Well, the fix is in

[MadHound]

With the choice of Joe "My Ass Belongs to MNBA" Biden, combined with Obama's sudden swing to the right, it seems as though Obama's message of change is starting to ring hollow. With the nomination of Biden, the financial sector in this country has now got its claws well sunk into any potential Obama administration. Hmm, this isn't change, this sounds like the Clinton administration.

So much for hope, at least mine. I was hoping that Obama would prove less susceptible to corporate politics, but with this pick he has signaled that no, he is still beholden to Corporate America.

I know, I know, I'm supposed to wax enthusiastic over Biden, but given his track record, I simply can't. This nomination, combined with Obama's move to the right has convinced me that whatever change and hope was in the Obama campaign has now been ground down, chewed up and spit out. Obama and his administration have now become part of the two party/same corporate master system of government, and once again, the interests of Corporate America will continue to be placed ahead of the interests of ordinary Americans.

I know, I know, McCain's worse, who else you going to vote for, etc. etc., I've heard all that before. However it is still disheartening that in an election cycle that was ripe for a candidate that was a true, real change, instead we're going to have to once again settle for the lesser of two evils, and meanwhile no matter who loses the election, Corporate America will win.

Depressing beyond words, and this is exactly why we need publicly funded elections.

[Eurobabe]

1. For the record, Joe's ass does not belong to MBNA

take a look at opensecrets.org and do educate yourself before you post bullshit.

And go rain on someone else's parade. :hi:

[MadHound]

5. For the record, go back and look at Biden's record

And see just exactly how often he has voted and pushed for legislation that is favorable to the financial sector in this country. The Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2005 is just the tip of the iceberg, he's also helped destroy Glas-Steagal and many other regulations that kept the unfettered greed of the financial sector at bay. With those restrictions gone, look what's happened, the financial sector has run amok and helped to really destroy our economy.

[Eurobabe]

9. Oh yeah, let's blame all that on Biden, he single

handedly fucked the economy. Right. :eyes:

[MadHound]

12. Didn't say that he did this single handed

But he certainly helped, and deserves the blame, or credit that his record deserves. Hell, I remember that he was damned to hell around here for the Bankruptcy Reform Act, an act that tens of thousands of people are now, to their horror, running up against.

What, we're supposed to forgive and forget just because now he's the VEEP nominee? Sorry, but I can't do that.

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[MadHound]

17. LOL, I've been around here longer than you,

And will be around long after you. Unlike yourself, the mods and admins are tolerant about constructive criticism.

[Matariki]

18. Delaware.

makes sense.

[ingac70]

2. New Democrat Corporate Whore aside...

I wish he had at least picked a candidate that woulda brought a new state into the blue column.

[zanne]

4. In curious...who were you hoping for?

Out of all the possible picks, barring Kucinich, they're all establishment politicians. If he had to pick one, I'm glad it was Biden. He can be a real pitbull when he has to.

[ingac70]

20. Brian Schweitzer woula been preferable...

Kaine woulda helped....Hell, at least Evan Bayh woulda got us Indiana.

[endthewar]

25. Obama has said that he isn't picking a V.P. based on bringing in a state or voting block

but instead to help him govern. I have to agree with his viewpoint. Too many problems facing the next administration to not pick the best person for the job just because they aren't from a purple state.

[coalition_unwilling]

36. First FISA and now pro-war Joe??

I will be thinking long and hard this Nov.

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[Eurobabe]

6. Since you have one post, were you done with him before you ever were for him?

C'ya troll.

[Jane Austin]

7. Bye.

So long.

[Mojorabbit]

8. I think it is the perfect pick.

He has the foreign policy chops where Obama is weak. An Irish catholic and he was my second pick in the primaries. He will be reassuring to the moderates. I would have preferred Dennis but this country is not ready yet.

[No Elephants]

32. Obama is not weak in foreign policy. Besides, Presidents have Cabinets and advisors.

[rateyes]

10. Enjoy your short stay. nt

[anniebelle]

13. Oh, pleeze, can we have the tiny violins before this troll disappears.

[endthewar]

23. Agreed.

How about a pink one with yellow polka dots? :rofl:

[thunder rising]

14. I donated $1K ... so bye now.

[Bob Dobbs]

19. PUMA for McCain

Never a Democrat.

