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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:13 PM
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China Goes The Big Squeeze; Fix Freddie And Fannie … Or Else.
A high-ranking Chinese economist has put his nation's cards on the table in the global financial poker game by effectively telling the US to fix Freddie and Fannie … or else.

"A failure of US mortgage finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could be a catastrophe for the global financial system", Yu Yongding, a former adviser to China's central bank, says.

"If the US government allows Fannie and Freddie to fail and international investors are not compensated adequately, the consequences will be catastrophic," Yu said in e-mailed answers to Bloomberg. "If it is not the end of the world, it is the end of the current international financial system."

It is well within the bounds of imagination. People have been thinking the unthinkable for some time.

Yu Yongding, whose statement seems to have been lost to most of the world as the Olympics came to a merciful end, is described as "a former adviser to China's Central Bank". He is possibly the most highly accredited economist in China. A list of his positions would fill a little red book.

Men like Yu Yongding don't just get up one morning and say this sort of thing. US Treasury Secretary Paulson was put on notice.

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SYDNEY MORNING HERALD: http://business.smh.com.au/business/china-goes-the-big-squeeze-20080829-45q8.html
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:15 PM
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1. Yu Yongding... (sounds like an insult to me)
:rofl:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:18 PM
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2. Woah.
This is big, no?

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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:19 PM
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4. I'd say huge. Our policy being made by China. HUGE
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:50 PM
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5. In my opinion it is. China has remained quiet on this situation due to the Olympics.
Now, the economic 'chickens are coming home to roost'.

If foreign investment stops and retreats, the US economy is hosed.

Of course, we can always print more money and stoke inflation some more.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:22 PM
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17. Good thing the MSM are all over it. It's important for the American people
to understand what our real situation is.

What? The MSM aren't covering it? Surely you jest!
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:18 PM
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3. So Bush has put our collective balls in China's hands
and now they wish to squeeze. Way to go W.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:51 PM
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6. What are they gonna do?
Take away Wal-Mart?

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:52 PM
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7. So what now, we all get in front of the tank?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:59 PM
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8. Rumor is..
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 07:00 PM by sendero
...that Paulsen was being threatened and that is why he pushed through that 800 billion bailout legislation a month or so ago.

So what? Well, China can put us in a world of hurt by not buying more of our debt. Problem is, it would hurt them too.

Other problem is, they were happy to receive extra risk premium (about a half percent above "safe" treasuries) on their investment in the GSEs, but now that it has soured they expect to be bailed out.

Assholes all around on this deal.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:16 PM
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14. Fuck 'em.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 07:32 AM
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21. Well....
.. if I had any say in the matter, that is exactly what we'd do.

Them, and the big IBs and the big banks, everyone who has been feeding at the trough should now reap their just deserts.

As for China, yes they can hurt us but really if we sneeze they catch a big cold and they know it. They hold a lot of cards, but by no means all of them.

And we, as a country, are going to have to learn to live without debt sometime.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:01 PM
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9. What defines "adequate compensation" to international investors?
They take possession of Amtrak? What?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:42 PM
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10. "The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." V.I. Lenin
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 07:42 PM by Tierra_y_Libertad
And, those cunning Chinese commies (in name only), are holding the rope.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:52 PM
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11. Simply a matter of time before China dumps all those dollars
China is merely waiting the US out for when we are properly leveraged and they have calculated advantage
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:59 PM
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12. Translation: "Borrow more money from us to give to us or we won't let you borrow more money to give
us!!!!!!!!!!!!"

:crazy:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:17 PM
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15. LOL. Looks like both parties are fucked.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:14 PM
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13. 67,000 businesses closed and millions of workers laid off
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 08:14 PM by madrchsod
because of the recession. china is facing inflationary pressure and rising wages. the middle class in china demands wage growth and more goods and services which can only be provided by selling products to the usa and europe.

of course they want economic stability but it`s not going to come anytime soon. so good luck china keeping your middle class fat and happy because they are gnawing on the carcass of what is left of ours.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:27 PM
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16. Olympics are over
They don't need to be diplomatic anymore.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:02 PM
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18. This feckless Bush Admin can't fix Freddie/Fannie no matter what they do
China knows that.

The only thing this GOP admin can do is try to keep fooling the people with happy talk. China is harshing the buzz.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:20 PM
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19. "Hello, this is the bank. We need to talk about your account."
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:31 PM
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20. This is the biggest story of the past decade.
This is exactly what I have feared ever since bush took office: the end of the current international monetary system. Petrodollar recycling propping up US equity markets wasn't good enough for the greedy bastards. They augmented it by the dangerous growth of the fictitious economy of derivatives and debt recycling. This house of cards could only last as long as the players pretended to believe in it. This is a signal that the house may soon fall down.

China, Japan and Europe do not want to face the fallout of the end of the current international monetary system because the readjustment period will be long and harsh on all involved and the future balance of power uncertain. They would not be be making these sounds unless things were very serious.

My prediction: US and foreign central banks will come to the rescue, propping up the system long enough to see what the next US administration brings. The burden will be carried on the backs of American taxpayers at the expense of our overall standard of living. The alternative is much bleaker (for the US, at least).
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:59 PM
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22. I also think this will fall onto us taxpayers
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 06:00 PM by DemReadingDU
But I also see this as the first in a chain of dominoes. Whatever Paulson decides to do, will cause something else to happen with the financials. Ultimately, I see no one having any credit (individuals and businesses), but not quite sure how that comes about.

oops, spelling
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