DU. . .help me. I'm growing tired of a good friend of mine's blindless.

[Suji to Seoul]

So, he posts this video on myspace about Obama's "muslim ties." Like a fool, I watch about two minutes of it and gag.

I send him this.

It took me about two minutes before I fucking threw up.

You can't be serious that you support this fear-mongering racism!?!

He responds:

Somehow I knew you would react to this, so I ask you this: Where is the racism? Oh, and it doesn't put fear in me, because I know that once the truth comes out, Barack will not be elected. You can't be serious that you support this communist!?1 The only fear here is your fear that Barack will not get elected, and that's the only reason you react.

P.S. Jerome Corsi's new book is at the NY Times bestseller in the #1 spot. Tell Barack Hussein Obama I said good luck.

I reply:

The racism is in the idea that a man's name is who he is as a person. We are at "war" with terrorism, not Muslims and not Islam. Are we to condemn the all the world's muslims as unfit to be elected president?

A friend of ours has a Hebrew name. Does that mean he is a Mossad agent?

I'd rather support the "communist" than the "free market fascism" of John W. McBush.

PS: Corsi's book as a little asterisk next to it on the Times Bestseller List, meaning the book is being bulk ordered to prop up sales. So, the listing is completely fraudulent. . .like your candidate, who I know more about than you because I'm originally from Arizona.

He replies:

Barack's name is not the central point of the video. It's his association with people that say "G-d da** America" and people like Bill Ayers who like to bomb the Pentagon. A person develops most of his/her political ideas from mentors, parents, etc., and people that Obama associates with are not necessarily the people that America likes. Remember, voting is all about the voter's opinion, and if the voter is going to vote for a candidate, does he/she not have a right to know his background? And you would rather be a communist as opposed to living in a free market republic? History will tell you that communism has not worked. (Take the Soviet Union for example, which fell in 1991 at the hands of President Reagan) And Obama's vision for America is similar to that of Jimmy Carter, one of the worst presidents in the history of the United States. Like my mother always told me: "If you lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas".

P.S. The fact that the book was bulk ordered still means that people are reading it and finding out the truth. The Obama campaign is merely running damage control with that 40 page "rebuttal". Notice when you read it that they only repute the small details. If David Axelrod were truly smart, he would rebuke Barack's choice of mentors and political influences.

I come back with:

First: Reagan wasn't president in 1991. And the botched Soviet invasion of Afghanistan did more to kill the USSR than Reagan did.

Second: If we are going to bring up "assocations," how about Charles Keating and McCain being named in the Keating Five, which bilked and swindled billions from people?

Third: If we are going to talk about judgement, how about McCain dumping his wife for a younger, hotter, richer bimbo that financed his campaign?

Fourth: You do know that, on World Nut Daily, Corsi slammed McCain, linking Cindy's wealth to the mafia and saying Al-Qaeda wanted John McCain?

Fifth: Bulk book sales means the book is being bought by typical right wing sources and being given away, put on mailing lists, etc. The people who would read trash by Jerome Corsi wouldn't vote for Obama in the first place. Most would enjoy their hood and sheets during the day, since Corsi has been exposed in the past as an authentic bigot and wack-job.

Sixth: Why should Obama do a "point-by-point" rebuttal of lies that have been disproved? Corsi cites himself, right wing bloggers and other dubious sources. Jerome Corsi is a piece of trash.

Finally: This entire anti-Obama rhetoric by these right wing pundits is truly beginning to sound like "Keep the (enter bad word for black person) Out" without so much as the decency to come clean and use the "n-word."

He comes back with:

1st: I didn't say Reagan was president in 1991. George H.W. Bush was. A lot of stuff that he accomplished as president led to the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. The Soviets were already circling the drain when they invaded Afghanistan.

2nd: McCain was never convicted, and was also re-elected. The only ones that were convicted were all Democrats.

3rd: People do that everyday, it's a part of society now. And better to finance the campaign with one's own wealth, as opposed to the Clintons, who had hundreds of thousands of illegal campaign contributions.

4th: It's not smart to talk about the mafia. You could be swimming with the fishes tomorrow.

