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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:15 PM
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Mexico drug plane used for US 'rendition' flights: report
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Mexico drug plane used for US 'rendition' flights: report
Posted by Truth2Tell on Fri Sep-05-08 01:08 PM

Source: Yahoo News via AFP

MEXICO CITY (AFP) - A private jet that crash-landed almost one year ago in eastern Mexico carrying 3.3 tons of cocaine had previously been used for CIA "rendition" flights, a newspaper report said here Thursday, citing documents from the United States and the European Parliament.

The plane was carrying Colombian drugs for the fugitive leader of Mexico's Sinaloa cartel, Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman, when it crash-landed in the Yucatan peninsula on September 24, El Universal reported.

The daily said it had obtained documents from the United States and the European Parliament which "show that that plane flew several times to Guantanamo, Cuba, presumably to transfer terrorism suspects."

It said the European Parliament was investigating the private Grumman Gulfstream II, registered by the European Organization for the Safety of Air Navigation, for suspected use in CIA "rendition" flights in which prisoners are covertly transferred to a third country or US-run detention centers.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080904/wl_afp/mexicouscrimedrugs




I knew about this almost 2 years ago cause I don't rely on the M$M
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:19 PM
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1. Yes you did SLAD....the Madcow website exposed this pretty well.
Cocaine is big business...we got pics of planes dressed up to look like official DHS aircraft. Wonder who'esw behind this and what's black ops this is financing. I suspect that this war on drugs is actually a war on our democracy.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:23 PM
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2. Can we link to Mad Cow here?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:25 PM
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3. Don't know.......maybe we should ask the gatekeepers in the 9/11 dungeon.
:hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:28 PM
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7. I don't play there anymore
self inflicted exile, for my sanity
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:26 PM
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4. CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:27 PM
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5. We just saw the movie "Rendition" this week. It was deeply
disturbing. It reminded me of things I've read about Nazi Germany. I remembered trusted American military figures saying, "torture doesn't work" the information gained by the use of torture is not reliable. The idea that US citizens are participating in rendition is repulsive.

I agree with you about not relying on the corporate media to keep you informed.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:27 PM
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6. Here's a good thread, from last year, on that plane...
Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-28-07 01:54 AM
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Cocaine plane that crashed in Mexico this week linked to the Government?
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/20060.html

MEXICO CITY — U.S. authorities are assisting the Mexican government in the investigation of an American business jet that crashed in Cancun this week with four tons of cocaine on board, officials said Thursday.

Some news reports have linked the plane to the transport of terrorist suspects to the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but those reports cite logs that indicate only that the plane flew twice between Washington, D.C., and Guantanamo and once between Oxford, Conn. (Bush's home town), and Guantanamo. No terrorist suspects are known to have been transferred to Guantanamo directly from the United States.

The jet, carrying the tail number N987SA, changed hands twice in recent weeks. But how it ended up in the hands of suspected drug traffickers remains a mystery.

The Mexican attorney general's office said the blue and white Gulfstream II crashed on Monday in a remote jungle area on the Yucatan Peninsula. Authorities seized 132 bags of cocaine weighing four tons. Two men were arrested and jailed on drug trafficking charges in Merida, officials said. They declined to identify the men, however.

McClatchy is withholding the names of the alleged new owners of the plane because they couldn't be reached for confirmation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1927518&mesg_id=1927518
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:31 PM
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8. THANKS Babe
Edited on Fri Sep-05-08 01:31 PM by seemslikeadream
Next time you see the boys in the hood give 'em my love

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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:08 PM
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10. Any time, doll...
I'm back to mostly reading down in the jungle as debating with the spinners and apologists just makes my brain ache most of the time.

:hug:

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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:35 PM
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9. Question: What happens if we expose rogue CIA elements?
These have been around since Eisenhower. Senator Church did not get them all. They entrenched further, entangled themselves more, spread themselves farther.

Guessing that Bush I had been integral if not pivotal. Certainly was able to create a bigger mess while in charge of the CIA.

How much did he protect himself with the Chinese and ingratiate himself with the Swiss money masters.

What would they do if they started to feel cornered. Start WW-III with Russia?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:12 PM
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11. My goodness! Somebody reading this story might get the impression the CIA smuggled drugs and
tortured people

Next, that person might do some research into the matter

The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade

Interview with Alfred McCoy, professor of Southeast Asian History at the University of Wisconsin, Madison;
author of The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciaheron.html

An Interview with Alfred McCoy
by David Barsamian
Conducted at University of Wisconsin-Madison, February 17,1990

Part One ...

It's only in Southeast Asia that the colonial governments paid for their very dynamic development, massive infrastructural projects, irrigation that transformed the landscape, massive road networks, rail networks, very dynamic colonial development - all of this was paid for by direct taxes upon Indochinese consumers. Taxes on alcohol, salt and particularly opium. In British Malaya, 40% of colonial taxes came from opium. In Thailand it was running about 15%. (Thailand was an independent state but they followed the colonial model.) In French Indochina it ranged about 15% from the period of the 1870s up through the 1950s when, as a result of UN pressure, all of these governments abolished the opium trade. Thailand was the second last to do it. Thailand didn't abolish its state opium monopoly - rather like an alcoholic beverage control that a lot of states have. They didn't abolish this until 1957 and Laos didn't abolish theirs until 1961 ...

