it’ll be federal dollars going into various state, county, and city programs, probably in a WPA "prime the pump" style fashion.

Oh, but because we already attached Fannie and Freddie to the treasury, basically bailing out compulsive gamblers while spreading the misery of ill advised mortgages across all taxpayers, our federal borrowing abilities, which we were abusing in the first place, are going to come crashing back to Earth. This is a systemic problem. Unless you’ve got gold and silver in your possession any ‘money’ or credit you might have is either going to get yanked completely by a stressed bank or devalued by the antics of the Bernanke and Paulson comedy team as they try to keep our rapidly deflating housing bubble up.

The housing problems we face recently crossed the line; no longer almost as bad as in the Great Depression, they’re now worse. It’ll take a little while for the runny, post binge shit that Wall Street just took to trickle down, Reaganomics style, but that trickle began a year ago August and it looks set to arrive in everyone’s awareness before Christmas.

Happy Holidays, you poor bastards, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart, both the sentiment, and the ‘poor’ part.

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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:24 PM
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1. we are so fucked.
might as well dance.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:41 PM
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9. Hey, TA!
Always on point! re: we are so fucked.

Something I say just about everyday when I read more news of the Banking Arrogance Realm & Fiasco (aka BARF :puke: )


Good to see you here, and everywhere! :hi:


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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:45 PM
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12. yeah ...
good to see you, too :pals:
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dogindia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:55 AM
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47. gramm, GRAMM, GRAMM, GRAMM and his connection to McCain
post from mrjj on http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

thank you mrJJ


McCain & the GOP Scewed America

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act.

53 Republican Senators plus one Democrat - AYE

44 Democrats no Republicans - NAY

The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, also known as the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act, Pub. L. No. 106-102, 113 Stat. 1338 (November 12, 1999), is an Act of the United States Congress which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, opening up competition among banks, securities companies and insurance companies. The Glass-Steagall Act prohibited a bank from offering investment, commercial banking, and insurance services.

The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (GLBA) allowed commercial and investment banks to consolidate. For example, Citibank merged with Travelers Group, an insurance company, and in 1998 formed the conglomerate Citigroup, a corporation combining banking and insurance underwriting services. Other major mergers in the financial sector had already taken place such as the Smith-Barney, Shearson, Primerica and Travelers Insurance Corporation combination in the mid-1990s. This combination, announced in 1993 and finalized in 1994, would have violated the Glass-Steagall Act and the Bank Holding Acts by combining insurance and securities companies, if not for a temporary waiver process <1>. The law was passed to legalize these mergers on a permanent basis. Historically, the combined industry has been known as the financial services industry.
...
Economist Robert Kuttner has criticized the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act as contributing to the 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis.<6> Economists Robert Ekelund and Mark Thornton have made similar criticisms, arguing that while "in a world regulated by a gold standard, 100% reserve banking, and no FDIC deposit insurance" the Financial Services Modernization Act would have made "perfect sense" as a legitimate act of deregulation, under the present fiat monetary system it "amounts to corporate welfare for financial institutions and a moral hazard that will make taxpayers pay dearly".

100's Of Banks WILL FAIL. The FDIC DOES NOT have enough liquid funds to cover the insured depositors. Of course the FDIC will go to the FED and get the needed money. Those funds Will NOT show up on the books as a deficit. The taxpayer gets screwed again.

"John McCain voted FOR the bank laws that led to the current credit crisis. John Mccain's economic advisor WROTE the law. 53 Republicans voted YES to the law. When you're in danger of losing your house, can you take a chance on more of the same from those who wrecked out economy?"
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:01 PM
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48. Insane and Failin
:scared: x(
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:09 PM
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60. BEARS
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:25 PM
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2. By Tuesday
this will all be blamed on the Denocrats...
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:42 PM
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11. Some will try to do that, but it won't work! Not THIS TIME! Pubs
have been in charge way too long, and it's too many months yet until Jan. If 2007 would have been the election year, it might have worked, assuming of course that a Dem would have taken office last Jan. But this BS has been coming and anyone who didn't see it was simply not paying attention. I'm no financial genius, and when I saw the kind of mortgages they were granting, and so many greedy speculators actually believing that real estate can continue rising 25%. 35%, and more a year was going to continue indefinately, I KNEW disaster was coming!

