But Obama says...

[Wetzelbill]

Have any of you heard that why trying to argue with a RWer?

I had some guy on youtube trying to pull that on me because I was telling him about the surge and the importance of the Sunni Awakening, the Shia Militia ceasefire and how many violent areas are ethnically cleansed etc. And then that the Iraqi benchmarks still have the toughest ones to go and they might not even be possible to do.

And he goes off, "Well even Obama says the surge has succeeded, you are passing your opinion as fact..."

Ok, maybe I am giving an opinion, but it's an informed assessment. And my analysis is well, MY analysis. Not Obamas. Obama, and I love the guy, is a politician. They sometimes :: gasp :: say politician-y type things. Could you imagine how bad he'd get crushed if he dared to say the surge might not be going as splendidly as John McCain says it is?

But that is a key insight into the thinking of Republicans. When they support somebody they almost unquestioningly believe this trusted source is right on everything. So when Obama says something, they believe that because I am an Obama supporter I fall in line with his beliefs just like they would fall in line with one of their people.

Case in point. Sarah Palin.

I still see people trying to defend her when she was caught lying.

And also, I wonder just how the hell anybody could go so wild over somebody when a few days before she gave a big speech at the RNC, most of them never even heard of her. She went from being somebody they never heard of to a "Superwoman" in a few days. Many of them were waving around signs like that when they never even heard her speak in public.

Republicans fall in line like drones.

Dems don't.

I think partly because Republicans have blind faith. They have a literal blind faith of God and the bible. (I'm a Christian, but please nothing is that literal) They have a blind faith in the market. And a blind faith in their leaders. Even ones they know nothing about.

I could never be like that. I couldn't be so unquestioning. Facts matter to me.

And if I have a disagreement with Obama on something, I'm going to say it. But one person or any group of people don't speak for me. I speak for me.

That's a tough thing for Republicans to believe, because falling in line is so natural to them.

[Bob Dobbs]

1. How did the surge succeed beyond our wildest dreams?

That was stupid as hell for Obama to say. Almost as stupid as giving fascist propagandizing scum like oLIEly credibility by appearing on his program.

This compulsion to move to the radical right to appease scumbags is a losing strategy once again and will be the undoing of the campaign of hope.

[Wetzelbill]

2. I think he does that to avoid

getting in a situation where he has to lose his cool. He's unflappable. I think it's one of those things he's honed over time, to give a little so that he can still go for the bigger picture. But still, it's bothersome for him to say it like that, it's such a complex issue.

[Bob Dobbs]

3. He handed the issue to mcsurge on a silver platter.

In reality the "surge" worked because we paid the enemy BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to not kill us, not because we put a few more of our troops in country.

The terminal weakness of dems that causes them to move to the radical right to hope to get elected has been proven over and over again to be a losing strategy.