Where's Edwards?

[Resuscitated Ethics]

I miss Edwards. I refuse to believe that his alleged dalliances are any worse than mccain ditching his crippled wife for a leggy beauty back in the day. I guess National Enquirer and Entertainment Tonight have the power to destroy politicians and dictate to DNC who is palatable based on whatever they feel like. Fuck that!!

I think Edwards is bright and his heart is in the right place and he should be at the convention. I miss him and refuse to judge him based on the scandal of the day. Fucking hypocrites piss me off. I still want John Edwards to participate in dismantling the cheney bush cabal.

Edwards for AG

[RB TexLa]

1. We are trying to get him out of prison. Even Dave Treen has ask Bush to pardon him

I know people have approached Senator Obama about a pardon if Bush doesn't grant one. Never seems to get much support on DU.


Edited: Oh you meant John Edwards. Actually I did see that, didn't care, wanted to put my reply anyway.

[TechBear_Seattle]

2. John Edwards is in prison?

When did this happen and why?

[RB TexLa]

3. Edwin. Just a bit of thread hijacking

[billyoc]

4. haha, Edwin Edwards.

:hi:

[musette_sf]

56. i had to laugh at your original answer

EWE definitely deserves a pardon IMHO, unlike Libby or Rove or any other of the BFEE criminals. and i hadn't thought in ages about voting for EWE against Treen many moons ago. the storm has been on my mind and therefore NOLA has been on my mind today. so thanks for your original answer.

[Crazy Dave]

5. I'll give the guy credit for one thing

He didn't make Elizabeth stand obediently by his side at a press conference like so many others do that get caught.

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. Perhaps he tried to get her to do so, but she refused

[Crazy Dave]

25. You know...

I was wanting to see the press showing her throwing all his clothes out on the lawn on their 28,000 sq. ft. mansion :rofl:

[Freddie Stubbs]

29. That looks like one of those componds that the FLDS people live at

[SoCalDem]

78. And he's probably moved into the barn n/t

[Sequoia]

50. Don't tell me those buildings are all connected together.

Talk about a fire hazard. It even looks like it could be in a flood zone. What do they need with all that sqaure footage anyway.

[Crazy Dave]

68. Don't know but I'll bet...

...it's not used to help all those homeless people he said he cares so much about or the people who got foreclosed on with the sub-prime lenders he had ties with.

It's a status, ego, look what I got thing. I personally know a couple who are doing the same thing, more the husband's idea though. They just finished a house three times the size as the one they raised their kids in who are now all grown and gone.They didn't need a bigger house or even a new one. The wife tells everyone that she liked the old house better but the husband was so worried that other people wouldn't think or know how rich they are if they stayed in their old house that they bought 25 years ago when they were not. And not only that, he didn't want to buy a bigger house already built either because he has to tell everyone it was custom built for him.

[Sequoia]

70. What is wrong with people?!!

So, John had ties with those sub-prime lenders? Sigh.

[Crazy Dave]

74. You're right

Can't just pick on him when a lot of other democratic members of congress and the senate own a shit-load of Exxon and Halliburton stock

So they own stock in the very same companies they say they hate and they claim victimizes all poor Americans. So what eh?

[Freddie Stubbs]

79. Maybe he needs places to hide his girlfriends

[okieinpain]

58. dude I'm amazed that you're able to get away with that little

bobble you have on your tag line.....

:~)

[bobbolink]

61. and your bouncing boobs thing is great for women because....?

I can't take anything you say seriously with that kind of sexism.

Too bad I can't block it from my sight... oh wait, I can!!

Little red "x", here I come!

[Crazy Dave]

81. It's a cartoon for cryin' out loud

:P

[Oilwellian]

6. Dearest repo....

I smell bullshit.

[malta blue]

11. dear George

I think I smell it too....