5th: Not everybody that reads the book is in the KKK. I read the book, am I in the KKK?

6th: A citation is a citation. The fact that there are so many backing up Corsi from legitimate sources is the only reason you are pissed off.

Finally: The so-called "pundits" would've been against him if he was white. I would've been against him if he was white, Native American, Oriental, etc.(Which by the way, a ("n" word for black person) can be black or white. By definition, it's an ignorant person; society just seems to think it only relates to black people, and that is racist in itself)

He's a good guy, just a Freeper (at 22 years old). No, he can't serve. . .he's physically handicapped, but I am tired of him thinking he has an argument when all he does it spout lies after right wing lie. Help! How do I respond to him that will
a) shut him up
b) prove he's wrong
c) possibly accept how racist he's being
d) end this.

I never back down from a political fight, but the bullheadedness of my buddy is just getting to me.

[ingac70]

1. Send him these Corsi penned articles from WND...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=57678

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57354

He's too stupid to shut up, but they'll make him feel foolish.

[Catch22Dem]

2. Lost cause. Why bother? Fuck him.

[EV_Ares]

23. Thats what I would say, somebody that ignorant of the truth and would

out that crap and actually believe it, I couldn't even be around anyway.

[tekisui]

3. He sounds hopeless. At least for the next several years.

Just encourage him to vote for Barr and leave it at that.

[hobbit709]

4. You can't argue with someone whose mind is not only made up

but nailed and padlocked shut.
"Trying to teach a pig to sing only wastes your time and annoys the pig" R.A.H.

[C_U_L8R]

5. Your friend is a racist and a liar

Sadly deluded by the deceptions of others.
You don't need a friend like this.
In fact, he's not your friend.. that's John McCain's and Jerome Corsi's and Karl Rove's friend.
Say goodbye.
Seriously... if you love your friend then just say goodbye.

[glowing]

6. Does he recieve socialist monies for his handicap? Does he like the

last 8yrs under Bush. Did he enjoy seeing people die in our streets after Katrina.. and exactly which disaster will leave him left behind by an inadequate government. Try to ask him what he likes about McCain.. what type of President will he be.. and how much in taxes is he willing to pay for more wars that McCain has promised us...

[ColbertWatcher]

7. Tell him all the Obama rumors started on a joke site ...

... based on a word created by Stephen Colbert.

Leave it at that to begin with.

Make him argue with your assertion that everything he believes was started by a satirical site.

Don't mention the site to begin with.

Get him to argue with you first.

Don't respond for a few days.

Let it stew for a while.

[baldguy]

8. There's a difference between blind & ignorant and mean & stupid.

A black man will be President, and there are no lies the kleptocrat corporate fascists can pay for toads like Corsi to spread that is going to change that.

[bigscott]

9. if he is handicapped

and cant serve ask him to send back his SS disability money. then tell him to fuck off and have nothing to do with him. I dont understand why people think they need to maintain friendships with close-minded, ignorant, racist assholes like this. the fact that he is 22 makes it sadder.

I have stopped associating with the few people like this who were in my life - they can continue with their ignorant little lives - as long as they leave me out of them!

peace

[DangerDave921]

10. Talk about other things

If he is a good friend, then just accept that you two see the world thru vastly different lenses. There's nothing wrong with that. People are allowed to differ in their political views just like they differ in their views on books, movies, art, philosophy, etc. How about talking about something else other than politics? There's a lot more in this world than fighting over elections, so take the guy out for a few beers, check out the girls at the bar, and have fun.

And if you do talk politics, keep a light heart about it. You know he's wrong so no need to get yourself worked up trying to change him. Just accept it, laugh about it, and move on.

[bigscott]

15. but it seems to be more than politics

dont you think? this guy is filled with lies and hatred. i would not want to talk about anything with him. He is toxic and I would want nothing to do with him

peace

[DangerDave921]

18. That's your choice of course

The OP said the guy was a good friend. So I'm taking that at face value. If he is a good friend, then there must be something to him that the OP likes/admires. If so, then pursue that. If the guy is truly turning into a racist, hate-filled jerk, then yes -- the OP has to decide if it's even worth it keeping the guy in his life.

