Did Cindy McCain get John to sign a pre-nuptial agreement before marrying him?

[Marr]

I've heard that a couple of times, but I'm not sure it's been confirmed.

If that's the case, I've got to say-- I think that pointing that out publicly could be a very effective line against McCain. To his base, it says a few very unflattering things:

1) His wife wears the pants in the family.
That's not acceptable to the right-wing base. It's emasculating. It's like saying he's not a "real man", and these people want-- more than anything-- a bully-in-chief.

2) His wife doesn't trust him.
It immediately brings up thoughts of McCain's adultery, *and* a picture of McCain as a money-grubbing thief who'd double-cross you and steal everything if given the chance.

[grannie4peace]

1. yup

[SharonAnn]

21. SO? My husband and I did. Former marriage, children, etc. It's appropriate.

[speedoo]

2. Of couse she did.

McSame is a kept man.

[RB TexLa]

3. That is when you sign them, they aren't valid if you don't sign before the marriage.

[barbtries]

4. i haven't seen it

but it appears to be common knowledge. another great talking point, which i read elsewhere, is that if his own wife can't trust him with her money, why should we trust him with outs?

[Athletic Grrl]

14. They file separate 1040's

so I'd say a prenup and separate bank accounts/trusts are in place.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

5. Of course she did

Her father, who seems to dominate, even now, her every move (and he's dead) would never have allowed her to marry without one. McCain has squat - every job he's held - the one civilian job, that is, that he held - was because of her father.

You think John Kerry didn't sign one when he married Teresa Heinz? I'll bet anything that he did. It's just sensible when that kind of money is involved.

But, McCain would be nothing without, first, his family connections getting him into and out of Annapolis, and then his father-in-law buying him a seat on Congress. Don't forget - McCain's not from Arizona - his wife is.

[RB TexLa]

6. I don't think this would make for a good issue, I don't know anyone who didn't sign one before

getting married, it's just the way of the world now.

[Libby2]

8. It might be the way of the world now, but that was almost 30 yrs ago.

[Marr]

9. Since when does that matter?

Going home to visit your grandmother who lives in Hawaii is hardly controversial, but if you say it's an "exotic vacation", you make the other side explain why it isn't. The impression's already been left in the audience's mind.

I think the important thing is to attack, and always make the other side defend themselves. Let them explain why this isn't proof that their candidate is an amoral, thieving adulterer.

Beyond all that, your typical pre-nup is not the same as McCain's. He was cheating on his wife when he was courting into his mistress' uber-wealth. In that context, a pre-nup seems more like a wealthy woman being practical enough to cover her ass from a man who's already proven himself an adulterer.

[RB TexLa]

12. I'm not saying not to use it, just don't think it has much effectiveness

most people will just think I have one too.

[Athletic Grrl]

15. Mr. Rachael Ray didn't sign one

...and he's an attorney. Can't wait to see the day when he robs her fat ass blind.

I can't believe people nowadays who have so much money can be so dumb.

[SoCalDem]

28. I read somewhere that they were separated//n/t

[featherman]

7. Yes... wouldn't you? Given his cheatin' history?

[Vickers]

10. Yes, and the snark I use when talking to folks about this is:

"Why should I trust him with America's economy if his wife doesn't trust him with the checkbook?"

:P

[arthritisR_US]

11. yes she did! that's why he just cheats on her but sticks around, doesn't

want to give up his allowance

[ladywnch]

13. olberman was talking last night that even when McCain was growing up

his mother actually ran things. She kept track of all the family business....that his dad didn't know what oil leases they had or where the money was. So, he has NEVER run a household, paid the bills, etc but he thinks he can run the country's business.... uh huh.

[Catshrink]

17. Good God. We've had 8 years of that

and we surely don't need another 4.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

19. My mother ran our household finances growing up. My father earned the money, Is that so bad?

I dislike my father for alot of reasons, but I respect that he earned the money, yet let my mom control all finances.

Let's not be sexist, ladywnch.

[ladywnch]

20. was not being sexist. I was simply pointing out that he has never

actually run a household or managed finances I'm sure your mother would be better at managing the country's budget than someone who has never had to do it. Your father may have earned the money, but it was you mother who made it work and got the most for it. I never said anything about his ability to earn a living. I commented on his ability to manage. That is not sexist that is reality.

try not to find sexism in everything.

