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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:50 PM
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This woman does not like her kids
How long has she been away from that baby and she still hasnt picked it up.

Thats fucking creepy!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:52 PM
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1. Gave birth to a severely disabled person & shoves off to give idiotic
speeches. Fucking useless piece of shit.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:54 PM
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2. She's a Horrible Mother and I truly believe that
I wouldn't have had my kids out there as props they could have come out at the end like Michelle did with her girls. Then all that noise and all those germs and she's got this special baby out there. When did they change his friggin diaper. She is a horrible mother!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:54 PM
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3. But...but...she didn't have an abortion!
We all know that commitment to those who have been born is not a part of the Republican platform.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:57 PM
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4. Out of the two, I can tell you who should have been aborted.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:57 PM
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5. her kids are losers, i don't like them either
not that i'm defending her, from what we know they are losers because of her choices (example -- refusing to educate her daughter about how to prevent/end unwanted pregnancy so you won't be a baby having a baby, refusing to accept that as an over-40 birth mother you have to get tested to see if your baby will have a fair chance at a normal life etc)

if you have babies because of ideology rather than out of love, why would you love them? i wouldn't expect her to love them, they are just disasters that happened to her and now she must slog through

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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:01 PM
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7. Apparently she did get tested,
because she knew from early on it was going to be a "special needs" baby.

But I keep on wondering who is actually minding the baby. Plus, she's probably not still breast-feeding, even though that's the best thing you can do for at least the first six months, and better yet a year.
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DemoRabbit Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:05 PM
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9. If I remember correctly...
Testing for Downs is STANDARD pregnancy testing (early 2nd trimester I think)... ESPECIALLY in women over 35.
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:10 PM
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10. No, it's not STANDARD. There is a screening test, but you have the right to refuse it.
The gold standard test for Down's is amnio, and believe me, having that needle stuck in your belly is not STANDARD.

FWIW, I had my second child at age 40. No, I did not have the screening test (false positive rates are too high; the screening is worthless, imo), and no, I did not have amnio. All I had was a level 2 sono at 17 weeks.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:22 PM
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14. No. I am 35 and had a baby 7 mos ago. I refused the test. It was optional. n/t
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:19 AM
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22. I do not believe it is standard.
When I had my second child I was going to be 38, and it was offered to me but I turned it down. Things may have changed.

However, whether standard or not she apparently was tested and did know well ahead of time that her baby would have Down syndrome.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 03:18 AM
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34. It's recommended, but not mandatory.
I had my first baby at 36 & the second at 38, & I had amnio both times. I now have 2 beautiful, healthy daughters. Amnio is performed at 16 weeks, if you choose to do so.

I think there are now prenatal tests that can be done in the first trimester, too.

I can only speak for myself, but if I had 5 kids, including a special needs infant, a pregnant teenage daughter & a son about to ship off to Iraq, I'd be concentrating on my family, not running for public office.

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bedazzled Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 06:16 AM
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36. maybe they're not complete losers, they just have rotten parents
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 06:18 AM by bedazzled
not to be a bleeding heart or anything, but if you
have a child with a 2.0 grade average, either he/she
has a learning disability or resentment of their
parents' lack of attention. special help and attention
is needed in those cases. same with the older daughter.
she's obviously never had a positive education about
the responsibilities of sex, and wants to get her
parents' attention.

maybe they are totally rotten, it happens, but i think
they are signalling their resentment at their a--hole
parents.

it's unfortunate that the drug-addled mouthbreathing
thug majority can mentally accept this train wreck of
a family as an all american religious family. pathetic,
really...

and i think it's true that she doesn't like her kids.
they have grown up to be liabilities, not helpful
accessories to her grasping for power.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:57 PM
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6. I was thinking about that last night.
That beautiful baby, and a special needs child, without his mom. Maybe she has a nanny?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:17 PM
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12. Looks to me like its bristol
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:34 PM
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:03 AM
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17. Down's Syndrome Children have a beauty all their own......
but you can only see it in the 'stillness of heart' that only love knows.

You can't see/appreciate it if you are running around in the world trying to make a 'name' for yourself, rather than a home for your yourself, your SO, and your child/ren.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 01:02 AM
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30. Wonderful post
Very insightful.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:16 AM
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20. he is very beautiful


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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:28 AM
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26. Besides, look,
his mommy and daddy adore him. Look at daddy giving him a kiss on the head, that's so cute! Kid is okay.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 01:43 AM
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31. Look at that bottom/second picture.......and tell me you don't know
'who's the mother' of that boy. It doesn't take the wisdom of Solomon.

M_Y_H
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:16 AM
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21. I'm no expert, but have a family member who has Down's and he is the sweetest, most loving person
you would ever hope to meet. And his life seems very full of hope, nothing at all like what you've described. Of course, his parents are also very loving and have worked very hard to give him every opportunity (in spite of the cutbacks in financial services). He was their first child, born while they were still in their 20s, so no amnio was performed.

I have no respect whatsoever for Gov. Palin, but I wish all the best for her children. They can't help being born into that miserable family. At least SHE had a choice, something she would deny the rest of us.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:19 AM
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33. They're called "kids with something extra" for a very good reason.
I've known a couple of Downs kids and have found the interaction with them to be extraordinary and heartening. While there's an ENORMOUS burden on the parents and family, it's not without some very special rewards, it seems.