I have friends with whom I spar over politics a lot, and it never means the end of our friendship. It becomes more of a teasing thing.

[eshfemme]

11. Wow, it looks like he's suffering from a really heavy case of RW poisoning...

It'll takes lots of time and patience-- probably more than the 2 months before the elections. So if you just want him to wake up and be a little more critical/skeptical before the elections, it'll probably be near to impossible to accomplish.

First of all, how is Obama's policy communist? Is it communist to bail out private companies that by the strict observance of the rules of capitalism deserve to be left alone to burn and collapse? Is it communist to give subsidies to companies that successfully lobby the government to reward them for their financial success? Because if so, that's the fucking US government under the purview of the Bush administration.

Also, Obama is often accused of being socialist when people don't even know what they're accusing him of. Is it socialist to call the police when you feel unsafe or see a crime? Yes, because the police is fucking funded by your fucking tax dollars. Is it socialist to send your kids to school? Yes, because all public schools and even some private schools are funded by taxes. Is it socialist to expect that utilities such as water, gas and electric run properly? Yes, because despite the privatization of utilities, they still use public infrastructure that is fucking supported by your tax dollars. Is it socialist to drive your car on highways, roads and over bridges, expecting them to be safe and in good condition? Yes, because construction and maintenance of them is funded by your tax dollars. Is it socialist to want to "support your troops"? Yes, because the troops are supported by the practical usage of tax dollars on their equipment (armored cars and body armor that had to be pushed for by legislators before the current Bush administration would pay for them), healthcare (the veterans' hospitals are still underfunded because more and more returning troops die by suicide or health complications) and education (which was a bare minimum until the new GI Bill got passed, which nearly didn't get passed because of the Republicans). So yeah, your friend is probably benefiting from so-called socialist policies that the RWers are denigrating the Democrats for.

Also, the Corsi crap-- so it's scholarly to cite your own self? Here, I'll say this to your friend: "You are a fucking idiot who deserves to be put down for the sake of humanity." I will record it and then I will also get my family and friends to echo the same thing and record that shit too. If need be, I will get them to write op-eds to local newspapers saying that your friend deserves to die and make arguments as to how humanity will benefit from such a death. I will then file a fucking legal brief citing my and my friends' and family's words as a source. Should I then expect the courts to take me seriously because I fucking cited sources as part of my insane insane legal brief? (Just for disclaimer: this is of course a rhetorical example) Also, if having a book being bought and read means that its "truth" is being discovered, does this mean that the books of Scientology are also true and being discovered? I mention this because there is a documented history of the L. Ron Hubbard books only making it to the bestseller lists through bulk sales by the church of Scientology and other fishy actions.

Oh yeah, if McCain is innocent until proven guilty (as guaranteed by the Constitution) then why is the same right not extended to the Clintons? These 2 cases are based on innuendo and/or circumstantial evidence that was never brought to trial. Why is it that your friend refuses to believe one case but is all too ready to believe in the guilt of the party involved in the other case?

And basically, your friend is just saying that the richer the better the person is to be Congressman? So he's basically saying that there needs to be an income requirement to run for public office? Is that it?

Bringing up the whole dumping your faithful undeserving of such treatment wife for a younger, MUCH richer wife and/or screwing around on your wife is probably something that's all too common. But if the Republicans claim to be such a party of family values and denigrate the Democrats whenever any Democrat of any prominence is evidenced to have done this, then how is it something to be brushed off so casually when the so-called party of family values refuses to confront their own hypocrisy?

[Liberal In Texas]

35. Good points. This meme about being communist shouldn't be allowed to

go unchallenged. Obama and Democrats are not for having the government operate factories to make shoes. The failed Raygun deregulation led to such wonderful situations like the Enron collapse, the S&L collapse, and gas prices at $4+. The deregulation laissez-faire experiment is a failure. They failed in Chile and Iraq in setting up their free market privatized Utopia. Social programs like Social Security and Universal Health Care are not communism. Monopoly corporatism aided by corporate welfare cost us more than any social program ever will.

