Are They Gonna Steal It Again?!

[balantz]

The Dems have the votes to win, just like in 2000 and just like in 2004.

With McCain alone another stolen election could not be shoved down our throats, but by "making history" with a Palin choice for VP they now have the excuse they need to steal it once again.

Election reform never happened, the poll numbers cannot be trusted, and Palin will get McCain's vote numbers up just enough to make a steal look legit.

Do you think they're gonna do it again, and Palin is their cover?!

[dysfunctional press]

1. probably.

que sera sera...

[Subdivisions]

4. que sera sera...

Yup. Because we'll just continue to sit here and bitch and moan about it.

[live love laugh]

8. What else can we do? nt

[lonestarnot]

38. Never legitimize a cheater. Never let them swear in a cheater!

Fight it before it happens. Poll worker, poll watcher, count the damn votes!

[annabanana]

14. yup.. that's all we do... no one ever leaves the basement..

no one walks the precints . .no one is a poll watcher or election official. . none of us drive people to the polls on election day. .

[dysfunctional press]

20. i'm a selection judge...and i went to dc to protest coronation day in 2001.

nt

[HughBeaumont]

47. Protested the second annointment of 2005 here!

I wonder how many robberies, accidents and assaults happened across that tri-state area, what with the FIVE layers of various state baton-sporting police a mile long guarding the Fuhrer?

It didn't stop a snowball from hitting Cheney's limo, though. You should have seen them all scramble like rats! :rofl:

[Middle finga]

2. I think Palin is damaged goods, the media has already definded her

[grannylib]

3. You know they're trying. Reports are that massive vote caging is

happening all over the country again; African Americans in particular are being dumped from the voter rolls in record numbers.
I think it's also why they're trying to make the polls look 'close' so it will be at least marginally plausible if a few thousand votes here and there manage to flip to McAnus, like they did to Idiot Boy in 2000 and 2004.

[lonestarnot]

39. People certainly need to check on their registration.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Of course they will.No way they can win it fair and square

[liberal renegade]

6. yep!

[live love laugh]

7. Is the sky blue? n/t

[annabanana]

9. They're sure gonna try.

People in the swing states.... Can you find out if there will be a sufficient number of machines in the densely populated districts?.... Around the colleges?... minority areas?

We are going to have to vote WAY past the margin of error. It will be very hard to steal (at least this one last time) if the numbers are high enough.

If we lose this one, all the criminality will be cemented into the system and it will not be dislodged without a civil war....

Annabanana
I - 11
N - 75
F - 25
J - 44

[ColbertWatcher]

12. Yup, I came here to say exactly this. n/t

[TheWatcher]

10. Yes, They Are.

And when it happens, I hope the people of this country will actually stand up and DO something about it.

But if history is any indicator, there will be a short time of hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth, before everyone settles back into the comfortable denial that it's all just a conspiracy theory dreamed up by the Tin-Foil Hat crowd.

Then it will be back to American Idol, Reality TV, Sports Worship, and the Cheeseburgers and Beer that will still be flowing freely to salve the conscience of the People Who Thought They Were Free.

After all, comfort and false paradigms must be maintained at ALL COST.

We wouldn't want to be seen as Radicals like the Forefathers were.

[Odious justice]

46. The forefathers didn't have cable tv, internet, or git-darn microaves.

There was a lot to be radical about and little to distract them from doing so.

[TheWatcher]

48. There is a lot to be radical about NOW.

But we have a mostly sleeping population that can't be bothered.

Wander outside of DU for a bit, and you will be numb with horror at the level of Idiocracy in our country.

[TheWatcher]

11. Delete.

Dupe.

[spanone]

13. you know they're gonna try

[leftofthedial]

15. you betcha.

