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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:00 PM
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CNN "debunk" book banning and "lizard of satan"
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 11:11 PM by kristopher
The whitewashing of Palin on CNN is very sophisticated. I think this site sees most Palin information and gossip that hits the web. If it isn't running through these pages, an item has to score pretty low on the credibility scale. I'm not saying we "push" romors so much as we try to examine them to establish whether they are valid or not.
That said - I have seen nothing of this "lizard of satan" quote that CNN "debunked by having some blogger say "Yeah I posted it as joke, I never thought anyone would take it seriously" or something to that effect. (Guy's name is supposed to be Bob Salisbury from Olympia Washington BTW)
Then they launch into the story about her cutting funding for special education - they cite Annenberg's factcheck.org who say she TRIPLED it on a per child basis. They document this well and I accept their statement with a caveat. The specific details of funding before (Palin signed that bill to triple funding - added on edit2) is missing from an otherwise well documented account. Instead they provide this "funding for special needs and intensive needs students has increased every year since Palin entered office, from a total of $203 million in 2006 to a projected $276 million in 2009." This recitation of events omits an accurate timeline of her actions as they affect the funding during this period. The only action specifically documented in time is a large increase in funding over time signed in March 2008. "According to an April 2008 article in Education Week, Palin signed legislation in March 2008 that would increase public school funding considerably, including special needs funding."

This is AFTER she knew of that she would be parenting a special needs child and AFTER there was considerable public speculation of her as a VP pick. http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

So leaving aside for a moment the possibility that her cited support may be contradicted by her actual action pre- March 2008, the next thing CNN and Factcheck.org addressed was the book banning incident. Here is factcheck's presentation:
" Not a Book Burner

One accusation claims then-Mayor Palin threatened to fire Wasilla’s librarian for refusing to ban books from the town library. Some versions of the rumor come complete with a list of the books that Palin allegedly attempted to ban. Actually, Palin never asked that books be banned; no books were actually banned; and many of the books on the list that Palin supposedly wanted to censor weren't even in print at the time, proving that the list is a fabrication. The librarian was fired, but was told only that Palin felt she didn’t support her. She was re-hired the next day. The librarian never claimed that Palin threatened outright to fire her for refusing to ban books.

It’s true that Palin did raise the issue with Mary Ellen Emmons, Wasilla’s librarian, on at least two occasions, three in some versions. Emmons flatly stated her opposition each time. But, as the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman (Wasilla’s local paper) reported at the time, Palin asked general questions about what Emmons would say if Palin requested that a book be banned. According to Emmons, Palin "was asking me how I would deal with her saying a book can't be in the library." Emmons reported that Palin pressed the issue, asking whether Emmons' position would change if residents were picketing the library. Wasilla resident Anne Kilkenny, who was at the meeting, corroborates Emmons' story, telling the Chicago Tribune that "Sarah said to Mary Ellen, 'What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?' "

Palin characterized the exchange differently, initially volunteering the episode as an example of discussions with city employees about following her administration's agenda. Palin described her questions to Emmons as “rhetorical,” noting that her questions "were asked in the context of professionalism regarding the library policy that is in place in our city." Actually, true rhetorical questions have implied answers (e.g., “Who do you think you are?”), so Palin probably meant to describe her questions as hypothetical or theoretical. We can't read minds, so it is impossible for us to know whether or not Palin may actually have wanted to ban books from the library or whether she simply wanted to know how her new employees would respond to an instruction from their boss. It is worth noting that, in an update, the Frontiersman points out that no book was ever banned from the library’s shelves.

Palin initially requested Emmons’ resignation, along with those of Wasilla’s other department heads, in October 1996. Palin described the requests as a loyalty test and allowed all of them (except one, whose department she was eliminating) to retain their positions. But in January 1997, Palin fired Emmons, along with the police chief. According to the Chicago Tribune, Palin did not list censorship as a reason for Emmons’ firing, but said she didn’t feel she had Emmons’ support. The decision caused “a stir” in the small town, according to a newspaper account at the time. According to a widely circulated e-mail from Kilkenny, “city residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter.”