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:00 AM
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20. I couldn't believe how many of my clients were still able to get mortgages....
IT was unbelievable.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:36 AM
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37. Maybe because YOU were an honest broker? I've certainly heard
a lot of stories where the broker (either Mtg. or RE broker) advised their clients to LIE on the app! I think it was 60 Minutes that had a lady on who was losing her house, and they asked her if she really believed she could afford that house when she bought it, and she said NO, but the mtg. broker told her over and over that she absolutely COULD! When they interviewed the mtg. broker and asked him if he had done that he said YES, but it his job to get mortgages for people and THAT'S ALL!

The lion's share of this mess is the fault of greedy lenders and stockholders, but there's sure enough blame to go around to many others too!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:29 AM
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35. And who removed the protections when they melded commercial
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 12:29 AM by lonestarnot
and investment real estate banking?
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:31 PM
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3. Yeah...and they wanted the Social Security money to play with too. Or is that different?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:31 PM
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4. I smell a run on banks SOON
I smell a depression.

This is what they are trying to avoid
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:40 PM
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8. My husband said that Jim Cramer...
...recently wrote an article, predicting "Depression II."

I'll see if I can find it.

This guy pretty much toes the corporate line--that surprised me.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:45 PM
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52. I recommend the AMSEC BF 2116 model. Its a beauty
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 12:51 PM by NNN0LHI
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:36 PM
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5. You mean Henry Paulson is not injecting several hundred more billions
...of tax payer backed dollars to give Lehman Brothers another 30-60 days of oxygen to make republicans look like they still know what they are doing? Well somebody has taken the hit and my guess is that it will be shown to involve fraud and a large number of common people will be taken down and not a just a few big shots. It will be your mortgage or your life scenarios being spread around like so many hundreds of decks of playing cards thrown up in the air.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:39 PM
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6. How do we know if our bank is vulnerable?
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 11:39 PM by TwoSparkles
Our bank is a small bank, in a small town, in Iowa.

How do I, and others, find out if our own bank is vulnerable?

I'm about ready to take all of our money, and just shove it under
the mattress.


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Captiosus Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:57 PM
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19. While I don't advocate a run on the banks, I don't see why you
shouldn't consider keeping your money in a jar under the mattress.

Remember learning in school that the reason we should keep our money in banks is because it allowed our money to "work" while being "safe"? That's what they taught me in all of my public schooling and even in my general education economics and finance classes in college.

Neither of those "facts" are true anymore.

Interest returns on interest bearing accounts are abysmally low so our money is doing a lot of work for someone else while seeing very little return on doing said work.

Our money is only as "safe" as the FDIC is. With the IndyMac shutdown the FDIC's vulnerability was shown very publicly and banks which were heavily invested with Fannie and Freddy are going to hit rough times, if not shut down all together, stretching the FDIC to a breaking point.

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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:35 PM
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50. My parents
Started doing that last year. Neither of them were around for the depression, but both were raised by parents whose lives were shaped by it.

They don't have much, but they don't trust the little they do have to any bank or credit union.

They're worried about their SS suddenly being cut off - I scoffed at that idea, but it isn't so far-fetched any longer.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 07:54 PM
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59. people who keep their money under the mattress get robbed
talk about dumb ideas, there are immigrant communities where it's known that people do this, and they are targeted for armed robberies and home invasions

not to mention what happens in case of flood or fire, you do understand that homeowner's insurance only covers $200 in cash? which is not worth the bother of closing our your bank account

years ago a friend decided to bury around 100K, needless to say the buried treasure vanished almost immediately, me, i suspect the ex-wife but who really knows?