[stillcool]

16. If you go to this site...

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/index.php

you can see what voting systems are used in every county in every state. There are also links to the SOS in each state. While not perfect there are now 18 states that have legislated mandatory audits after each election. 31 states, more than half the population has a voter verified paper record, though without any audit it's kind of useless. The remaining states have no record, and no way to conduct a recount. I believe that unless we the people in our respective states demand that our own state legislators and Secretary of State, provide us with voting systems that accurately tabulate our votes nothing will change. Rush Holt now has proposed yet another bill in Congress to offer states that would like to either add paper, or add audits, federal money to adopt those changes. Nothing will come of that either, if law-makers feel no pressure to do so.
This election may be impacted more on the central computerized voter registrations than on tampering with the vote count. It is suggested that any new registered voter, and even those that have been registered for a long time, check their registration and make sure their information is accurate before the election.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Yes, and we'd better be willing to stand up

chances is... NOT A FUCKING CHANCE

Idol is on tonight

:sarcasm:

[Kip Humphrey]

18. With a CNP sellected VP, its assured that the RNC will try to steal the election.

[Kip Humphrey]

19. no doubt. They may even venture beyond a 10% swing (5% flip)... May have to.

[balantz]

21. I think Palin will be their excuse as to why they win. n/t

[seemslikeadream]

22. Google Howard Ahmanson Jr.

The start up money for those voting machines came from him


ONE GOD ONE VOTE




Theonomic Reconstructionist

[seemslikeadream]

23. The majority stake in ES&S is still owned by Howard F. Ahmanson and the Ahmanson Foundation

American Information Systems (AIS) was primarily funded with money from Ahmanson brothers, William and Robert, of the Howard F. Ahmanson Co. The majority stake in ES&S is still owned by Howard F. Ahmanson and the Ahmanson Foundation


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0307/S00147.htm





This was to be "THEIR" president

[balantz]

27. Thanks SLaD

:hi:

Where have I seen that pic before?

[seemslikeadream]

24. Biblical Law Trumps Civil Law

http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingMachineCompanies.htm

In 1999, American Information Systems (AIS), purchased Business Records Corp (BRC) to become ES&S
American Information Systems (AIS):
AIS (1980) was formerly Data Mark (1979), both founded by brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich. Bob is currently president of Diebold (see below). Todd Urosevich is Vice President, Aftermarket Sales of ES&S.
AIS was primarily funded with money from Ahmanson brothers, William and Robert, of H.F. Ahmanson Co. (Howard ?), holding company for the nation's largest savings and loan association and a group of Omaha-based insurance companies, at the time. http://www.essvote.com/index.php?section=exec&rightnav=about&f_exec_id=4
Howard Ahmanson belongs to Council for National Policy (hard right wing organization) http://www.ifas.org/cnp/name98.html . Howard Ahmanson also helps finance The Chalcedon Institute: "Established in 1965, Chalcedon (kal-SEE-dun) is a non-profit 501(c)(3) and Christian educational organization devoted to research, publishing, and promoting Christian reconstruction in all areas of life... Our emphasis on the Cultural or Dominion Mandate (Genesis 1:28) and the necessity of a return to Biblical Law has been a a crucial factor in the challenge to Humanism by Christians in this country and elsewhere... A world that is increasingly pessimistic and disillusioned with the failure of secular Humanism is now feeling the impact of Christians who are exercising dominion and reclaiming lost spheres of authority for Christ the King." http://www.chalcedon.edu / / critical profile: the organization's purpose is to establish Old Testament Biblical law as the standard for society. Chalcedon promotes Christian Reconstructionism -- which mandates Christ's dominion over all the world. http://www.ifas.org/fw/9501/chalcedon.html

Members of Council for National Policy (hard right wing organization) http://www.ifas.org/cnp/name98.html and The Chalcedon Institute:
Nelson Bunker Hunt
Rev. R. J. Rushdoony of The Chalcedon Institute
Howard Ahmanson

[Cleita]

25. You know if they do then all I can say is our party

leadership is screwed up being what we know about the last two elections. They really shouldn't let it happen again.

[fulllib]

42. Obama wont go easy

If it is stolen, he will not go easy into that good night. He will look before him and see Gore and Kerry on one side and no one on the other, he will go to the other. Rage, rage against the dying of the light!