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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:26 AM
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24. Every life is precious. Every single one. Every spider, every fly, and every Down Syndrome child.
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 12:28 AM by cherokeeprogressive
Your post exposes a slippery slope in thinking. Where is the "cutoff" in which we decide who lives and who dies? Blindness? Deafness? Mute? Missing or disfigured limbs? It almost makes me think of eugenics. No, I take that back. Eugenics is exactly what you seem to support here.

There is a certain popular poster on DU who was a Down Syndrome baby. How would you be able to look THAT person in the eyes after posting this? Does prenatal testing show the degree of function that the baby will be able to achieve?

I grew up with a kid in Norwalk, CA, who HAS a brother with Down Syndrome. Gachi is now 55 and is the darling of the neighborhood and always has been. He knows each and every one of us by name. These days I might see him at most once a year. He still knows who I am and never fails to run to me and give me a hug. And I'm only one of the people he knows. On any given day you can find him sweeping the sidewalk in front of his mom's house (he outlived his own father) and waving at cars that go by. He stops the "ice cream man" when the truck comes and buys ice cream for the kids in the neighborhood. His mom puts money in his pants pockets for that. He's fastidious, polite, courageous, loving, and wouldn't harm a fly.

I'm not offended, just concerned. I hope there aren't too many people who think like you, or else future generations won't encounter a person who enriches the lives of those around him like Gachi has.

FUCK this place makes me sad sometimes.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:27 AM
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25. Actually, he's pretty typical Down Syndrome cute
They aren't Gerber cute, but cute in their own way.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:35 AM
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27. WAIT A DAMNED SECOND. Sorry, but you're way the hell offbase here.
I spent a few years working with the physically and mentally challenged, including quite a few Down's kids and young adults. I never met one - even the most severely affected - who couldn't think, who wasn't a complex human being, who wasn't capable of discovery and love, and who was incapable of hope. Not one.

You should maybe educate yourself a little more before you post this sort of thing. It's powerfully offensive.

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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:58 AM
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28. you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Fuck off
seriously- how you have managed to stay here is beyond me but you may have blown it this time.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:03 PM
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8. I think the pix of her holding the baby tell a story, too.
When I see pix of her with the baby, she doesn't seem attached to him very much at all. I suspect she's avoided feeling attached to him so she'll have an easier time leaving him. I wonder if that has been true with all her kids. The oldest don't seem all that attached to her values.

I've seen more enthusiasm and love in pix of teen girls with their prom corsages.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:22 PM
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15. I dont think she actually likes her kids.
I think they are props for her. I feel sorry for the kids.

I really have not seen her be warm with them once yet.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:16 PM
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11. Sarah Palin is wierd.
Hillary is so much more normal. And Hillary's relationship with Chelsea is obviously excellent. You can tell that Chelsea respects and adores Hillary. Chelsea studied at school and has done well. She did not get pregnant as a teenager. Sorry, but, "By their fruit, ye shall know them." Palin's children do not speak well for her.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:18 PM
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13. She claims her kids didn't know she was pregnant, so they must not have even SEEN her for months.
If we believe her story, that is. :eyes:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:25 AM
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23. isn't it true that the kids didn't even know she would be picked for vp running mate
until it was announced ?

any parent(mother or father) who cared would talk to it with their kids before. especially since she knew her daughter was pregnant. so she kicks out her daughter from the home but then drags her out to the nation for her own political ambitions. what a disgusting person she is.


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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:06 AM
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18. i have been saying this, she does not care for her kids
she most likely didn't raise any of them. even the littlest daughter Piper is more motherly towards the baby than Sarah or the father has been.

and all the stuff i'm reading about forcing her daughter to get married, moving her out and away from the home when she found out she was pregnant. and so many other things.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:16 AM
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19. Its really rather sad
its no wonder her kids act out.
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:59 AM
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29. I think she sucks as a mother... but that has nothing to do with her politics.
No one can give 100% to everything, something has to give one way or the other. The really sad thing is she sucks as a mother and a politician...LMAO. Her 110% to her job, and 20% to her family is not good enough all the way around.

Sarah Palin, just give up already... go judge a beauty pageant or something, you might be good at that
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:17 AM
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32. Her politics suck 110% too! eom
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 06:03 AM
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35. she sucks at politics also that's why she wont do interviews
real interviews and answer questions.

it should be a HUGE issue that someone who is running on a national ticket has not done interviews discussing the issues. but the whore media wont do anything. in fact they just debate the issue among themselves about whether it's bad.

yet they demand more from people like Michelle Obama who isn't running for anything.

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glancingthefuture Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 08:38 AM
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37. None of us has the right
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 08:40 AM by glancingthefuture
to judge her as a mother. It is wrong to do so. Makes DU look like a RW smut board--and it certainly does NOT help Democrats win this election.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:39 AM
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38. As usual, thank you for your CONCERN.
:eyes:


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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:41 AM
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39. We dont?
What exactly do we have the right to judge her on?
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kurth_ Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:44 AM
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40. Her glasses
That's it.
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