Bulk sales of books do not mean that anybody is reading them. Mostly they are warehoused or sit in stock rooms. It's unlikely that even the ones that are given away to the faithful aren't read. It's my experience that these lemmings never read anything, even if it's been given to them.

Yeah, people all the time dump their spouses to marry billionaire heiresses and never have to have an honest job.

Oops, I started out trying to agree with your reply and ended in a short rant.

Cheers.
:toast:

[seabeyond]

12. i have found both sides of isle, you can present facts and they will ignore.

i have heard this stuff so often from so many in this area. they will even get to the point of agreeing that all you are saying is correct and still continue with the mass manipulation lies for their party

i say both sides because i watched media and repug do this to kerry and so many on du grab their lie and run with it as truth regardless of a point by point factual contradiction to what is being said. but cause they dont like kerry they ignore fact and continue to spout out bullshit to this day

[izzie]

13. Emotions get a lot of people into office. I like reason better.

If only we could all age in our emotions as we do in our own body. What is inside the mind just does not do it the same way. If you do not think I am right say so but also just look at the Clinton's and tell me that they are not like that brat of a kid you know that did not get their own way. Usually mother's have to sit the kid down and have a long talk with them but how do you do that to two people who are in adult bodies. Is your friend not the same type. Mad he is not getting his own way. Not any reason in any of it. Even McCain is doing the emotional thing. How can you not vote me into office. Look I had no kitchen table for years and of course that means he could treat his wife like shit when he came home and should be in the WH.What a great way to reason that out. I believe his wife had been hurt badly, (was it in a car?) some how and she sure did not have any money. Now back to what these men will try and do.

[BobRossi]

14. Bid them farewell.

Zombies don't make good friends.

[Papagoose]

16. This person is a friend?

You shouldn't "back down", but you need to recognize a lost cause. You could probably convert 500 fence-sitters in the time it would take to get this guy to accept one cogent argument.

[liberal N proud]

17. Nothing you can do to save morons like that

[Ganja Ninja]

19. End it.

He sounds like he's too far gone to bother with.

[LostinVA]

20. Gosh, and you just happened to post it ALL HERE for people to read?

:eyes:

[zbdent]

21. that house of cards he builds is amazing ...

I can't see how rationalizations built upon rationalizations built upon rationalizations can stand ...

[KharmaTrain]

22. The Soviets Were Circling The Drain...

According to your racist "friend" (and damn right he's a racist...and I wouldn't hesitate to call him that constantly), Raygun was responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union and says the Afghanistan invasion happened under his watch? Wrong! It happened in the Fall of '79...Carter was President thus Carter deserves the credit then. Try that and watch this racist's head explode.

A simple way of ending it...is just not reply to this claptrap. I have ZERO tolerance for racists...especially those who hide their bigotry in the words of other racists. He sounds like he would have rushed out and memorized Mein Kampf and been a perfect Hitler Youth.

The fact this racist attempts to justify his hatred shows what a scumbag he is. This person isn't worth the time or words...you can do a lot better. Let him fester with his racist buddies.

[BRLIB]

24. Certainly is mentally handicapped, and a closet racist to boot.

And how many Iraqis are maimed and still are there? He can go there and do something. Wonder whose dole he is on now?

[Subdivisions]

25. I suggest you tell him that you can no longer be friends with him. That,

if nothing else, will get him to thinking. Perhaps he'll think about what it means to have someone say they can't be his friend anymore.

[Ex Lurker]

28. but if you give an ultimatum like that

go into it expecting to lose the friendship, and being okay with it, because that's probably what's going to happen.

[Ex Lurker]

26. if you have a friend or relative with whom you have fundamental differences

on issues like politics or religion, you can agree to disagree and move on, or you can end the relationship. Trying to convert them rarely works and just frustrates both of you.

[stillcool]

27. what I would do..

talk about something other than Republican vs. Democrat, or Obama vs. McCain. Talk about your own life and how politics in this country has affected it. When people are emotionally invested in a party or a person, it's all about the 'talking points', and he obviously has invested time in getting them down pat. Veer off the path. If you still can't find common ground then what is the relationship about?