[Kazak]

26. They have a lot to cover for...

Another republican administration delays the inevitable and allows them to skate free for another 4 years. I cannot imagine they're just going to let go without throwing every last trick they know into the fray.

[Richard Steele]

28. Nope. If they were planning to steal it, they'd use REAL candidates.

Instead, they offer the MOST EXPENDABLE pair of losers
that they could scrape up. McCain and Palin aren't
simply "not viable" as candidates, they aren't even
BELIEVABLE as candidates!

The Repubs aren't trying to win this one.

[Frank Cannon]

44. McCain/Palin = Stormtroopers on the Death Star in Episode IV

No one could fuck up that much by accident. It would require a master's degree in stupidity. No, I agree that this is all very carefully planned.

The thing is, although I firmly believe the Republican party does not win this election, I'm thinking McCain really does want it.

[CLG_News]

29. Of course! And, once again, the Democrats will roll right over and....

'offer their concession.'
American Revolution #2 needs to follow ANY additional GOP coups.

[Name removed]

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[live love laugh]

32. 'cept YOUR candidate DIDN'T get the most votes--so that IS stealing. nt

[Mnemosyne]

33. You still here?

Hope yur edjumacating yursef gud here.

[TheWatcher]

34. You might want to check and research the facts junior.

better yet, with links and validated, independently vetted resources, I'm sure you'll be happy to illustrate for us how all of the evidence that points to the fact that not only 2000 was stolen, but also 2004, was all just a big coincidence.

Unless you have real information, please, just shut the fuck up.

You have nothing.

[lonestarnot]

40. And alert is my friend.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

41. Enjoy your stay at DU.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. THough you've been banned... here are them facts

about Presidential Elections...

IT is NOT the majority vote that elects a President, but the Electoral College...

See them Electoral Votes

Once you get this VERY BASIC info we can go on to the advanced subjects, such as voter suppression and other ways to manipulate the vote

By the way... why did the USSC intervene in 2000 and STOP the count? Ever asked yourself this? After all Al Gore WON the popular vote.... see above about Electoral College

You MIGHT want to read the Constitution... I know your head will hurt with all them fancy words

[Fire Walk With Me]

31. They can only win through dirty tricks. So, expect dirty tricks.

[Dem2theMax]

35. Someone set up a dummy web site so the repukes will mistakenly

send their emails to it. Remember how we found out about the caging in 2004? All those legitimate emails that were sent there by mistake and the owners of the site posted them? Oh, for luck like that again.

[SoCalDem]

36. Colorado & Virginia are the keys..

Without them, Obama has to have Florida or Ohio

[lonestarnot]

37. She will not get his votes up, the media and their stupid polls will though.

And yes they are going to do it again. This time we fight!

[Hubert Flottz]

45. Yes I think they will do ANYTHING it takes to ruin the country.

And if they do, they might just get a country in ruins. I think the people in America are far more likely to "Storm the Bastille" this time.

[Taverner]

49. They will try

[MiniMe]

50. That is my answer too

[Taverner]

51. They tried and failed in 2006

Should have been a landslide

Of course I wish this was the gom jabbar and they would TRY AND DIE!!!!

[MiniMe]

53. No they were successful unfortunately

* got more votes than Kerry and won electoral votes, at least that is what the results show. If it's close, they will steal it.

[Taverner]

56. 2006 not 2004

[MiniMe]

57. They thought it would be closer

and it wsn't. :hi:

[happydreams]

52. Nah, they gonna let the Left have this one.

(((())))

[GreenPartyVoter]

54. If they do and the Dems once again do nothing, then I will

refuse to hear any future demands that I vote Dem for POTUS. It will clearly no longer matter what I do with my vote. x(

[paparush]

55. Does the Pope Shit in the Woods (Lebowski)?

When the Exit Polls failed to match the results, 'Murka yawned, scratched, and turned on Fox News.

Nothing substantial has changed, except that the Right succeeded in painting Exit Polls as untrustworthy.

So, once again, the Neocons will do their best to steal it, and if they succeed, 'Murka will fart, scratch, and say, "that Sarah Palin shore is purty".