So .... Catholics are no longer Christian?

[Stinky The Clown]

MSNBC had a graphic up earlier today comparing Biden and Palin on various points. One of them was "religion".

Biden was listed as "Catholic".

Palin was listed as "Christian".

I thought that anyone who believed in Christ was a Christian.

[Gato Moteado]

1. the way most mainstream christians act, i'd say they don't believe in christ

nt

[LostinVA]

2. Oddly enough -- Palin is Catholic

Although, of the weird "fundie" sort. Not what I would consider a real Catholic.

[fishwax]

9. I heard she was Pentacostal

I know she was involved with FCA, which is protestant in orientation ...

[w8liftinglady]

15. Assembly of God,according to Wikipedia

[jwirr]

19. If that is correct then she is a genuine fundie.

[w8liftinglady]

33. as recently as 08/2008

http://livingtext.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/palins-church/

[Chovexani]

47. Now that is frightening

:scared:

[LostinVA]

23. Weird -- I read she was Catholic

Anyway, I'm glad to hear she isn't Catholic. The less nuts in the Church, the better.

[fishwax]

28. haha--true that

The less nuts in the Church, the better. :)

[a la izquierda]

63. As a Catholic I second your post. N/T

[FreakinDJ]

3. MSNBC needs to be called on their Religious Bigotry

I hear this from Uneducated Religious Fundies (who are purposesly kept in the dark) but not anyone with 1/2 an education in religion

[G_j]

66. absolutely! this is Religious Bigotry nt

[WindRiverMan]

4. As someone raised a Catholic

no. There is very little if anything in common with the born again Christain. I can give details if need be.

[DesertFlower]

11. christians seem to want to

separate themselves from catholics. i was raised catholic too, but gave up the church in my early 20s. i'm almost 67.

[jwirr]

22. It is more correct to say that protestants, especially fundies, want

to separate themselves from Catholics. The word Christian encompasses all of them.

[DesertFlower]

5. self delete

dupe

[musette_sf]

6. i never knew Catholics were not Christians

till i went to North Louisiana.

my father-in-law-at-the-time (Klanner) just about shit when i told him i was Catholic.

[rurallib]

7. catholic is often listed as a specific religion but .......

there are many 'christians' that do not accept catholics as christian. I was once catholic and married to the daughter of one of those nutcases. He finally won in the end.

[seabeyond]

8. i was talking to a friend that said something about christian. i said catholic christian

no she says, ... no they are something else.

i have been hearing htis since living in this area.

[dsc]

10. Is she a member of a Church of Christ?

If so that is actually called 'Christian'.

[mitchtv]

12. A Rovian tactic

Take you rival's strong point (in this case apostolic succession) and turn it back on them.One can only wonder ehat they think of Orthodox and eastern rite

[thunder rising]

13. I guess "Christian" is the old Protestant.

[DesertFlower]

14. i don't know.

i think this "born again" stuff came about in the late 70s early 80s. i never heard about it before then.

[jwirr]

26. Yes and it is related very much to the baptist and pentecostal beliefs. nt

[Hardrada]

50. No. Not here in Iowa. Christian is specifically born-again

Fundamentalist as in "Christian" rock etc. Lutherans, Methodists and Episcopals, and Calvinists of all kinds are outside the fold. And Missouri Synod Lutherans would dislike, in their turn, a term so generic.

[Gormy Cuss]

72. No, it's new Protestant.

Many of the fundamentalists who call themselves Christians (rather than a denominational name) don't consider Lutherans or Episcopalians to be Christians either.

[MichiganVote]

16. That has always been true. Papists can't be Christians and Christians can't be Catholics.

Strange huh........

[thunder rising]

17. You are confusing "Christian" with "Protestant" look it up ... they are all Christian

[MichiganVote]

21. Nope. Sorry. Just regurgitating my Catholic upbringing. If you're not Catholic,

you're Protestant. And if you're Protestant, you're not Catholic. And if you're not Catholic,you're not part of the one true church. In which case, you're going to Hell because you don't believe in the transubstantiation.

So there you have it Sportsfans.

[LostinVA]

25. Catholics don't believe non-Catholics are going to hell

[MichiganVote]

30. Not in my upbringing. They didn't even bother to call it by that trendy new phrase,

"saved". Believe in the transubstantiation or perish. That was the lesson then.

[a la izquierda]

67. Which is nice. The priest in my church is very inclusive.

It's one of those "librul" Catholic Churches, where undocumented workers are welcomed and there is never a fear that they will be ratted on. It's the only reason I go there.

[Generic Brad]

My mother must not have gotten that memo

Because, according to her, that is exactly why I am going to burn in hell for eternity.