[Marrah_G]

29. You two should not discuss politics

[Billy Burnett]

30. I live in Florida. Your "friend" sounds like a typical repuke to me. eom

[ellie]

31. This is what I would tell the little shit

Tell him he is probably right, Obama will probably lose the general election because this country is ruled by fear, then tell him it doesn't matter because both the House and the Senate will be ruled by veto-proof Democratic super-majorities and if McBomb Bomb thinks he bully through crap legislation, he is wrong.

That should shut him up for a while. I have found these repuke fuckers just want their guy to win, like it is a football game. They really don't understand a thing about how government works.

Oh, and then I would tell him to fuck off and to call you when he grows up.

Problem solved.

[riverdeep]

32. If you're going to stay sane, you'll have to develop a sense of humor about it.

I knew someone like this, someone who not only believed every Rush Limbaugh talking point, but was loud and angry while believing it. Everything he claimed has since turned out be a lie, as I knew it would. You may be the only tether to reality this guy has, that's an interesting role.

Don't get mad. This does two things, it keeps you sane and it will frustrate the hell out of him. Calmly, rationally discuss the argument, laying out time and time again, with precision and mainstream sources, why the arguments are wrong. It helps to develop your debate skills.

For example: You claim the Soviets were 'already circling the drain when they invaded Afghanistan' and previously that Reagan was responsible for the Soviet downfall. The Soviets invaded in 1978, two years before Reagan was even elected. These two concepts are therefore incompatible.

And so on. This guy is very much out there, though, so this could really turn into a project. He really needs more fundamental skills in critical thinking as a base.

[IdaBriggs]

33. He's a bad person. Sell him a bridge because he's gullible and stupid --

and move on. People like him who spread lies and hatred are the reason this country is in the shape it is in. One of my best friends has a husband like that -- we all hope his chronic illnesses/allergy to work will eventually send him to an early grave which we will all metaphorically dance on. In the meantime, either talk about other things, or realize its a waste of air to talk to him.

I keep getting told by 'ignorant' people that Obama is a Muslim as if a) its a bad thing, and b) the problems he had with his CHRISTIAN MINISTER were things to be ignored. When you want to believe something, and its not true, you can always create justifications for it.

[Wednesdays]

34. Trying to deal with him would be like hitting your head against a wall

His mind has been made up. Instead, spend that energy talking to the many "fence-sitters" out there. You'd pick up far more followers and you'd feel a lot better in the process. :)

[yellowdogintexas]

36. I am bookmarking this, for the responses! Suji, you opened an opportunity for some critical

thinking on our parts.

The variety of responses to your OP has been good, and frankly I got some good talking points myself.

Now, depending on how much I value the person otherwise, I might either:

not respond to any email dealing with elections, but meticulously respond to emails on all other topics.

tell the person that I do not want to receive this type of junk because we are obviously at cross purposes and nothing but discord can come of it which puts the ball back in HIS court as to which is more important: your friendship or his opinions of Democrats in general and Barack Obama in particular

or

just put him on spam list

it just depends on your history and how much you want or need the person in your life; if you really enjoy this person otherwise and have a strong history you should declare a moratorium and stick to it. Don't bait the angry dog!

I received 2 ugly exchanges from two people I have known for a long time. One was not a surprise, it had been hinted at previously. We have known each other since we were around 12 but never got into political stuff at all; only just reacquainted ourselves in the past 3 years ...

The other felt like a trap door had been opened under me because never in my wildest dreams would I have thought she would fall for this bullshit. NEVER! We have known each other since age 6 and were very close friends all the way through college..we wept over JFK and RFK together, engaged in shouting matches over JFK in seventh grade against the anticatholic insane prejudice of our classmates, bemoaned the plight of young underprivileged children together..

SO: the first one I wrote back to her piece (and she did clearly state in header that she agreed with it so I knew where she stood) and said that I did not like this sort of thing, did not agree and did not feel like setting off an email explosion over it . She wrote back immediately, said she understood and the next day sent me some really hilarious non political jokes. Which she has continued to do, and she gets some good ones so I am glad she chose to accept my olive branch. I send her stuff I find that I know she will like, all neutral.