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Tallison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:34 PM
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62. Makes me think of the guy who not just stole from ATMs, but stole entire ATMs
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 08:34 PM by Tallison
on 'Masterminds.' When he was busted, they found about a dozen in various states of dismantling in his garage. :rofl:
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:40 PM
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7. Explain to me why Merrill Lynch is going to fail.... they aren't invested in mortage secrurities....
As a financial guy, I'd love an explanation on that one.
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Trekologer Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:48 PM
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14. I don't know if it was packaged as a security
but a division of Merrill bought my mortgage earlier this year.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:48 PM
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15. "merrill's in a box, but people don't realize it"
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:56 PM
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18. 83 billion in writedowns ? Maybe....
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:00 AM
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21. That ought to do it!
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:41 PM
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10. Enron, Arthur Anderson, Country Wide, Bear Sterns, Leyman Bros.


Is a pattern emerging or is it just me?

When you go begging to the Koreans and
they send you packing you are truly shit
on a stick.
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Captiosus Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:47 PM
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13. I've been predicting this for 20 years.
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 11:48 PM by Captiosus
Ever since I learned in elementary school the rudimentary foundation of our economic system, I've been saying that it was going to collapse in grand fashion sometime in my lifetime. My entire 12th grade Government thesis, fourteen years ago, was based on this very topic.

Fact is we simply cannot base our economy solely on credit because credit is easily abused. Yet for as long as I've been alive, our entire international economy has been based on the saving and spending of "loaned" money.

The housing bubble was the official coup de grâce. The big boys ignored risk, repackaged the loans as the foundation of the economy. Now it's imploding on them and only now are we starting to see exactly how much their willful ignorance is going to hurt us all.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:53 PM
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16. JP Morgan should be safe, the Feds won't let it go down... they handle government money
and they handle most of the U.S. EBT accounts for food stamps and public assistance...

JPMorgan Electronic Financial Services, Inc. (JPMorgan EFS), which also holds the state's Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) contract for Food Stamp benefits and public assistance. EBT has replaced Food Stamps nationwide and public assistance checks in most states, including Arizona, with debit cards.

JPMorgan EFS is a leading vendor of government debit card and EBT services with projects in approximately 35 states and territories, the United Kingdom and South America. Benefits and payments that JPMorgan EFS makes available through its debit card services and EBT programs include child support payments, unemployment compensation payments, USDA Food Stamp program benefits, state cash benefits (TANF, general assistance), Social Security Annuities and Supplemental Security Income, child care payments, job training time and attendance, Medicaid eligibility verification, Women And Infant Children (WIC) nutrition benefits and payroll distribution.

The company is responsible for processing nearly 60,000,000 transactions and handling approximately $2 billion in funds in the U.S. each month, the large majority of which relates to governmental assistance programs.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2005_July_21/ai_n14812014



If I put my tinfoil hat on and wander down a dark alley, I have to wonder if they's let JP Morgan fail, just to wipe out a bunch of poor people in the process. /tinfoil


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:03 AM
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23. All the more reason to let them join the swill! Poor people shouldn't have money you know.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:54 PM
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17. We're in some deep doo-doo. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:02 AM
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22. UK telegraph story
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:04 AM
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24. i knew georgee was giving america
a greater depression.
IS IT A RECESSION NOW ASSHOLES?
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:08 AM
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25. Articles where they minimize the impact -- a bit over my pay grade --opinions?

But in the multi-trillion dollar world of global finance, Lehman is pretty small potatoes. It’s a mid-size U.S.-focused investment bank with a market cap of around $5 billion. There are a score of billionaires in Russia alone worth more than that.



September 10, 2008, 4:19 pm
Mean Street: Why Lehman Brothers Doesn’t Matter Anymore
Posted by Deal Journal
Yesterday’s precipitous 45% decline in the shares of Lehman Brothers took the broader U.S. stock market down by almost 3.5%

Today in the papers and on TV, it’s wall-to-wall Lehman Brothers.


So it would be easy to think the fate of our financial system revolves around the fate of Lehman Brothers. But it doesn’t. Far from it.

In the scheme of things, Lehman Brothers doesn’t matter much anymore.

And judging by today’s trading action, Wall Street may finally be figuring that out.

What is Lehman Brothers today?

It is, of course, one of Wall Street’s legendary brands with a storied history. And it’s a vehicle for more than 25,000 employees and their families to make a living.

