BIDEN PUTS - CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST BUSH - BACK ON THE TABLE!!!

[kpete]

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Looking to the future but with one eye on the past, Biden also promised that an Obama-Biden government would go through Bush administration data with "a fine-toothed comb" and pursue criminal charges if necessary.

"If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation," he said, "they will be pursued, not out of vengeance, not out of retribution - out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no one, no attorney general, no president, no one is above the law."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/biden-rips-bush.html

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UPDATE:

more discussion here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3912838&mesg_id=3912838

coyotes ate my beloved 18 year old cat this year(Kikoo),- but her spark remains, so I forgive coyotes, in fact, i revere them, kp

[Parche]

1. Holy Crap

Can we get triple secret service details on those 2

I dont trust this admin, and or the CIA....:scared: :scared: :hi:

[Raksha]

38. Yeah, that was my first thought too.

When I tell everyone the criminals aren't going to relinquish power easily, that's what I mean. I wouldn't put anything past them.

[sce56]

94. I would not trust the SS either look at the driver of this car looking and waiting for the

Head Shot before speeding off.

[humbled_opinion]

112. OMG your not serious are you....

You do know there were two shots fired..... lol the first one is the reaction shot the second one is the head shot....

[AndyA]

2. This is what it will take, if it happens.

Nancy Pelosi isn't going to do squat about it. Which makes her complicit in those crimes, in my book. Why is she ignoring these crimes? Pelosi needs to be investigated as well.

[Jackpine Radical]

53. Pelosi doesn'r tn the DOJ.

After Jan 20, a lawyer hand-picked by a Constitutional scholar will run DOJ.

And Pelosi will be totally out of excuses for keeping things off the table.

[LiberalFighter]

72. By then she can't do anything. It will be totally out of her hands.

[Waiting For Everyman]

89. I hope it's Elizabeth Holtzman

:)

[bjobotts]

95. Based on dems history on this issue why would you believe them

[bjobotts]

96. Biden may have good intentions but we will get "We need to move forward now"

and not be bogged down by the past.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

83. Thank you, thank you Andy! I have been saying Pelosi should be investigated for some time now.

Her husband Paul was on Bilderberg's Bohemian Grove 2008 Guest List.

How can we get anything accomplished when our highest ranking democrat is one of them?

[L. Coyote]

3. DUPE> We were composing at the same time:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3912838&mesg_id=3912838

[gblady]

4. EXCELLENT!!!!

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Oh please, oh, please, oh please, oh please!!!

[jberryhill]

6. That's the difference between

Someone who has had life handed to them, and someone who has had to work for it, while seeing other people have it handed to them.

[DavidDvorkin]

7. Yes!

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!

[WA98296]

8. Well, I guess two can do the "play to the base" thing. Hope he means it.

[redqueen]

9. "the notion that no one, no one, no attorney general, no president, no one is above the law."

Would the GOP call that "quaint" as well?

[robinlynne]

10. oh YES! But Obama wants "peaceful unity"....

[bear425]

11. He said this same thing at the Deerfield Beach townhall yesterday.

Debbie Wasserman Shultz and Robert Wexler were there nodding their heads in affirmation when Biden said that investigations are ongoing and data are being collected. He continued with your highlighted quote and the crowd erupted in applause.

edit: grammar

[BanTheGOP]

14. YES!! And adminsitration with SPINE

This is why it is IMPERATIVE To ensure that the congress remain democratic. While not having 60 democrats in the senate is not as important as when a repuke has stolen the presidency, we can at LEAST ensure that such investigations will NOT be impeded by Congress.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and a slew of repukes in prison by 2010...SWEET!!

[Gidney N Cloyd]

12. Won't the inevitable blanket pardons at the end of *'s term make charges pointless?

I love to hear this kind of talk but I'd much more enjoy hearing the sound of jail doors clanking shut and plaintive wails of 'Helllp daddy!! Helllp Uncle Jim!! Mamaaaa!!" I suspect it will never happen.

