Pelosi does not know that natural gas is a Fossil Fuel, she said it 4-5 times on MTP just now

[Motown_Johnny]

http://esa21.kennesaw.edu/activities/naturalgas/naturalgas.pdf



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas

snip

"Natural gas is a gaseous fossil fuel"





and she is trying to show how much she knows about the direction our nation should take in regards to energy sources

[NYC_SKP]

1. Exactly what DID she call it? What were her words?

I don't get MTP...

[Motown_Johnny]

2. that we can use natural gas to get ourselves off fossil fuels.. natural gas is an alternative to

fossil fuels etc etc

not exact quotes but i DVR CNN while I watch MTP on the free air waves, can't rewind it right now. I DVR it at 6:00 and can give exact quotes then

[tbyg52]

8. Good grief. I wonder what she *does* think it is? nt

[NYC_SKP]

11. What she said may not have been too far off because...

Natural gas is cleaner alternative to coal, which is burned for 50% of our electricity, nationwide.

If she said "alternative to fossil fuels", she's wrong, but it's not that huge an error.

She should have said, "alternative to OTHER fossil fuels".

I'll try to catch it on the NBC site....

Thanks. :hi:

[Motown_Johnny]

17. Agreed, but she made similar statements a number of times, not just one speaking error

[NYC_SKP]

21. Fuck, in ten minutes she could have read everything she needs to know...

...about energy, and that ten minutes would make her more knowledgeable about energy than 95% of the rest of congress.

sigh

[Hubert Flottz]

3. She thinks the Bush family are stand up folks too.

I think the democratic party could and should, do better than Nancy.

[Demeter]

4. Methane Can Be Generated From Organic Wastes

It doesn't have to be billions of years old. It can be part of recycling.

[2KS2KHonda]

7. Yup...like from the south end of a northbound cow.

:-)

[Subdivisions]

34. Thanks for the laff and welcome to DU. n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

9. Yes, but she was not referring to that. the T Boone Pickens plan was part of the discussion

[2KS2KHonda]

5. Methane comes from lots of sources, some fossil some other organic.

...

[Motown_Johnny]

10. everyone knows that... I take it you did not watch MTP

[2KS2KHonda]

13. No, I didn't. I was willing to accept your description as accurate.

Was I wrong to do that?

[Motown_Johnny]

15. Perhaps my description was incomplete... part of the discussion was T Boone Pickens plan

and there was never any reference to the production of methane


it was simply words to the effect that we can use the Pickens plan and use natural gas as an alternative to fossil fuels

[2KS2KHonda]

16. I realize it's unfashionable here to not hate TBPickens but he happens to be right

in this case.

[Motown_Johnny]

22. I kinda agree.. but that was not my point.. She was making a fool out of herself by making the same

basic mistake over and over again

as to the Pickens Plan

IMO we should use more wind power.. LOTS more wind power.

I just don't see the benefit of natural gas powered cars as a staple for the American Public.


Electric cars are more efficient and IMO are inevitable. Investing in the infrastructure needed to make natural gas powered or hydrogen powered vehicles viable just to discard that infrastructure a decade later is a waste.

Skip the transitional phase and move directly to electric vehicles in 10 years.



DISCLAIMER
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/h2homesystem.pdf
If you produce the hydrogen for fuel cells by running an electric current through water (electrolysis) and that electricity was produced by solar panels then my above statement is incomplete

[2KS2KHonda]

26. No, she wasn't making a fool out of herself. Not 1 person in 1000 would agree

with that claim. And yes you can dissociate H2O with an electrolytic current - as has been known for a century, it just is not efficient on a large scale with current technology. It is much better right now to convert the chemical energy in methane directly to mechanical drive trains than to run it through the intermediate steps. There isn't that much of a transitional phase...most IC engines can run perfectly well on lng with minor modification.

[Motown_Johnny]

32. then not 1 person in 1000 knows that natural gas is a fossil fuel

My disclaimer was to cover the fact that it is possible but should not be part of the discussion because it is not a reasonable choice at this point


as far as lng as a liquid fuel for vehicles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquefied_natural_gas

snip

LNG is principally used for transporting natural gas to markets, where it is regasified and distributed as pipeline natural gas. LNG offers an energy density comparable to petrol and diesel fuels and produces less pollution, but its relatively high cost of production and the need to store it in expensive cryogenic tanks have prevented its widespread use in commercial applications.




also not a reasonable choice at this point

[wtmusic]

23. TBP never claimed NG is an alternative to fossil fuels

but if he did he would be very wrong. Just like Nancy.

[Gold Metal Flake]

6. I am beginning to suspect that the Speaker of the House is a sleeper cell.

She is doing the work of the House of Bush.

[fencesitter]

12. It's not...it's earth farts.

everybody knows that, silly.

[Motown_Johnny]

14. LOL, ok, kinda... but it is farting fossils

[Mass]

18. Between that and the fact that she invested money in the Pickens business,

I was really disgusted. And, BTW, for the speaker of the house, $50,000 is not a substantial investment.

[2KS2KHonda]

19. Correct, it is not a substantial investment. It's about the same as mine.

:-)

[dsc]

20. totally dishonest presentation of what she said

She did utter the words you said, once, in a clear mispeak. The rest of the time she called it part of a transition from fossil fuels and not the final not fossil fuel product. Shame on you.