But in the multi-trillion dollar world of global finance, Lehman is pretty small potatoes. It’s a mid-size U.S.-focused investment bank with a market cap of around $5 billion. There are a score of billionaires in Russia alone worth more than that.

Lehman has a reputable corporate finance practice and a decent asset-management business in Neuberger Berman. But at its core, Lehman has been a bond trading house. And poor trading decisions have left Lehman with a crummy balance sheet stuffed with over $50 billion in assets it can’t easily get rid of.

Today’s much-anticipated announcement of its strategic restructuring suggests there are no takers for the whole of Lehman. And that the only way to salvage the business is to sell off a chunk of Neuberger Berman and spin-off illiquid real estate assets to the current Lehman shareholders who already own them.

Lehman’s plan is a Wall Street version of three-card monte — lots of shuffling but the cards remain the same. Who knows? It might work. In today’s trading, Lehman shares held steady until a late-day sell off pushed them lower.

But the vultures are circling. A five-year credit-default swap on Lehman debt now costs almost 600 basis points. Bear Stearn’s spreads traded at 400 basis points last March. The credit markets at least believe Lehman is on the road to bankruptcy.

There must be a hope among shareholders that they won’t lose it all — and that a Bear Stearns-like bailout can be manufactured. But the Treasury’s takeover of Fannie and Freddie this past weekend has almost certainly put the kibosh on that.

Fannie and Freddie carry $5 trillion in mortgage debt. They matter a lot. Lehman matters only a little. Total losses at Lehman in a worst-case liquidation would number in tens of billions of dollars.

Eventually, the Treasury is going to have to pick and choose which bailouts are worth it. Washington Mutual, the largest S&L in the US, would probably qualify but Lehman almost certainly won’t.

The Treasury needs to show that it can walk away. And with the Fed’s financing window in place, and eager buyers like KKR, Blackstone and distressed debt funds waiting in the wings to pick up pieces, a wind-down of Lehman would be relatively orderly — should it ever come to that.

This marks a big change from the Bear Stearns crisis. The Bear near-bankruptcy took everyone by surprise and risked taking down all of Wall Street. Seven months later, Wall Street has had plenty of time to isolate and manage its counter-party risk with Lehman. That’s good for Wall Street, but bad for Lehman shareholders.

The sad reality is that Wall Street is an awfully competitive place. Of the top ten global investment banks ranked by 2008 revenues, Lehman sits at number nine. There are still plenty of other banks and boutiques to chase the meager scraps on Wall Street’s table.

So Wall Street really doesn’t need Lehman Brothers. And neither does the stock market. It traded well today despite an unenthusiastic response to Lehman’s announcement.

Over the past year, Wall Street has gotten so caught up in the plight of its own failing institutions that it has lost focus on other important things.

Do you want to understand what’s really going on in the economy? Better to look at global shipper FedEx. Yesterday, it boosted its first quarter forecast. If you want to understand the consumer, look at Disney. Earlier today, Disney’s CEO talked up the resiliency of his business.

That isn’t to say, that all is hunky dory in the global economy, but the case of Lehman may mark a turning point for Wall Street.

Once it is clear that Lehman Brothers doesn’t matter anymore, Wall Street can better focus on the things that do.


September 14, 2008
Banks and U.S. Map Out Options in Lehman Crisis
By VIKAS BAJAJ

Fearing that Lehman Brothers is only days away from collapse, government officials and senior Wall Street executives met on Saturday to try to arrest a downward spiral that might imperil other financial institutions.

For a second day, the group convened at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in Lower Manhattan, but the situation remained fluid, and the talks were set to resume on Sunday morning .

Adding urgency to the meeting were growing concerns that other big financial institutions like the insurance giant American International Group and the nation’s largest brokerage firm, Merrill Lynch, might face a similar crisis and also need billions of dollars in capital to strengthen their businesses. The group discussed the financial condition of other firms beyond Lehman and the overall state of the markets.

The spreading troubles were the latest sign that even the government’s extraordinary interventions into private enterprise during the last year have not been enough to halt the unraveling of storied companies that were widely viewed as unassailable until recently.