[endthewar]

24. Can you smell what Skinner is cooking?

IBTT.

[monmouth]

11. Go back to bed....n/t

[MadHound]

16. Oh now that's a real erudite and rational response

Don't like what I said, just dismiss it.:eyes:

[endthewar]

22. Read my post below

or go back to bed. :rofl:

[endthewar]

21. Who did you want to be V.P.?

Or are you just in the business of parade-raining?

By the way, it's not a co-presidency.

Also, in case you actually believe that Obama will place "the interests of Corporate America...ahead of the interests of ordinary Americans," here's a youtube video for you to watch. It's of Obama, uncensored, talking about this very subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQVRrqyqepU

[whirlygigspin]

26. i'm so happy

:bounce:

[endthewar]

28. Stop bouncing on my lawn you littler whipper-snapper!

:rofl:

[Fumesucker]

31. Obama talks nice...

His voting however was for telco immunity.

Telcos = big corporations

Immunity = let them off for breaking the law

[endthewar]

33. I agree with his position.

I think the REAL culprit is the Bush administration and Obama has made it clear that he will have an Inspector General investigate them on this issue if he is President.

[TransitJohn]

27. You do know this is the Democratic Party, right?

What else did you expect? A Kucinich pick?

[whirlygigspin]

29. did I mention I'm so happy!

:bounce:

[cobalt1999]

30. I had low expectations too.

However, I'm slightly disappointed Obama didn't surprise me.

Biden is not a terrible pick (like Lieberman was), but it was hardly an inspiring pick. Oh well, it is what it is.

[stillcool]

34. swing to the right?

egads...I can certainly understand not liking elected members of the Democratic Party, but I so wish people would use original material. I am so sorry that you are disappointed, but if you were expecting Obama to 'change' the game before he wins, you set yourself up for it. Who were you 'hoping' for?

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[Carolina]

37. I'm depressed as well

and have a sinking feeling about Novemeber. The repukes and their loving, abiding media whores will dredge up ALL Biden's votes and gaffes and put the ticket on the defensive.

My issue is the Iraq War. I'm just sick that once again I have to vote for a sucker who gave Bush so much authority and political cover. That someone who either lacked judgment or political courage on such a big issue when it mattered is on the ticket makes me ill.

Nothing he says now, no apology... can redress what that awful, evil war has wrought: death, destruction, devastation, decimation of the military, depletion of our national treasury...

I can see it now:

Sen Obama-- you have said the war should never have been AUTHORIZED and yet you have chosen as a running mate someone WHO VOTED TO AUTHORIZE IT! You have also chosen a long term Washington insider. How does your choice of Senator Biden square with you claim about the war and your message of CHANGE?!

I'm going for a walk. All my enthusiasm just went down the drain.

[cali]

38. more whinging. toughen up.

no vp pick would have been without drawbacks. And McCain's votes and gaffes are legion and far more serious than Biden's. Keating 5 ring a bell?

Who did you support in the primary? If it wasn't Dennis or Obama, you were supporting someone who voted for the war. I could be wrong but as I recall, you supported John Edwards.

And LOL!. If you think ANYONE in the media is going to attack Obama for choosing a running mate who voted for the war, you understand little about how the MSM works.

Finally, the vp is not a co-president.

[stillcool]

42. all your enthusiasm?

who/what is it you were hoping for, that you are so depressed about Senator Biden?

[seabeyond]

39. i like biden. he is smart. i think it is a good choice. n/t

[seaglass]

40. Really? After the FISA vote you still believed in hope/change?

I'm pleased with the Biden selection but probably because I knew this election was never anything more than a choice between D and R and I'm on the D team.

[Dover]

41. Please be more specific. Examples of your points would help..n/t

[Mr_shredder]

43. Nothing says change like a lifer

Poor choice. 30 years of film oh boy......

[NYC Liberal]

44. Well I for one am PUMPED! Who exactly was your VP pick?