[MadMaddie]

69. Here is the key...

They can take their time and continue with the evidence gathering there is no rush for them to file charges this year.

Once Obama and Biden are elected and sworn into office....January surprise - File all charges.

No Pardon and no excuse!

[aquart]

82. Here is the catch: pardons for any and all unspecified prior bad acts.

Pardon power is absolute. It's possible we may want to alter that in some small way.

[polmaven]

113. BUT...The president cannot,, ,

I don't believe, pardon HIMSELF.

[Qutzupalotl]

13. Hence their desperation.

They are not above trying to steal another one, even while we're watching closely.

They are not above purging voter rolls; we just have to register more new voters.

They are not above fomenting war with Russia, Pakistan or Iran...or all three...to make people flock to McCain in fear. Thank God impeachment would be put back on the table in that event...if it can be proven that they were reckless in this.

My point is they have EVERYTHING to lose, and a cornered animal is the most dangerous kind.

[Ezlivin]

17. DefCon 5

You are right: They are cornered and they are desperate.

Unfortunately the American public is so dumbed-down that they will believe anything they see on television or hear from the radio.

I have a sinking feeling that if the election is stolen in November we won't be able to change the results even if we have lots of good evidence.

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. Yep they will do whatever it takes to steal this election! Count on it!

[TuxedoKat]

15. Thank you Joe and

I'm sorry about your loss of Kikoo.

[mmonk]

16. Best news yet.

[Liberalynn]

18. Now thats what I want to hear

[Ilsa]

19. Excellent! and I want justice for Siegelman, too. nt

[AtomicKitten]

20. While I applaud this promise of a reckoning, Bush-Cheney should have been impeached years ago.

[mmonk]

25. Absolutely. Some Constitutional crimes aren't statutory crimes.

[SammyWinstonJack]

21. Let the stealing of election '08 by the rethugs commence!

Whatever it takes, you just know they will fight to retain power/not be held criminally negligent by an Obama/Biden Administration! x(

Wait for it, their a$$e$ are on the line!

[SeaLyons]

23. YES

[OnyxCollie]

24. I'm sorry to hear about your cat, kpete. nt

[L. Coyote]

26. Coyotes eat elephants for breakfast!

For the record :rofl:

[montanto]

76. did you read the part about where

a coyote ate kpete's cat? Not funny.

[wryter2000]

27. Awesome

And I want a kick-ass Attorney General.

[pleah]

28. K&R

[Canuckistanian]

29. K&R

THIS is important.

[madokie]

30. Just what I've been wanting to hear

and let the chips fall where they may

[garybeck]

31. there's only one problem with this

they have to win the election.

Considering the last two were stolen, I wouldn't count on it.

I'm not trying to put down the positive thinkers. I have hope, myself. But getting excited about something that might happen after they get elected is just setting ourselves up. Let's try to get them in office first, then hopefully they'll restore some justice to the horrible things that have happened in the last 8 years.

[L. Coyote]

32. Recreate 2006!!

Think positive!

[Pacifist Patriot]

70. This is why GOTV will be crucial.

It would be a lot tougher to explain a 20% discrepancy from exit polling than a 5%.

[Cleita]

33. Coyotes got two of mine

including one that was my all time favorite in my lifetime, almost seventy years. You are nicer than me because I haven't forgiven them. I wish them no harm and wouldn't do anything to interfere with their natural life style, but I don't think nice thoughts of them.

[snappyturtle]

36. I feel the same way Cleita.....and on the Joe Biden comments:

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[Pavulon]

47. Many farm cats have this problem

hard to keep barns free of mice. So a 22-250 a red spotlight, and taped call do the trick.

[YvonneCa]

34. I was watching this live yesterday...

...from Florida. A very hopeful answer. :)

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

35. Hey Joe!

:yourock:




"If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation," he said, "they will be pursued, not out of vengeance, not out of retribution - out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no one, no attorney general, no president, no one is above the law."