In fact, Lehman and other companies have said for months that they had a handle on their troubled assets tied to real estate. But their share prices have continued to sink. As a result, many investors are no longer sure what these financial companies are worth, and they do not want to invest in them until they do. At the same time, many hedge fund managers and other traders have profited handsomely from bets that these stocks would fall in value.

Companies that took the biggest risks and used debt aggressively to build their businesses were the first to stumble as the credit market began to sink, and now healthier companies are coming under pressure. Loans that were considered far better than the subprime mortgages, which kicked off the panic, turned out to be only marginally safer.

“You have to think of this like there is an epidemic going on — an epidemic of capital destruction,” said James L. Melcher, president of the hedge fund Balestra Capital, who has been bearish on the stock market.

The federal government has taken an unusually activist role in the ongoing crisis. This spring, the Federal Reserve arranged a hasty rescue of Bear Stearns, the wobbly investment bank. Then last week, federal regulators took over the country’s two largest mortgage finance companies.

At every turn, officials hoped that they had done what was needed to restore confidence in the markets, only to be greeted with another crisis.

Policy makers have signaled that they are not willing to provide financial support for a takeover of Lehman, as they did with Bear Stearns. Unlike Bear Stearns, which lost many clients and its access to money markets in just a few days, Lehman has been able to finance its business, especially after investment banks were allowed to borrow directly from the Fed. But the quality of the securities it owns are still in question.

The Fed and Treasury continue to insist that Wall Street firms find a way to rescue Lehman because their own companies might be next. But the Lehman crisis comes at a time when many of them are also short on capital. Entities that do have cash ready to invest, namely private equity firms, are not at the table.

That is because regulators do not want those firms, which borrow money to buy companies, controlling major financial institutions that provide the financing for their acquisitions. Many foreign investors, for their part, are reluctant to buy now after having seen earlier investments drop sharply in value.

The decision by policy makers sets up a crucial test for the financial system: Can the market resolve the panic by pairing Lehman with a willing and strong suitor, or will the company be forced to liquidate?

Whatever the outcome, there is a growing consensus on Wall Street that the government may not be able to save every big firm whose failure would pose a risk to the system.

“The too-big-to-fail mantra or concept or government policy is, in my opinion, off the table and we have to deal with that,” said David H. Ellison, president and chief investment officer at FBR Funds, a mutual fund company. “They are not going to save these companies.”

Analysts say many financial companies, including the insurer A.I.G., need to raise capital. But every time their stock prices fall, raising capital becomes harder. And when that happens, bondholders and credit rating companies start worrying too. Stock prices fall even further — and the whole cycle repeats again.

On Friday afternoon, for example, Standard & Poor’s warned that it might lower A.I.G.’s credit rating because the drop in the company’s share price — 45.7 percent last week alone — could make it even harder for the company to raise capital.

That partly explains why markets in general, and financial shares in particular, are gyrating ever more wildly. Even after the Bush administration took control of the mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac last week, a step many thought might calm investors, trading remained volatile.

“Investors are like hyperactive first graders playing musical chairs,” said Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at Standard & Poor’s Equity Research.

The government, for all its activism, has been unable to stabilize the markets for long — though policy makers would argue that their interventions have prevented failures from cascading through the financial system.

After the Federal Reserve arranged the emergency sale of Bear Stearns to JPMorgan Chase in March, the stock market rallied and many strategists and executives on Wall Street declared that the deal was a turning point.

Stocks also rallied on Monday after the Treasury Department and federal regulators took over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, only to sink the next day as investors grew more concerned about Lehman, A.I.G. and Washington Mutual, the nation’s biggest savings and loan.

Downturns are typically more volatile than the booms that precede them, strategists say. Investors try to anticipate the recovery, though the actual turning point is often visible only in hindsight. But after a lot of bad news, some investors usually dive in, believing that the markets have reached a cathartic, cleansing moment.

“There are lots of investors that don’t want to miss the absolute bottom,” said Allen Sinai, a former chief economist at Lehman Brothers who now has his own research firm, Decision Economics. “Unless you are a professional trader, and even then, it’s a very dangerous philosophy.”