As we’ve noted, Palin did not attempt to ban any library books. We don’t know if Emmons’ resistance to Palin’s questions about possible censorship had anything to do with Emmons’ firing. And we have no idea if the protests had any impact on Palin at all. There simply isn’t any evidence that we can find either way. Palin did re-hire Emmons the following day, saying that she now felt she had the librarian’s backing. Emmons continued to serve as librarian until August 1999, when the Chicago Tribune reports that she resigned.

So what about that list of books targeted for banning, which according to one widely e-mailed version was taken “from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board”? If it was, the library board should take up fortune telling. The list includes the first four Harry Potter books, none of which had been published at the time of the Palin-Emmons conversations. The first wasn't published until 1998. In fact, the list is a simple cut-and-paste job, snatched (complete with typos and the occasional incorrect title) from the Florida Institute of Technology library Web page, which presents the list as “Books banned at one time or another in the United States.”

Update, Sept. 9: We have revised this section dealing with accusations that Palin wanted to ban books from Wasilla's library to include more detail about what transpired at the time."

(read more here) http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html


I can't comment on the provenance of the list at the end. I took that as unprovable when I saw the header line and never even bothered to read it.

The body of the story however, is extremely damning. In fact, politically, it is possibly the most damning thing that has come out about her to date (and that's saying a lot).

Sorry to add this on edit, but I forgot: What do we know about factcheck? This poster from TPMCafe has similar concerns and notes that Leonore Anneberg, the Trustee of the Annengerg Foundation has never made a political donation to a Dem.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/nonpartisan-factcheckorg-not-q.php
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:01 PM
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1. Did CNN
Go out of its way to debunk the rumors about Obama?
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:03 PM
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2. Bwhahahahhaaaa
/Wipes tear.

Good one.

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:06 PM
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3. I assert it is a whitewash of Palin.
Was that unclear?
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:09 PM
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6. I don't trust this factcheck.org n/t
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:14 PM
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8. Who funds them and works for them? n/t
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:07 PM
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4. Palin's loyalty tests remind me of Jim Jones. This woman is evil and dangerous.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:08 PM
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5. Nobody ever reads the body
and I gave up on factcheck.org during the Kerry campaign. It's a damn shame they have such a credible sounding name because they suck at being truly fair about facts.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:13 PM
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7. CNN was puking it right up, even though the library bit is obviously contrived.
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aexitado Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:29 PM
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9. Good job
recommended.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:31 AM
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10. Cheney recommended..
the Annenberg Foundation to fact check in 2004. He was big in publishing. I guess that's where he made the big bucks?

http://www.nndb.com/people/632/000024560/
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/media_watch/july-dec02/annenberg_10-1.html
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:02 AM
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11. Thank you very much
That definitely documents Annenberg is right wing. Where did you get the Cheney intro part. I didn't see it at either link.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 08:40 AM
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16. He mentioned it..
in the debate with John Edwards..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FactCheck
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:30 AM
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12. They didn't debunk shit!
The confirmed palin asked about banning books. Then they said no books were banned. They never interviewed the librarian. If people aren't paying enough attention they will indeed believe it's been debunked though it has not.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:55 AM
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13. Good research thanks n/t

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:35 AM
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14. FactCheck = Vivecka Novak = Plame Investigation
This lady was used in planting the story in Time that got Rove off the hook in the Plame investigation.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1139780,00.html/

Read the article and decide for yourself if she was duped or a willing stooge...Time put her on "indefinite vacation" after this episode and then showed her the door.

And this is the lady who was on CNN tonight doing the "fact checking". The usual cast of characters still in business...
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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:41 AM
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15. I don't care what
the MSM says. she is a fundie kook and I totally believe she is capable of these things.
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