[LostinVA]

77. I guess she didn't

I was a CCD teacher, so I know the Catechism pretty well. Your mother's wrong.

[Generic Brad]

75. My mother must not have gotten that memo

Because, according to her, that is exactly why I am going to burn in hell for eternity.

[dflprincess]

29. I also had a Catholic upbringing.

If you believe in Jesus Christ then you are a Christian whether you are Catholic or Protestant. The extreme nut-case fundies are the ones who don't think Catholics are Christians. I got into this once with a neighbor who referred to her daughter-in-law as "a Catholic, but she's a christian Catholic." She was most insulted when I told her that sounded stupid.

[MichiganVote]

31. Yes. I know the drill. I remember it well. But in those days, it was the

Prod's who were considered the 2nd class religious citizens according to the Catholics.

[shimmergal]

45. Thanks!

I think yours is the first comment on this thread that got it right( Though some comments may be tongue-in-cheek.) There are actually 3 main branches of Christianity: Protestant, Roman Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox. But all 3 believe in Jesus Christ and thus are Christians.

Calling only "born-again" Protestants "Christians" is done mostly by fundamentalists, but unfortunately, much of the MSM has picked up on it. I don't know how much of that is deliberate, and how much just stems from their ignorance, or laziness. Anyhow, some of the rest of us hate it, because it makes all Christians look like nut jobs.

[mmonk]

18. America is heading back to it's old socially accepted bigotry.

Ever since 9/11 and the hype that all Muslims want to kill us for our freedoms, people are gravitating back to their old divisions and religious bigotry due to being constantly fed ignorance and hate on rightwing radio.

[magellan]

43. Gravitating? I'd say wholeheartedly encouraged

The Repubs feed it and the Dems have nothing to say about it. There's zero leadership denouncing racial/religious/cultural divides...or the deadly results (Adkisson, Gartrell....).

Apparently things are exactly as they would have them.

[old mark]

20. Many Evangelicals/Christian Rightists do not regard

Catholics as "Christians", never have. They define things their own way, and by their own "logic".
Many of them believe Catholics to be the equivalent of foreign agents, their thoughts and actions controled by the Pope, and thus anti-American as well.

mark

[WindRiverMan]

24. I know Pope Benedict emails me at least twice a week

with strict marching orders.

[a la izquierda]

65. ROFL!!! N/T

[old mark]

69. This was part of the BS when JFK ran for the first time -

there was a lot of publicity about how the Pope would be "in control" of the US President, therefor the US.

FWIW, the only time the pope's guys contact me, they are asking for money.

mark

[The Gunslinger]

27. The far right christian fundamentalists bash catholics

The believe intolerant Jesus is the only Jesus.

[TankLV]

32. how many angles can dance on the head of a pin...?

chrissake - how low have we decended...it's certainly a race to the bottom...

[Fumesucker]

64. It depends on whether they are right angles or obtuse angles..

;)

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Christians don't consider Catholics to be members of the same family

My husband was catholic, but I knew that well before I even met him

In the states that goes all the way back to the 18th century

[MichiganVote]

35. And Catholics do not consider 'Christians' to be a part of the one true church.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. There you go and I will go to hell anyhow since I am Jewish

(Serious I gave that answer to a fundy who was bugging me over my DnD habit, or in that particular case, work)

[MichiganVote]

37. My friend and I have invented the essential alternative to hell......

the back porch where you can have all the smokes and booze you want. Pot too if you want it. Look for me I'm the Greeter.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Cool, the best part is that as a Jew I don't have to worry

there is NO hell.

:-)

Hey I'll bring some beer...

[MichiganVote]

42. Cool. No belief in Hell, no cover charge. :)

[DesertFlower]

48. remember about a year ago

ann coulter said that jews had to be perfected. oy vey.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Yep, and I also know what that is code for

[DesertFlower]

46. i thought jews didn't believe in hell. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. No we don't but it makes for really confusing conversations with oh

fundies.

It is actually fun to pull their strings that way

[DesertFlower]

60. i'm an atheist.

i don't believe in hell either.

[undeterred]

38. Broadly speaking there are 3 branches of Christianity

Eastern Orthodox- which branches off before Roman Catholic and includes separate versions of very old Orthodox churches like Russian, Greek, Serbian, etc.

Roman Cathoic- which is continuous since the first century

Protestant Christianity- which starts in the 16th century with the Reformation and includes the Lutheran church and many, many others which follow...including fundamentalists (although there can be Catholic fundamentalists)

In answer to your question, yes, they are all Christian. Roman Catholics would probably look at the others and say that they were. Fundamentalists would say that anyone who was not their own faith was not a "christian" because they have a very specific view of salvation.