[Resuscitated Ethics]

20. Your own upper lip?

No BS, just appalled at the damaged goods. ALL politicians are damaged professional liars in some way or another-- John Edwards had such potential to really jail the bastards. I hate that Entertainment Tonight can bury someone that I had that much faith in--

[karynnj]

34. Where do you get that Edwards would jail corrupt people more than other AG possibilities?

He was NEVER a prosecutor, which many Senators were and he never headed an investigation in the Senate. He submitted no legislation that addressed either corruption though other Senators did.

The reason he is not there is that he is currently toxic - and would hurt the ticket. The ticket's success is more important than trying to help Edwards rehabilitate himself. If he is completely sincere on his causes, he needs to go and quietly work on those issues and only then try to return to the political stage. It is also not clear that all the shoes have dropped on this. If he used campaign money to pay her off or if the baby is his, he is likely politically dead forever - in the latter case it is not for having a child but for lying in his confession.

Not all politicians are liars - there are many that have long careers which they served with integrity. (To name a few - Kerry, Durbin, Feingold, Lautenberg are four that come to mind immediately - all with more progressive records than Edwards.

[Resuscitated Ethics]

35. Oh. That's where.

He really IS in the doghouse.

Thanks for the insight--another bubble burst. Sorry for swearing. I feel like I've lost a friend.

Obama-Biden 2008 and 2012

[karynnj]

46. I'm sorry too for the unnessary curtness

I do feel really bad for the people who had come to really connect, admire and like the Edwards. In some way, the amount of video, stories and perceived closeness we can now get with the nominees does make us feel that we know them more than we likely do. Some will justify those feelings by being true to the way they portrayed themselves, but some won't.

The ideals that Edwards spoke of were ones that are could to hold to. There are other people, in politics or out, who live by those ideals. Whether Edwards was sincere or not, he likely pushed some people to care and act against poverty. Those people deserve enormous praise and they will find other leaders - if Edwards can't lead.

[Resuscitated Ethics]

59. Very frustrating when enemy slime sticks -nm

[cali]

7. first of all, his affair isn't alleged; he admitted it was true.

Secondly, he's persona non grata not because of the affair but because of the disgustingly selfish lies and for allegedly misusing campaign funds for his dear little mistress.

He's damaged goods. And he's done. There is NO chance that he'll be AG. Thankfully.

[kstewart33]

8. I don't give 2-cents for Edwards. It's Elizabeth who needs

all of our support.

Edwards is a cad. It's unfathomable that he would carry on while Elizabeth is terminal with cancer. It's heartbreaking.

[Beer Snob-50]

13. while i agree that what edwards did was unfathomable

it must be understood that john edwards is a human with very human traits. he f**ked up and admitted he f**ked up! it does not change that he would have been a very good president and could be a very good ag.

[bdamomma]

14. Edwards made mistakes but he is not a murderer like the person

in the WH.

[Beer Snob-50]

31. exactly or any of the very unchristian like things he has done

this man has been the most unethical man ever in the white house (and that includes nixon)

[NYCGirl]

33. I think that paying off the mistress with campaign funds probably kills the AG

chances for him.

:evilgrin:

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. !

:thumbsup: he f**ked up and admitted he f**ked up! it does not change that he would have been a very good president and could be a very good ag. :applause:

And no one had the right to drag his dirty laundry out in public! PTB just wanted to make sure that he was no longer a viable candidate EVER AGAIN! :grr:

Mission Accomplished! :mad:

[Beer Snob-50]

43. this is a very sad trend right now

no one has the right to privacy anymore. can you imagine the presidents we would not have if this was done throughout history.

[SammyWinstonJack]

64. I watched "The Contender" and "Primary Colors" the opening night of the Dem Convention

and thought about exactly that! Two good movies, btw.

[hisownpetard]

9. Edwards entered into his campaign for President knowing that he had committed adultery against

his much-beloved cancer-stricken wife and mother of this children.
I contributed to his campaign. I supported his candidacy.
His judgment is seriously impaired if he thought he could have won the presidency without
this secret coming out.

It's not about his sexual morals or lack thereof.