The second one I really had to stew over because the crap came through with no personal comments so I don't know if she believes it, thinks it is scary, or is laughing her ass off at the ridiculousness some people will go to to attempt to destroy any Dem candidate. I finally just replied and asked her bluntly why she sent it to me, reminding her that in all our many long years I never could imagine her being party to anything like the stuff she sent. I do not think she haunts her PC like I do so I do not expect to hear from her right away. We will see. Now as to the future, I will continue to forward to her things of mutual interest, humor I know she would love and news of our families etc. unless she tells me she does not want to be friends anymore. This is one where I would declare politics off limits and go forward, if possible.

So I wish you luck, and hope you find a resolution.:hi: :thumbsup:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

37. I wouldn't bother but if you really really must:

1st: What "stuff" did Reagan do that led to the fall of the Soviet Union. Give me some specifics. Jimmy "worst president ever" Carter's CIA had already predicted the fall of the Soviet Union. Reagan's crazy ass filled the CIA and the Pentagon with ideologues who falsely claimed that the Soviet Union was stronger than ever during the 80s. He actually put the whole planet in danger with his little nuclear weapons proliferation who's got a bigger dick game.

2nd: Since when does the right wing care about convictions. Neither Bill Clinton nor his dick were ever convicted. If we're going to talk about more recent corruption why is Johnnie Mac taking money from Abbramoffs cabana boy Ralph Reed?

3rd: People do what every day? Dump their loyal disfigured spouses for rich bimbos? So what? People do a lot of shitty things every day. Is this supposed to be some kind of justification? I guess that absolves Clinton of the whole blow job thing. Doesn't it? Can you cite some proof of the Clinton's illegal contributions (please try to stick to non-racist sources ie no Corsi)? You said 100s of 1000s so you must have extensive sources for this.

4th: Huh?..... OK I guess maybe you should ask Gus Boulis. Oh wait you can't Abramoff's/Reed's people had him whacked.

5th: Not every Democrat is a communist. Am I a communist? If you don't like generalizations and name calling you shouldn't start then.

6th: A "citation' is not a citation. If I write a book and say a bunch of things which get cited back to a source that has no evidence. Guess what? It's not really a citation. It's me using shady internet sources (right wing blogs) who can't even back up their own claims. If I write a book in which I call you a racist KKK member but cite it back to my own blog. Does that mean I am being truthful? Please name one "legitimate source" that backs what Corsi has written. Be specific. Now if Mr Corsi is telling the truth about Obama is he also right about the things he's said about McCain? If so then McCain's dealings with his friend Keating are nothing in comparison.

Oriental huh? You mean like a rug?
Do I really need to educate you on the history and the meaning of n**ger? How many of your Republican buddies use that word to describe white people? Seriously. Get some help.

[Catch22Dem]

47. Nice...I'd copy/paste that and make it my own if it was me

Of course, if it was me, I wouldn't be talking to that fucker.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

48. Although my patience only goes so far, sometimes it''s worth it just

to watch them twist like a pretzel.

[SoCalDem]

38. Your friend gave you a glimpse of his soul & his intellect

NOW, you need to decide whether your friendship can overlook something so fundamentally important.

Could you still be friends with a person you caught lifting a $20 from your wallet?
Could you still be friends with a person after you saw them abuse an animal?
Could you still be friends with a person who lies to you?

These all give a view into their belief system..and their political beliefs are a part of that whole system too..

He threw you the ball, now you get to decide whether to keep playing.. It's your call.. You will NOT change his beliefs

[Old Codger]

39. He's a good guy???

You are almost as blind as he is if you think "he is a good guy". He is a bigotted, racist, narrow minded idiot..... And not worth the effort you put into arguing with. Move on is the best you can do.