[Raksha]

37. Okay, NOW I can get 100% behind this campaign.

I couldn't until now. Those are the words I've been waiting to hear. Holding the Bush administration accountable is *THE* issue for me, and that's one campaign promise I'm not going to forget.

Re Looking to the future but with one eye on the past, Biden also promised that an Obama-Biden government would go through Bush administration data with "a fine-toothed comb" and pursue criminal charges if necessary.

"If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation," he said, "they will be pursued, not out of vengeance, not out of retribution - out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no one, no attorney general, no president, no one is above the law."

Not only do we need to re-establish the rule of law, it's the ONLY way to discourage some future gang of psychopaths from getting a stranglehold on our government.

[WritersBlock]

118. My thoughts exactly. This had been my only hesitation on full support of Obama. I'm there now.

NOW I can get excited.

Otherwise I'd just have been voting for him because he was a Democrat.

Now I can vote for him because I *want* to.

[morgan2]

39. sounds like bs to me

There already is clear evidence to pursue criminal charges. period.

[davekriss]

93. The only problem with that ...

...is that the Attorney General, a Bush appointee, has to decide to pursue charges. You can't lay that at the feet of the Democrats. However, there is a clear case for impeachment (which is the natural recourse when checkmated in this manner), and that we can lay down at their feet.

[horseshoecrab]

40. K&R n/t

[Norrin Radd]

41. Make it so.

[Mugweed]

42. Hope

Federal "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison time...to steal a line from the movie Office Space.

Of course, it would be wrong for me to hope for Cheney to end up with the same fate as Jim McDougal.

[vanderBeth]

43. What can Biden do to make me love him more?

[POAS]

44. Bush isn't worried, they have

industrial strength shredders.

[Herman74]

45. There's a God in Heaven After All...

...of course I don't really believe that, but it expresses how I'm feeling right now!!O8)

[jillan]

46. Omg - I hope this was okay by Obama. Biden had said this while he was running for Pres.

It just doesn't sound like something Obama would say tho.

[fla nocount]

48. Bullshit Banker Joe...he acted like you would given the opportunity.

You understand don'cha? To keep food on the table and a roof over the family's head. He's just a man doin' his best...like you.

[dmr]

49. Preserving our Constitution is what I want most

I'm happy to hear this, and I truly hope it's so. Both are Constitutional men. That is what sold me on both of them.

Without the Constitution nothing else matters. If we do nothing, it only gives license for the next Coup to make fascism a reality in America. We must create safe-guards to stop what the Bush*/Cheney Administration was able to do to our country. I only wish there could be something to also force Congress to honor their Oath of Office to protect the Constitution from men like Bush*/Cheney. If not, then somehow a citizen's group can be activated to force a Congressional intervention.

My mind gets blown away when I think of the multiple crimes, the frauds, and to be nice, the mis-management that this Administration has inflicted upon all of us, this country, and the world. There are so many - that we know of. What else is hidden. Cheney and David Addington are sneaky sonofabitches. What have they hidden to be set in place to be utilized by the next Coup? Obama/Biden will need a hepa-filter more than a fine tooth comb.


Biden also promised that an Obama-Biden government would go through Bush administration data with "a fine-toothed comb" and pursue criminal charges if necessary.

"If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation," he said, "they will be pursued, not out of vengeance, not out of retribution - out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no one, no attorney general, no president, no one is above the law."

[Uncle Joe]

50. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.:thumbsup:

[wildbilln864]

51. k&r! nt

[mdmc]

52. doubt it

it would take too much courage to hold bush accountable

[Plucketeer]

54. GO JOE!

:grr:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

55. WaHoo! That is gutsy!

[midnight]

56. If....... That one word is concerning.

Biden also promised that an Obama-Biden government would go through Bush administration data with "a fine-toothed comb" and pursue criminal charges if necessary.

[Kermitt Gribble]

57. Go Joe!!!!!

Wow, what a treat! I come home from work and am greeted by this post and the posts on the pundits speaking their minds thinking the mics are off! What a night!