It's about the fact that John Edwards was willing to imperil the entire country in order to satisfy his personal ambition.

End of story.

[blueknight]

10. i was a edwards fan,

but no more. what he has done,is one of the lowest things he could do. he is a POS imho.

[helderheid]

42. ditto and I was his biggest fan.

[jonnyblitz]

57. exactly. nt

[mnhtnbb]

12. The NC delegation is paying for Edwards actions. There's a front page article

in our local Raleigh paper today about how they've been put in the nosebleed section, sandwiched between
the delegation from Texas and Arizona! Ouch! Plus, the delegates have been relegated to a suburban
hotel--way out of town. :(

Very different treatment from 2004.


http://www.newsobserver.com/print/wednesday/front/story/1195769.html

[Sequoia]

52. Too bad the NC delegates have to be treated like red-haired step-children.

Or like the poor country cousin whose mom married beneath her.

[Toucano]

15. Edwards is radioactive.

Politically speaking, he has been buried somewhere in Nevada.

[okieinpain]

16. i don't hate the guy, but he has no one to blame but his penis... n/t.

[TornadoTN]

53. The Eenis! n/t

[okieinpain]

62. it's taken down many a man, and some women. n/t...

[The Straight Story]

17. He WAS there - they just couldn't get him out of the hotel room

said he had an old friend in from out of town or something.... :rofl:

[undeterred]

18. In the doghouse.

[mnhtnbb]

19. For the political cartoon showing Edwards in the doghouse

click the link:

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm?cartoonist=PowelD

[undeterred]

21. Perfect!

[mnhtnbb]

23. That ran in our local Raleigh paper.

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. He is exacly where he belongs

Out of sight, so that we can focus on Obama and McCain.

[gatorboy]

26. You're adorable!

Have a cookie.

[Bluenorthwest]

27. Your OP is a full tilt joke

If hypocrites piss you off, then you should be pissed off at John Edwards, who spent the Primary pontificating about how his 'Southern Baptist values' are an unmovable part of him, and because of that he sees marriage as a holy Sacrament, and so he just had to oppose marriage equality, you see, because it is only for 'one man and one woman' according to God.
Tell me what could be more hypocritical than that? Claiming fidelity and sanctimony in order to stand against a minority fighting for equal rights?
He stood on a high horse and lied through his teeth, with his wife there to help sell the lie, and the lies he told were told at the expense of others, who were not liars and cheats and defrauders of funds.
The hypocrite in question is John Edwards, who used good GLBT Americans as a scapegoat for his own lack of decency toward his sick wife and his family, not to mention his so called 'faith'.
It is not the sex, it is the lies, and the presenting of himself and his wife as some holy alliance of purity which must be protected from the awaful gays, while he was humping whoever he felt like, no thought to home and hearth. A liar. A hypocrite.
You should be pissed off at John Edwards and his needful wife or beard or what ever the hell she is to him. A prop? A servant? Clearly the one thing she is not is soulmate. A marriage of convenience presented as divine and respect demaned for that scam at the expense of real couples. They are fakes of the first degree, willing to burn other people to uphold a lie.
They could consider making apologies and attempting to mend the damage done, but they will not.

[undeterred]

28. One man and two women.

So he was a little off on the math. :shrug:

[Bluenorthwest]

30. And the truthfulness

And he, of his own free choice, made questions about legal issues into religious issues, allegedly because he was so very moral and traditional in his views on marriage. He did that freely. He passed the buck. He said 'those folks are bad 'cause they have a beer at dinner' while he was sucking back a fifth of gin, so that no one would question his drinking.
He used good GLBT families as cover for his own flaws, and he dared to do so in the name of God, no less. One of the most craven and self serving things I have ever seen out of anyone.

[undeterred]

38. I never trusted him.

Elizabeth always seemed more like the real deal to me. She seems to speak from a moral core, whereas John is always making a political calculation and re-inventing himself. A lot of people in Wisconsin chose Edwards early on, and they were shocked when Feingold pointed out that Edwards was just taking on all the positions that he (Feingold) had taken four years ago when they were less popular. Feingold has no need to re-invent himself as he gets things right the first time.