[Motown_Johnny]

24. If I am wrong I will apologize.. but it sounded to me like she kept saying it, and never corrected

herself

if it was just one misspeak she should have corrected herself

[dsc]

25. she probably didn't realize what she said

since it was leaving out the word transition. She had it in every single subsequent time.

[Mass]

27. I heard it the same way you did. Sorry, she insisted it was a clean energy and

said it several times.

[dsc]

28. It is a clean energy

but also a fossil fuel. Natural gas does burn cleanly. You will note the OP doesn't have the word clean in it.

[Motown_Johnny]

30. It releases carbon (monoxide) so it is still contributing to climate change

and no my OP says nothing about it being clean

my point is she made a basic error over and over again

[dsc]

31. and my point is that she didn't

she did make the error once, not several times. You were flat out wrong.

[Motown_Johnny]

33. I don't think so

this topic is on several threads right now including both the GD and GD'P boards and you seem to be the only one who only heard it once.



DOH.. I was going to edit my OP but it is to late.. sorry

[dsc]

38. Here is the transcript

and it largely agrees with me.

REP. PELOSI: No, it isn't, but you could--again, you could reduce the price at the pump immediately with...(unintelligible). You can have a transition with natural gas. You can have a transition with natural gas. That, that is cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels. So, so there is a way to transition this instead of doing more of the same. The Bush administration, two oil men in the White House, they want us to believe that the status quo is what we should do and more of it--and more of it, when it will just only keep us in the same place that we are now.

snip to skip irrelevent question about Pelosi's investments

REP. PELOSI: No, no, it was between 50 and $100,000, and it's part of an, you know, entrepreneurial package. This is the package we sign up for, this is what they invest in. But that's not the point. I'm, I'm, I'm investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels.

MR. BROKAW: But you're also in a position to influence where the emphasis will be in where we're moving.

REP. PELOSI: Well, that's not--that is, that is the marketplace. The fact is, the supply of natural gas is so big, and you do need a transition if you're going to go from fossil fuels, as you say, you can't do it overnight, but you must transition. These investments in wind, in solar and biofuels and focus on natural gas, these are the real alternatives. You have to ask yourself why, why is the administration not doing this? This is the challenge of our generation. It's a national security issue. President Nixon said we must end our dependence on foreign oil. President Carter said it's a moral equivalent of war. It's a national security issue, it's an economic issue, it's an environmental health issue, and it is a moral issue to protect this environment.

end of quotes bolding is mine

edit to add link http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26377338/page/3/

[Mass]

39. In fact, the transcript agrees with the OP. she opposed natural gas to fossil fuels several times..

[dsc]

40. No she didn't

She clearly used the word transition. Natrual gas would be a transition to the non fossil fuels. We complain, rightfully so, about ignorant voters. Well it behooves us not to be ignorant ourselves.

On edit here is the quote again

REP. PELOSI: Well, that's not--that is, that is the marketplace. The fact is, the supply of natural gas is so big, and you do need a transition if you're going to go from fossil fuels, as you say, you can't do it overnight, but you must transition. These investments in wind, in solar and biofuels and focus on natural gas, these are the real alternatives. You have to ask yourself why, why is the administration not doing this? This is the challenge of our generation. It's a national security issue. President Nixon said we must end our dependence on foreign oil. President Carter said it's a moral equivalent of war. It's a national security issue, it's an economic issue, it's an environmental health issue, and it is a moral issue to protect this environment.

end of quote

If you can't understand, after reading this paragraph, that she views natural gas as a transition to move from the current fossil fuels we use to non fossil fuels then the fault is yours, not hers.

[Mass]

41. Here are the quotes.

That, that is cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels.

And

I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels.

Sorry, but she considers it as a transition from fossil oil to renewable energy, which means she thinks it is NOT fossil fuels.

[dsc]

42. of course you ignored my quote quelle suprirse?

She could have been clearer, I will admit that. But you are acting just like the right wing. You will get the government you deserve, sadly I will also get that government.

[Mass]

43. No, but your quote does not say she thinks natural gas is a fossil fuel. In fact, it implies the

opposite. If it is a transitional step between fossil fuels (Note she did not say oil) to alternative energies, you need something that is not a fossil fuel or there is NOT transition.

Now, moving on because it is a stupid dispute.

[dsc]

45. You left out a word and an important one

dirty. She was cleary contrasting NG with dirty fossil fuels.

[FarCenter]

29. Most of our leaders are lawyers; most of China's are scientists and engineers

We're doomed.

[TexasObserver]

35. Speaking of fossils who are a source of natural gas ...

... Nancy Pelosi.


Damn, she's an embarrassment and a disappointment.

[Buns_of_Fire]

44. I was thinking of John McCain, myself.

Which might explain the low turnout at his functions. A Noun, A Verb, and A Fart doesn't go very far as a campaign platform.

[TexasObserver]

46. A Noun, A Verb, and A Fart

[fascisthunter]

36. Now I See WHy Bush Went along with Her Being Picked for Leader

good god she is stupid or another hack pertending to be stupid just to fool other stupid people.

[HughLefty1]

37. Good Gawd...

She is embarrassing us.

[Disturbed]

48. I cringed when she became Speaker of the House.

I have listened to her on many occasions before she was elevated to a job that she is not
qualified to perform. She is seriously incompetent.

[arthritisR_US]

47. If you ask me, she's a DINO, a total corporate sell out. n/t