[flamingdem]

16. If not, he co-owns those homes with her by law, liar as usual nt

[Baby Snooks]

18. Actually it was her father...

Those who know or at least claim to know have always said it was her father who insisted on the agreement which was more than just a pre-nuptial agreement and in fact keeps all of her income as well as her inherited and acquired assets separate. Much of it goes into a family trust set up for the children. Apparently if they were to divorce or she would drop dead, well, he would be left with whatever he has managed to sock away for himself.

I would imagine if someone looked at all the tax records, all the property is either in her name or in the name of the family trust. Most who have met her apart from the campaigning have described her as an Ice Queen and her father apparently was the Ice King. They had an almost incestous relationship. He left nothing apparently to anyone but her.

But he did just fine by her father who bankrolled the political career and made the connections in Arizona. Including Charles Keating. Without her money, I doubt John McCain would ever have to worry about a roof over his head. As it stands, obviously he doesn'thave to worry at all. She probably has made provisions for him just the same if she dies and there may be some community property despite the supposed agreement. But who knows. After all, he called her c**t publicly and god knows what he calls her privately.

He isn't the only politician who married well or who had a father-in-law bankroll a political career. John Warner married well and divorced even better. His father-in-law made sure he could devote his time to politics and Washington and I doubt his father-in-law did so out of concern for the public interest.

John Kerry of course married the best of all. I don't think they've ever discussed separate versus community property. But they apparently have a good marriage and those who know her in fact wish she had gone into politics and he had managed the family enterprises.

As for the McCains they are Ken and Barbie. Twisted Ken and Barbie.

[rainbow4321]

22. List of her's and the kids' trust funds and what Hensley Company owns

http://solari.com/blog/?p=1137


And here is info on the half siblings she doesn't acknowledge:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Hensley_McCain


Cindy Lou Hensley was born in Phoenix, Arizona, to James Hensley, who founded Hensley & Co. in 1955, and Marguerite "Smitty" Hensley (née Smith, formerly Johnson). She was raised as the only child of her parents' second marriages and grew up in affluent circumstances. Dixie L. Burd, who is the daughter of McCain's mother through a prior relationship, is her half-sister, as is Kathleen Hensely Portalski, daughter of Hensley and his first wife, Mary Jeanne Parks.McCain considers herself to be an only child and does not acknowledge that she has siblings.

[rainbow4321]

23. According to this, there is one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Hensley_McCain

Cindy Lou Hensley was born in Phoenix, Arizona, to James Hensley, who founded Hensley & Co. in 1955, and Marguerite "Smitty" Hensley (née Smith, formerly Johnson). She was raised as the only child of her parents' second marriages and grew up in affluent circumstances. Dixie L. Burd, who is the daughter of McCain's mother through a prior relationship, is her half-sister, as is Kathleen Hensely Portalski, daughter of Hensley and his first wife, Mary Jeanne Parks.McCain considers herself to be an only child and does not acknowledge that she has siblings. She was named Junior Rodeo Queen of Arizona in 1968. She went to Central High School in Phoenix, where she graduated in 1972.


Hensley met John McCain in April 1979 at a military reception in Hawaii. He was the U.S. Navy liaison officer to the United States Senate, almost eighteen years her senior. McCain and Hensley quickly began a relationship, traveling between Arizona and Washington to see each other. John McCain pushed to end his marriage of fourteen years; Carol McCain and John McCain stopped cohabiting in January 1980, and Carol accepted a divorce in February of 1980, effective in April 1980. John and Cindy were married on May 17, 1980 at the Arizona Biltmore Hotel in Phoenix. They made a prenuptial agreement that kept most of her family's assets under her name; they have since kept their finances apart and file separate income tax returns.

[RobertSeattle]

24. If Cindy doesn't trust him why should the American people?

[TexasObserver]

25. He's been found crazy by the US government and untrustworthy by his wife.

[Hangingon]

26. So did Mrs. Kerry.

It is pointless to open this can of worms.

[SoCalDem]

27. Her Daddy probably did ....

in exchange for buying a congressional district for him, and for setting them up in the lap of luxury..

Selling yourself, can be profitable..

[noamnety]

29. We don't need to appeal to misogyny and homophobia to win.

We should just play up the fact that his wife has more money than him, because it's emasculating?!!

What the hell. Why is this on this forum?

Next are we gonna play up that his kid isn't lily-white? Hell, that way we can appeal to the racists, too.

:(