[lukasahero]

32. "They"? Elizabeth did nothing wrong

Please don't blame the wife for the sins of the husband.

[ailsagirl]

37. She's getting pounded for her knowledge of the affair, I read

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/08/26/elizabeth.edwards.ap/?iref=mpstoryview

[Blue Diadem]

44. I read her diary entry responses at Kos yesterday.

Some were pretty hard on her.

[ailsagirl]

60. Yes they were

[Bluenorthwest]

49. When he was doing his holy high horse on GLBT equality

Elizabeth knew it was a steaming pile of crap, not just a lie, but a lie told against others to enhance themselves. Bearing false witness while claiming to be too Baptist to live. She knew and she said nothing. He should have kept his mouth shut about his 'values' knowing he was doing what he was doing. And she should have called him on it.
They are free to rectify the situation via apology, truth telling and transfering of funds. Otherwise, I'm calling it as I see it. It took two to tell that lie, and she told it. For personal gain, knowing it was harmful to others. Good people don't do that. They just don't.

[Neshanic]

39. Nice try.

[tuckessee]

40. Probably out gettin' some.

And trying to figure whose donation money he can funnel to cover his tracks.

[Neshanic]

41. Edwards new song....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp96pa4rd-w

[LynneSin]

45. McCain ditched his wife several decades ago, Edwards is fresh news

You want this convention about Obama or about what Edwards did. Because if Edwards showed that's what it would be.

[qwertyMike]

47. Who cares?

He's a fuckin prick
He almost fooled me.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

48. What a terrific idea

Appoint Edwards as the chief law enforcement officer of the United States...

He is busy hiding his mistress all over the place and is paying off his #1 aid to say the baby is really his... He is dancing so fast it is comical. He was my choice and he made me a fool for supporting him. I would be quite irritated if Obama appointed him in any cabinet post.

Edwards is now political toxic waste.

[Dukkha]

51. not welcome to the party anymore

he wore out his welcome

[laureloak]

71. Speak for yourself. I still believe in Edwards' policies and so

do most Dems.

[Nipper1959]

54. who cares???

If you haven't noticed there is an election campaign in process that does not include Mr. Edwards.

[Nipper1959]

55. who cares???

If you haven't noticed there is an election campaign in process that does not include Mr. Edwards.

[williesgirl]

63. All I want is my hard earned money back that I donated to him!

[apnu]

65. He's probably home, doing the right thing, fixing his marriage.

Let him have his time and space. He'll come back, when he comes back.

[NoGOPZone]

66. Where's your profile?

:rofl:

[Resuscitated Ethics]

67. profiles are creepy but for you I updated.

I appreciate the troll watch and understand a low post number is a prime red flag. I don't have the time or desire to pad--

Edwards used to be the man-- hard to fathom the for-shitness that resulted. I purposely avoided the Enquirer analysis but there have been a few thoughtful responses here that I am still wrapping my pea brain around.

[gatorboy]

75. Your profile says you signed up a few weeks ago but your account says it began in 2006?

So which is it?

[Resuscitated Ethics]

80. It's both

Haven't felt this loved since I tried to get a lighter on a USAir flight back in my smoking days.

I'll do my best McCain: signed up a few years ago, lapsed, got a new password a few weeks ago so I could brag on my smoking victory and comment on the New Yorker hatred that was trolling through the site I was checking out every few weeks.

One day I'll donate so I can post on the ex smokers forum, too broke now

(edited by repo to cover up knee-jerk insults at the troll police, who despite my present discomfort I appreciate their diligence. where were you during the New Yorker slam dance?)