[rndmprsn]

58. K+R because the truth has to come out

[Voltaire99]

59. Ha, ha. Suuuuuuuuure, Joe. Heard it all before.

But that won't stop some of you believing, will it?

[pokercat999]

60. Sorry for your loss.

I hope you will keep Kikoo's repalcement safely INSIDE!
It is estimated that free roaming domestic cats kill over 40 million birds in the US every year! Keep the next one inside please.

[biermeister]

61. Ripvanbiden??

What did he just wake up?

I'd love to see a couple of investigations into the criminal activities that have occurred during the past 8 years but I suspect this is election year BS.

[santamargarita]

62. Don't let them steal the election and make Bush LEAVE when they lose!

Then lock em up!

[knixphan]

63. SMOKIN' JOE!!!!!!!!

I love you, dude!

[malaise]

64. Keep an eye on those cornered rats

Go Joe! Go Obama!

[knixphan]

65. Let's make sure Joe can hear us cheering!

:applause: :applause: :applause:
:applause: :applause: :applause:
:applause: :applause: :applause:
:applause: :applause: :applause:
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[knixphan]

66. V

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. "

- V for Vendetta

[orleans]

67. take that, nancy! (sorry about your poor cat, kpete) n/t

[rambler_american]

68. Don't tease me, Bro

:kick:

[djp2]

71. Pardons, but?

Bush can pardon those below him,but not himself...bet he'll try though.
There must be a way around the pardons... you know civil charges, World Court, state courts?

Let's Bushie see pardons everyone, including Cheney, then steps down day before OBAMA takes office, Cheney is President and then pardons Bushie??

[MasonJar]

73. That means the GOPers will have to steal it, so watch out!

[paparush]

74. Crimes... WAR Crimes!!!

Capital Crimes.

============================

US Law Concerning War Crimes

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 118 > § 2441

§ 2441. War crimes

(a) Offense.— Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (b), shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death.

[RoccoR5955]

75. This is music to my ears! It will bring out more voters...

...to vote OBAMA/BIDEN!!!!!!!
WAY TO GO JOE!

[George II]

77. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO WIN THIS ELECTION!!!!

Our only chance to get our OWN attorney general, our OWN FBI director, our OWN district attorneys, etc. etc. etc.

[Chef Eric]

78. Meanwhile, Bush is working on a BIG October Surprise.

MSNBC is reporting a U.S. incursion into Pakistan:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26522492/

Bush knows that killing Bin Laden is his only shot at avoiding an Obama-Biden victory.

[Chef Eric]

79. Meanwhile, Bush is working on a BIG October Surprise.

MSNBC is reporting a U.S. incursion into Pakistan:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26522492/

Bush knows that killing Bin Laden is his only good shot at avoiding an Obama-Biden victory.

[Senator]

80. Empty Impeachophobic Rhetoric Has Always Been On The Table

Just as long as it does NOT mean actually DOING some damn thing to stop the ongoing torture and war criminality oneself.

Impeachment remains the ONLY moral, patriotic option.

Failure to demand it immediately makes one part of the problem, not the solution.

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[judasdisney]

100. BINGO. Exactly.

[tomp]

106. Bingo, exactly, exactly! nt

[aquart]

81. You're just trying to make me like him.

And if he does this, I WILL. (See, I'm so easy.)

[Sick Of Their Lies]

84. Bush

Will declare Marshall law after Obama/Biden wins the election and he will declare himself dictator for life.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

85. Thankyou, Joe!

:loveya::loveya::loveya:

[lisainmilo]

86. talk about "HOPE"

I hope for this will all my heart and soul!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

87. I wish they would start now

[samuraiguppy]

88. Brilliant!

we need to push this hard. It wlll resonate with people and win lots of votes if they know we will be tough about prosecuting was criminals

[zanne]

90. Watch out, Palin! Your snark will cost you; Joe's in charge! nt

[The Craw]

91. Expect Republican plant Pelosi to block this

Pelosi will block all efforts that seek to hold Bush and Cheney accountable for their crimes against humanity.
Pelosi is either a Republican plant or has been bought off- I can't understand why else she would be so reluctant to prosecute Bush.