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciah1.html

Part Two ...

When the Americans moved into Indochina after the French departed in 1955, we picked up the same tribes, the Hmong, the same politics of narcotics, the politics of heroin, that the French had established. By the 1960s we were operating, particularly the CIA, in collusion with the major traffickers exporting from the mountains not only to meet the consumption needs of Southeast Asia itself, but in the first instance America's combat forces fighting in Vietnam and ultimately the world market. Southeast Asia today, by the way, is the number one source of American heroin. That's our major source. So it's those very mountains of Burma, those very fields that were cleared and put to the poppy as a result of this Nationalist Chinese-CIA counterinsurgency intervention policy - that army that the CIA maintained there - that's supplying America's addicts today with illicit heroin ...

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciah2.html

Part Three ...

First of all, I think the Laos parallel is very strong in the Iran-contra operation. Just in the formal outlines of the policy - you know, you've got the contras on the border of Nicaragua, they're a mercenary army, they're supported through a humanitarian operation, they're given U.S. logistic support, they're given U.S. equipment and they're given U.S. air power backup to deliver the equipment and the logistic support. All the personnel that are involved in that operation are Laos veterans. Ted Shackley, Thomas Clines, Oliver North, Richard Secord - they all served in Laos during thirteen-year war. They are all part of that policy of integrating narcotics and being complicitous in the narcotics trade in the furtherance of covert action ...

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciah3.html

Part Four ...

Panama is a little tiny country that was formerly a province of Colombia before the United States separated them and built the canal. For Colombians, Panama is just like next door. It's the old province. And yet it's not a part of Colombia any more. So if you're a Panamanian cocaine merchant, if you're the Medellin cartel or the Cali cartel, where do you do your banking? You don't do it in Bogota, you do it in Panama City and you do it through these big Panamanian banks. If you've ever noticed the photographs of the financial district of Panama City, it looks like a mini-Wall Street or a mini-downtown Los Angeles. Why? Why in this poor economy do you have this elaborate banking structure? It's built from money laundering and the Endara government, as individuals - and of his vice presidents, several of his cabinet ministers - are an the boards of banks which have been big in the money laundering industry. Moreover, one of Endara's key cabinet people was actually a lawyer for one of the big drug lords of Colombia. So what you're looking at is we replaced Manuel Noriega who is supposedly this evil drug dealer who moved a million dollars of drugs and made $4 million from the Medellin cartel - we replace this guy with people who represent the Panamanian money- laundering industry which was moving the money from the United States to Colombia. We got rid of some petty thug, some tough guy on the street who's stealing hubcaps, and we put the Mafia in power ...

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciah4.html



National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 2
The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations ...

Documentation of Official U.S. Knowledge of Drug Trafficking and the Contras

The National Security Archive obtained the hand-written notebooks of Oliver North, the National Security Council aide who helped run the contra war and other Reagan administration covert operations, through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed in 1989. The notebooks, as well as declassified memos sent to North, record that North was repeatedly informed of contra ties to drug trafficking.

In his entry for August 9, 1985, North summarizes a meeting with Robert Owen ("Rob"), his liaison with the contras. They discuss a plane used by Mario Calero, brother of Adolfo Calero, head of the FDN, to transport supplies from New Orleans to contras in Honduras. North writes: "Honduran DC-6 which is being used for runs out of New Orleans is probably being used for drug runs into U.S." As Lorraine Adams reported in the October 22, 1994 Washington Post, there are no records that corroborate North's later assertion that he passed this intelligence on drug trafficking to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

In a July 12, 1985 entry, North noted a call from retired Air Force general Richard Secord in which the two discussed a Honduran arms warehouse from which the contras planned to purchase weapons. (The contras did eventually buy the arms, using money the Reagan administration secretly raised from Saudi Arabia.) According to the notebook, Secord told North that "14 M to finance came from drugs."

An April 1, 1985 memo from Robert Owen (code-name: "T.C." for "The Courier") to Oliver North (code-name: "The Hammer") describes contra operations on the Southern Front. Owen tells North that FDN leader Adolfo Calero (code-name: "Sparkplug") has picked a new Southern Front commander, one of the former captains to Eden Pastora who has been paid to defect to the FDN. Owen reports that the officials in the new Southern Front FDN units include "people who are questionable because of past indiscretions," such as José Robelo, who is believed to have "potential involvement with drug running" and Sebastian Gonzalez, who is "now involved in drug running out of Panama" ...

<much more at link:> http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm


Oh, dear! It looks like the whole thing only goes downhill from there
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:32 PM
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12. X Post LBN link:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 07:07 PM
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13. Thanks Festivito I did put it in my OP
:hi:

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postmanisu Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 07:10 PM
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14. palin says sell the plane.
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