For the purposes of categorizing people like on MSNBC, I have seen Catholic mean Roman Catholic and Christian apparently be used to mean Protestant. This is confusing, but I am pretty sure thats what they are doing. Orthodox refers to one of the Eastern Orthodox churches.

[knitter4democracy]

68. Technically, they branched off from us.

The Western church branched off from the Eastern church, considering it was their pope who excommunicated our patriarch and everyone under him for political reasons. ;)

[undeterred]

71. This is true.

:hi:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

40. Among fundamentalists and evangelicals only people who have "born again" experiences

are considered real Christians.

If you can't specify a single time when you were "saved," then a lot of fundamentalists and evangelicals will not accept you as a Christian.

Quite arrogant of them, since the variety of fundamentalism and evangelicalism that we know in America is only a little more than 100 years old.

[Princess Turandot]

44. Another objection that they have..

at least against Catholics, is the 'good works' component that goes hand and hand with 'faith' in Catholicism. I think that's because they sort of believe that being 'saved' also means 'safe to sin' since Jesus already died to gain forgiveness for their sins. Kind of like you're insulting Jesus for that effort if you mention the pesky Sermon on the Mount.

[DesertFlower]

49. i always say to that.

"i take responsibility for my own sins." it just seems to easy "jesus died for our sins" so we can keep sinning and we're forgiven. i don't think it works that way.

[Hardrada]

54. Didn't you ever go up front at a Billy Graham service?

One of my Lutheran cousins did in MPLS. Does that count?

[Hardrada]

73. Excuse me, I meant a Billy Graham CRUSADE!

[GreenPartyVoter]

41. That graphic had to have been put up by a RW evangelical protestant

[Bluebear]

51. Just ask that nut Jack Chick if Catholics are Christian....

Death cookie eucharist!!!1111

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

The truly nutty fringe consider Catholics as non-Christians.

[Skip Intro]

52. You're only a true Christian if you believe in raping the earth, screwing the poor, and waging wars

It's not like Christ was a messenger of peace and good will toward all or anything.

:sarcasm:

[Solly Mack]

53. I'm laughing. I've said it a million times if I've said it once

Everyone thinking the separation of church and state isn't important or can be breached...even a little...are in for a big surprise when they discover they have the wrong religion.

Right wing fundies don't mean freedom of ALL religions....just the ONE they approve of

[Mind_your_head]

58. Yes, that IS what it has lately come to. Very wrong though

if one wants to separate church from state, which is desirable.

[Mind_your_head]

55. I make a *feeble* attempt to know/understand 'the Christ'......

continually I am humbled in my effort.

[galledgoblin]

59. is it possible that Palin is non-denominational? n/t

[DailyGrind51]

61. Some Evangelicals don't consider Catholics, true Christians.

Catholics believe in collective faith, The word "catholic" means "universal". Evangelicals believe in individual faith, Jesus Christ is one's "personal savior".

Evangelicals believe in "salvation by faith alone". Catholics believe that "faith without deeds is meaningless".

[Irishonly]

62. When I was a kid

My mom was a nurse at Mercy, a Catholic hospital in Des Moines. I had surgery when I was ten and my hospital band said Protestant so I have always thought the two religions were considered separate.

I have been polled a few times and asked if I consider myself a "born again" Christian and I always say no. I belong to a church that fundies reject as Christian. Unitarians, United Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ and other more mainstream denominations are scored by fundies.

As a kid (5 years old) I went to an Assembly church once with a friend. There was a purple velvet drape and I was told God lived behind it. I wasn't about to pass up a chance to speak to God and couldn't understand why the church made God live behind a drape. This wild eyed woman called me the devil's child and I have been leary of fundies ever since. BTW, my friend's family didn't go back either.

[Paula Sims]

70. As a Ukrainian Catholic, here's what I was taught to answer:

Religion: Christian
Denomination: Byzantine Rite Ukrainian Catholic.

Yea, I know it's splitting hairs but we (Ukrainian Catholics & Ukrainian Orthodox) have been struggling for identity for centuries so we always bring it up. Technically, there was one officially recognized church with heads in Rome & Constantinople and then in 1054 the split happened and you got the Eastern Church (Orthodox & it's many flavors) and Catholic (Western, which includes Roman & Byzantine Rite Catholics). Then there are the Protestants with their flavors but they didn't come on the scene until centuries later.


Paula

[Gormy Cuss]

76. Too many in media and elsewhere have forgotten that Christianity is a religion

with many denominations. I think "denomination" must be too big a word for the news people.

[dtotire]

74. Catholics refer to Protestants as "Separated Brethen"

They are still regarded as Christian.