[LaPera]

92. "If necessary" get real...."No one is above the law"-True, but let's see..

We've been shot down once too often...and talk fades.....Let's hope, Obama/Biden really want to pin Bush down, along with McCain's support for his crimes...If it gains momentum fine, if not they'll simply just move on....and we'll be left in the dust..."Helplessly Hoping" again....my thoughts...Bush will slide on by with a bullshit "patriot" label and left alone....and leaving us grasping, while they tell us to move on as well.

[im1013]

97. I've said this a million times, but I'll say it again....

I love Joe Biden!!!!

:beer:

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. I'll believe it when I see it

yes, I am that cynical and disappointed any longer

[judasdisney]

101. Skepticism is NOT cynicism. Misuse of vocabulary. But I agree 100%, it's empty rhetoric considering

considering the multiple golden opportunities-on-a-silver-platter Democrats were handed for 2 years, but they chose to do nothing.

No, actually, it's worse than that.

Pelosi & Co. cynically sat on their hands regarding the Iraq War for 2 years simply for political advantage, while American kids' blood was spilled.

Let me repeat that: American kids' blood was spilled UNOPPOSED BY DEMOCRATS simply for sheer political gain, to "not rock the boat" for 2008.

Now THAT's the real definition of "cynical."

[Individualist]

115. Ditto

The "ifs" in Biden's statements say a lot. There were criminal charges in the articles of impeachment presented by Kucinich with no ifs, ands or buts.

[Individualist]

116. Dupe

[judasdisney]

99. They won't do shit. Democrats had their chance for 2 years, and they immunized telecoms instead.

[Indi Guy]

102. K & R - I don't care who you are - You fuck with Constitutional Law ..You put yourself under it!...

Nixon & gang learned this -- and so should our latest band of elite ideological traitors.

This said, I don't care if Barack pardons Bush (the useful tool), just as long as Cheney & his high level gang of paranoid conspiratorial henchmen are finally held accountable.

[Blarch]

103. I call BS.

Bill Clinton promised the very same thing over Iraqgate.

We got zip ...Bill did nothing but protect the criminals. Don't hold your breath peeps.

[tomp]

104. "If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone....

..for a criminal violation,"? IF??????????? You mean he doesn't know bush/cheney, inc is guilty of crimes? this is nothing but a slightly emphasized version of obama's statement previously. it's not good enough.

[bdamomma]

105. they better be pursued Joe.

THEY ARE WAR CRIMINALS.

[eshfemme]

107. Woohoo!!! Kick!

:kick:

[dccrossman]

108. K & R

Go Biden!

[roberto]

109. SO WHAT ?

He can say what he wants... but everyone there will be looking in order that it does not take place, if ever they get elected ... I mean, republicans are so strong even within our lines ... and we are so embedded in the middle east now ... that the Establishment will never allow such a president-vice president.

[Name removed]

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[owlbear33]

111. Unless impeachment charges are filed NOW it'll be pardons all around

This is all just rhetoric. Kucinich has been pushing impeachment around for quite a while now and has yet to have any senator help. Also can you really trust that Obama will do anything to help? He backed off of FISA and is wishy-washy now about off shore drilling. In addition, he has voted for appropriations for the Iraq war that he so vehemently opposed. If you're going to be against something do it all the way.
All the Current administration has to do is pardon themselves before they leave office and smile into the sunset with the billions that are awaiting them from all their pals in the petrochemical and military-industrial set.

[BanTheGOP]

117. They can't pardon themselves if charges are brought up AFTER they leave office!

Charges will not be brought upon them until Obama and Biden are in office. I would probably have to say that Biden will most probably lead the investigation in the first place. But once charges are filed, they won't be in a position to pardon, because they are out of office at that time.

[alllyingwhores]

114. YES, YES...AND FUCKING YES!!!