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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:13 PM
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Jesus Was Dark, Liberal: Why Fear Obama? - VERY interesting article.


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Second, Jesus’ genealogy is stated clearly in the Bible and demonstrates that he was a man of color. First, Matthew 1:2-17 sets out Jesus’ lineage to King David and beyond, which interestingly contains many flawed human beings (sinners like me), but also contains at least four Afro-Asiatic women: Rahab, Tamar, Ruth and Bathsheba. There was also a substantial general Afro-Asiatic influence in Jesus’ DNA as the Hebrew in Jesus genealogy were a subjugated people that spent a hundreds of years in Africa.
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Jesus was crucified because he was a liberal – indeed a radical against the religious and political leaders in Jerusalem. Immediately after his triumphal entry, with the crowd shouting Hosanna (God save us), Jesus proceeded to the temple where he made a whip of cords and drove out the money changers and those selling sacrifices, along with their animals. “You have turned my father’s house into a den of thieves,” Jesus implored.
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Jesus was against the death penalty. He taught that thou shall not kill and that if one is sinless, let him cast the first stone.
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This belief in the goodness and potential of all men is a liberal principal.

Jesus is a peace maker and believed in and taught peace. He said, “Blessed are the peace makers for they shall be called children of God.” He taught that we should love and pray for our enemies and that if anyone should harm us, that we should turn the other cheek.

You see, Jesus knew that love was the most powerful force in the world and that it will conquer in the end. We have seen this proven in our times. Just think about three of the most influential leaders of the last century: Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King and compare their effectiveness to the Arab terrorist.
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more at...
http://www.tricities.com/tri/news/opinion/columnists/article/jesus_was_dark_liberal_why_fear_obama/13100/
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:24 PM
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1. The trouble is the Jesus of that article, who is probably closer to the
real Jesus, if he really existed, isn't the Jesus of the fundies, who is northern European in appearance and
holds their Nordic social values.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:31 PM
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2. honey, my jesus was of Irish ancestry and had red/blonde hair and green eyes
don't know where you got YOUR jesus from...nordic??? I think not!!! We all know jesus was born in ireland and migrated to the middle east cause that is where the 'action' was!!!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:33 PM
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3. LOL! Of course and wasn't St. Brigid a goddess before she became a nun?
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:39 PM
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4. sugar..you are a sexist...a goddess??? wtf is wrong with a woman being a god
for god's sake??? nun is the epitomy of sexism...it is not nun..it is none...to abriviate it to nun is sexist...none...got none..want none...give none...like madame president...or madame of a whore house..same old same old!!! where is that sarcasm smilie...ooohhhhpppssss..here it is :sarcasm:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:42 PM
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5. Whatever! Goddesses actually are more powerful than gods because they can
create life. And, if you are Irish you know the Church demoted the Goddess Brigid to a nun. Yep, it was sexist of them.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 07:10 PM
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7. When God Was a Woman

An early contemporary proponent of the worship of the prehistoric Mother Goddess, Stone analyzes the creation story in Genesis from a non-Christian perspective. To her, the tale is an allegorical story about the Hebrew deity Yehwah supplanting the Mother Goddess, represented by the tree of life and the serpent, and Hebrew religion supplanting the worship of the Goddess. Stone claims that the forbidden knowledge concerns sex, sexuality, and reproduction, specifically the knowledge that men have a role in reproduction, and that the story describes the process by which traditional matriarchal societies were thrust aside by patriarchal societies. To Stone, "The Adam and Eve myth. . . had actually been designed to be used in the continuous Levite battle to suppress the female religion."

Stone discusses a number of ancient Near Eastern nature religions some of which represented the Goddess by a serpent and others of which performed an early form of communion by eating the fruit of a tree which grew next to an altar to the Goddess. These goddesses, first and foremost the Creator Goddess, also represented wisdom, human creativity, sex, sexuality, reproduction, new life, and / or destiny or fate.

"Symbols such as serpents, sacred fruit trees and sexually tempting women who took advice from serpents may once have been understood by people of biblical times to symbolize the then familiar presence of the female deity. In the Paradise myth, these images may have explained allegorically that listening to women who revered the Goddess had once caused the expulsion of all humankind from the original home of bliss in Eden." pages 198-199

"It is here that our understanding of the sacred sexual customs and matrilineal descent patterns enters the matter, further clarifying the symbolism of the forbidden fruit. In each area in which the Goddess was known and revered, She was extolled not only as the prophetess of great wisdom, closely identified with the serpent, but as the original Creatress, and the patroness of sexual pleasures and reproduction as well. The Divine Ancestress was identified as She who brought life as well as She who decreed the destinies and directions of those lives, a not unnatural combination. Hathor was credited with having taught people how to procreate. Ishtar, Ashtoreth and Inanna were each esteemed as the tutelary deity of sexuality and new life. The sacred women celebrated this aspect of Her being by making love in the temples.

Considering the hatred the Hebrews felt toward the asherim, a major symbol of female religion, it would not be too surprising if the symbolism of the tree of forbidden fruit, said to offer the knowledge of good and evil, yet clearly represented in the myth as the provider of sexual consciousness, was included in the creation story to warn that eating the fruit of this tree had caused the downfall of all humanity. Eating of the tree of the Goddess, which stood by each altar, was dangerously "pagan" as were Her sexual customs and Her oracular serpents.

So into the myth of how the world began, the story that the Levites offered as the explanation of the creation of all existence, they place the advisory serpent and the woman who accepted its counsel, eating of the tree that gave her the understanding of what "only the gods knew" - the secret of sex - how to create life.

As the advocates of Yahweh destroyed the shrines of the female deity wherever they could, murdering when they could not convert, the Levite priesthood wrote the tale of creation. They announced that male supremacy was not a new idea, but in fact had been divinely decreed by the male deity at the very dawn of existence. The domination of the male over the female, as Hebrew women found themselves without the rights of their neighbors, rights that they too may have once held, was not simply added as another Hebrew law written into the Bible as one of the first major acts and proclamations of the male creator. With blatant disregard for actual history, the Levite leaders announced that woman must be ruled by man, declaring that it was in agreement with the original decree of Yahweh, who, according to these new legends, had first created the world and people. The myth of Adam and Eve, in which male domination was explained and justified, informed women and men alike that male ownership and control of submissively obedient women was to be regarded as the divine and natural state of the human species.
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Lots more at...
http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/whm2000/stone2.html



http://www.amazon.com/When-God-Woman-Merlin-Stone/dp/015696158X

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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:43 PM
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6. weird--
I know that Jesus was probably a historic figure--but I don't have any picture at all of him in my head. Guess I didn't get indoctrinated enough by the fundies....
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 07:19 PM
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8. He likely looked no different from the average Israeli or Palestinian of today.
Actually, probably not exactly the same, given the two thousand year gap between our time and his, but the ethnographics of the region in those two times likely haven't changed that greatly.
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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:14 PM
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9. I know that
(intellectually) but don't have an image of him that comes to mind when I close my eyes. Oh well, probably not too important. I can't imagine I am missing out on much
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