[gatorboy]

82. Well you edited your profile at least.

:P

[Resuscitated Ethics]

83. peace

thanks for noticing

[earth mom]

69. Edwards went up against the status quo and they annihilated him because of it.

Why does anyone think anything is going to change in '09 when those mo fos are the ones who are really running the entire country. :grr:

[karynnj]

72. Edwards never went against the status quo

other than in words in a campaign. There are very few politician that do - but give me ONE example of anything Edwards did in the Senate that went against the status quo. There are Senators who do - like:

Feingold, who stood alone against the Patriot act, who introduced legislation to censure Bush (co-sponsored by just Boxer, Harkin, and Kerry), and who with Kerry fought for a deadline to get out of Iraq

Wellstone, who was the true populist that Edwards wasn't, who with Kerry sponsored the Clean Money Clean elections bill that would have been REAL campaign finance reform

Boxer, who challenged Ohio's electoral votes in 2004 to get the voting irregularities in the Congressional record.

Kerry, who stood against Nixon as a brave 27 year old, who investigated the illegal arming of the Contras, and against the will of all the powers that be pursued his investigation of BCCI.

These are people who took real risks and made serious long term actions that were not popular, but they were right.

Edwards is in trouble now because he carried on a long term affair, while pretending to be the perfect husband to a woman dealing with cancer. It also seems likely he lied in his confession. It is not likely he told EE before the official start of the campaign as Hunter was with him in New Orleans. It is also still not clear if campaign money was misused. That is why he is in trouble - no conspiracy theory is needed.

[earth mom]

73. Edwards didn't get a chance to go up against the status quo-they made sure of it by ignoring

him during the primaries and by making sure he was kicked to the curb as fast as possible. But he would have kicked their butts if he'd had the chance! It was obvious that the status quo/powers that be were afraid of him, because the public adored both John and ELizabeth which meant he had a good shot at winning the White House. Believe what you will, but I am sure Edwards was a HUGE threat and they took him out.

Also, most people don't give a damn about Edwards affair. All we've seen is just a bunch of pot stirring by the powers that be/media to make Edwards look as bad as possible. They did the same thing to Clinton, which was total bullshit too. Edwards & Clinton only really hurt themselves and their families, but the media had to turn it into a circus because it's a huge money maker for them, plus it's a way to control public opinion. The campaign money hoopla is just more of the same.

Meanwhile, the powers that be are stealing everything that isn't nailed down from the American people. Which goes unreported by the corporate media.

So tell me, which is the bigger crime?

[karynnj]

77. There are many greater crimes - in fact there may not even be a crime here

What I don't buy is that the media worked against Edwards - he was one of their favorites in 2004, getting far more press than his numbers would have indicated. In fact the week before he was pretty much mathematically eliminated the NYT had an op-ed saying the Democrat would be "John", either Kerry or Edwards and then made the case for Edwards. In fact, Kerry had won 16 caucuses/primaries and Edwards 1 - Kerry was also ahead by double digits in all the states of the following week.

In 2005 and 2006, he was treated as one of the three big choices. That continued into 2007, it decreased only as his support decreased. He became an unlikely winner as soon as he lost Iowa, where he had spent a HUGE amount of time.

[Spike89]

76. Edwards talked a good game

And he is Hollywood Presidential as all get out, no surprise he hoodwinked so many. However, even before the affair, lots of us were sceptical--he didn't just vote for the war in Iraq, he cosponsored the bill! Then he ran as anti-war. He voted for the punitive bankruptcy bill, then ran as a friend of the poor. On and on, his record and his rhetoric failed to align. Even knowing this, I wanted him to succeed in bringing his new-found populist message to the forefront. I wanted to believe that even though he was an obvious opportunist, he could lead in a progressive way (I don't believe Presidents need to actually believe in their platforms, just get congress and the people to get behind it). Anyway, the whole affair thing blew up the entire thing--he can't lead now, he really has no past record to redeem himself. He's blown his chance.

[kstewart33]

84. I can't imagine Edwards getting elected anywhere, anyhow.

And to all the Edwards apologists on this thread, put yourself in Elizabeth's place, for just one day and ponder for a moment how she feels.

Heck of a job, Johnny.