[TahitiNut]

40. Read my sig.

:shrug:

[ourbluenation]

41. tell him you'll be there for him when President Obama is sworn in. n/t

[GTurck]

42. You can't.....

change someone determined not to be changed but I think this guy is jerking your strings because its fun. He doesn't see himself as racist - most of us don't. We never see our prejudices as prejudices, I know that from personal experience.
I was enlightened after I made a stupid statement to my newly arrived Bosnian daughter-in-law when I noticed her legs were shaven because for over 30 years I thought most European women did not shave and she told me that only peasants and lower class women don't shave and she wasn't one of those. You might try, if your the type, the hair of the dog. Your friend is handicapped so obviously all they say about handicapped men must be true because....(feel free to fill in whatever fits). It is nasty and demeaning and will probably cost you the friendship but it might work.
Still he probably won't change and if his is jerking you around for the fun of it that won't change either.
So stop arguing only living your values has any impact, ever.

[hfojvt]

43. you kinda ask the impossible

1) most people never shut up. Newton's third law of arguments - For every argument, there is an equal (at least in the eyes of the arguer) but opposite counter-argument.
2) or admit they are wrong even when it is proven. "Given a choice between a) changing their mind and b) proving that there is no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof."
3) I really do not see the racism. He would be trashing any Democrat who was running for President. Ask him what he thinks about Joe Biden or John Kerry or Al Gore.
4) it can be ended any time. Just declare victory and go home.

There are many things to pick at. First of all, I like Ayers. He was against the Vietnam war. Second, Wright never said "God damn America". It was conditional. He was saying that God will damn America when America does what is wrong. That's pretty standard "The wages of sin is death." "I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live." Deuteronomy 30: 19

And so on.

[Growler]

44. You spend WAY more time on this than I would!!

Good for you!

OTOH, he may be a lost cause (at least politically) and it could be wise to stop talking about this with him. It will only aggravate you, and very, very likely will not change his opinion in the slightest.

I'm not saying you can't still be friends... but perhaps you two shouldn't talk politics.

Just some insight from someone who's been there.....

[dysfunctional press]

45. why bother with such a total fuckwad? "good guy" my ass...you should be shunning the moran.

let him roll around in the sewer with his own kind.

[BreweryYardRat]

46. Sounds like my mother.

Not worth the effort.

[Arugula Latte]

49. Life is too short to be "friends" with asswipes like this guy.

Drop him like a hot coal.

[KelleyKramer]

50. Soviets already circling the drain when they invaded Afghanistan. in 1979??

What a dumb ass, he said-

"The Soviets were already circling the drain when they invaded Afghanistan."

The USSR invaded Afghanistan in 1979, so if they were already crumbling... then he is saying that Jimmy Carter was really the one who brought down the Soviet empire.

He's just like most of those clowns... just giv'em enough rope and they do themselves in.

[Sparkly]

51. I got as far as "communist" and "Corsi" and couldn't read further.

Personally, I'd consider this person irrational and thus a lost cause. You can argue every point until your fingers are numb, but the person's mind is made up -- by people like Corsi.

Move on.

[jberryhill]

52. "Communist Muslim"

You know, I've seen epithets on the internet where they actually manage to use "atheist" and "Muslim" in the same sentence.

[dddem]

53. you say your friend is physically handicapped. Does he collect disability?

If so, he should thank a democrat.

[Geek_Girl]

54. You'll safe yourself allot of grief

and just reply I hope you enjoy high gas and food prices because they're going up if McCain gets elected.

These dumb ass people keep voting against their own self interest every election and get duped at every turn. It's like a paradox of retardedness. It's not "God damn America", It's "God Damn Stupid America"

[Naturyl]

55. He doesn't sound like "a good guy" to me.

Sorry, but I don't believe in the myth of independent character.

Character is determined and judged by values and actions. I don't know what his actions are like, but his values suck mule nuts. Unless his way of life is admirable enough to make up for it, he is not a good guy.

Just my 2 cents.

[mitchum]

56. Tell your goddamn friend to fuck off and die; life is too short to waste with idiots like that

[Dukkha]

57. I would instantly break ties with a "friend" like that

or a family member for that matter. Life's too short to be wasted consorting with the intellectually challenged. All they do is cause mental anguish.

[Skittles]

58. why is this person a "good friend" of yours?

he sounds like an exceedingly ugly, ignorant person