Many of the fundamental forces in the economy remain worrying. Home prices are still falling, though their rate of decline appears to have slowed in recent months. Defaults on all kinds of loans are rising. In the broader economy, the unemployment rate is rising and consumer spending has been faltering.

The losses created by rising defaults have impaired the ability and confidence of banks to lend to one another and to consumers. As financial institutions rein in risk-taking to protect themselves and preserve their dwindling capital, interest rates go up, lending standards tighten and credit lines are capped or severed.

“Every time there is another problem, it causes lenders to become that much more conservative, which then puts the squeeze on someone else,” said David A. Levy, the chairman of the Jerome Levy Forecasting Center, a research firm in Mount Kisco, N.Y.

Many analysts believe that for the downward spiral to be broken, home prices must fall to a level that can be supported by factors like household income that have traditionally had a strong relationship to prices. Also, the government has to determine how it will restructure Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which own or guarantee half of the nation’s home loans, said Thomas F. Cooley dean of the Stern School of Business at New York University.

“We have to hit the bottom in housing prices,” he said, “and we have to just sort out how housing will be financed in future.”

Jenny Anderson contributed reporting.

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:14 AM
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28. Lehman Brothers should be announced sunday
the markets will like that on monday morning
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:32 PM
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49. Anything yet?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:08 AM
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26. All hands on deck. MAN THE PRINTING PRESSES!
I suppose that's the only solution left.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:10 AM
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27. Think they are talking to suitors ...
Must be some luvin for them somewhere..
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:17 AM
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29. like dominos falling
and when the last one falls, it will squash us

do you know why Bin-Laden hasn't launched another attack on US Soil? Because he doesn't have to - bush and the republicans are destroying OUR country for him.

Bush, McCain, Republicans - the FISCAL Terrorists
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:21 AM
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30. This is why you don't mix commercial and investment banking...
Those firewalls existed for decades FOR A FUCKING REASON!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:23 AM
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32. And the republicans removed them over the last ten years or so
they were put in place after 1929... and that was the reason
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:41 AM
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39. Correct
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:22 AM
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31. Yesterday I got a letter from my bank assuring me that my money was safe
and they were financially sound. Not a good sign if banks are trying to reassure their customers that all is well.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:27 AM
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34. I received one of those too a couple of weeks ago. And here I thought
I was special. :evilgrin:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:25 AM
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33. So the dollar will be worth little to nothing, what good will stuffing the mattress do?
One world currency next?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:39 AM
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38. 1920's In Germany you spent it as soon as you could
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:45 AM
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40. Should we expect hyperinflation too?
Credit for goods will be unobtainable right, so not much will be produced, so we won't be able to buy OR sell or am I wrong?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:57 PM
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55. Better to have a little of something than a lot of nothing
Thats the way I look at it.

Don
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:30 AM
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36. Does this mean that I should withdraw my money from my bank account?
I'm really worried...
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:53 AM
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41. Roving bands of families sleeping on the streets !
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:58 AM
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42. The Great Depression 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:26 AM
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43. Oh, come on guys, relax! Don't you know most of our economic problems are just "psychological?"
It's just a mental recession!



:eyes:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:34 AM
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44. Bankrupt -- morally, fiscally, and ethically.
All orchestrated by the neocon "Pearl Harbor" event. I keep wondering... just how much will the American people take. How much is too much?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:48 AM
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45. They will continue to take all of the slave labor machinations until they are dead at least the
stupid ones.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 11:53 AM
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46. kick
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:37 PM
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51. Let them ALL DIE.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:50 PM
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53. You do realize what that means, don't you?
No you don;'t... if you did you;d not even think something THAT stupid
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:54 PM
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54. Lehman was discussed as "high risk" back when Bear Stearns collapsed
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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:18 PM
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56. Uh oh.
I've got a pile of dough invested with Merrill Lynch.

If they go down, does that mean my money goes poof?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 07:48 PM
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58. You might only have a week or 2.....
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 04:08 PM
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57. kick
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:26 PM
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61. I find this news to be
very alarming.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 08:47 PM
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63. If Merrill Lynch Goes down
That will it, wont it? It will be the 30's all over again.
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