Joe Biden

[brettdale]

I'm guessing this wont hurt Obama's chances, but how will it help?

[sandnsea]

1. Are you not capable of analyzing

how it will help?

[Skink]

2. He just seems really cool. Even when I disagree with him he's still cool

[Eurobabe]

3. where have you BEEN? Do your own research

god some people are so lazy. :eyes:

[brettdale]

5. I live in NewZealand

I only know him by name and know that he is a moderate from what I have read.

[L. Coyote]

8. 1000+ posts? He was a candidate for President, you realize?

[Eurobabe]

9. don't they have internets in New Zealand?

Dude, that is a lame excuse. Sorry. :hi:

[brettdale]

12. yep we have the internets

And our own media, which was suggesting Hillary might get the nod.

[Eurobabe]

14. I met a German last night, a young lady

educated in the UK who was ALL about Hillary. I think there are some countries whose media is still in love with the Clinton scenario.

She said she didn't trust Obama at all, she was young. :shrug:

[L. Coyote]

4. Hello Rip van Winklenod. Have you heard of the Democrats yet?

When did you wake up? Or, were you born a few decades after Biden was first elected and fought for civil rights for you?

[Pastiche423]

7. When did he fight for civil rights?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. The blabbermouth effect?

[W_HAMILTON]

10. Don't worry with the jerks posting in this thread.

A lot of Democrats know plenty about Biden, and they are thinking the same thing.

It doesn't energize the party and it doesn't unify the party. He probably won't guarantee any of the battleground states, even though there is some talk he may help in Pennsylvania.

He's basically an experienced "attack dog" type.

To me, it's just another in an almost decade-long list of Democratic presidential nominee mistakes. As I've said before, it's like we delight in handicapping ourselves for the presidential election. He's not as big of a mistake as some of the other candidates, but he's still not the best choice for our party, considering the state it's in right now.

[krispos42]

15. Well, a lot of the other possibilities weren't that good either

Hillary would polarize, rally, and unify the Repubs under the empty and baseless Clinton-bashing. And Bill in the White House would be a problem.

Richardson (Hispanic) and Obama (half-black) would probably be too much minority for this country to handle. Sadly.

Webb didn't want it, and he has his own problems.

Clark would be better as Nat'l Security Advisor rather than a politician.

Sebilus is also a white woman and would probably draw too much attention to "why didn't he pick Hillary then?" publicity.

Bayh is DLC from a neighboring midwestern state.


And so on.

Biden will be a fighter without detracting or overshadowing Obama. That's a pretty decent thing in and of itself.

[tkmorris]

16. Well, I think you've identified the problem right there

That list of "possibles" is just bloody awful. The only name there even marginally acceptable to anyone reasonably left of center is Clark, and that's a maybe. Of course, I have not seen any real evidence that he was ever seriously considered so the reality is even worse.

There are certainly a handful of more Progressive possibilities out there than Sebelius or Bayh, and yet they were not even considered apparently. I understand the algebra being employed here, but let's face facts. We are trying to win by naming a decidedly milquetoast ticket. It's hard to get excited about that.

[krispos42]

20. Well Biden has a reputation as a "bulldog", which is a good thing

And he's Catholic and plays well with older voters, foreign-policy experience, connects fairly well with blue-coller workers... he's not a bad choice.

And he won't be a Co-President like Cheney, nor try to upstage or overshadow Obama.

I think it's a solid choice.

Hate to lose the Senate seat, though.

[tkmorris]

23. We could do worse, true

Did you notice though that all of the good things you posted about Biden are things which help win over Independents, rather than things that appeal to the Dem base? Like I said, we are trying to go centrist in order to win, instead of putting our best left wing ideals forward. It's hard for a committed Liberal to get excited about that.

What about his seat though? I don't know the details about who names his replacement or their particular mindset. Is it the DE governor? Know anything about them?

[wisteria]

11. Not much. Some older people may still like Biden.

Gee, he did so well during the primaries. People just flocked to his campaign for the presidency-not.

[ullad]

13. In every way

Biden has lots of foreign experience, a level head, quick witted and has no negatives in his background. His foreign experience will counter McCains claim that Obama does not have engough foreign experience. He is a 6 term senator who loves America. He travels by train every morning and evening from and to Delaware to Washington. I am glad that Obama choose Biden. Things are looking up.

[Hekate]

18. Biden's son is about to be deployed to Iraq in the next day or so. His nephew is in Afghanistan.

Screw John McCain's "A noun, a verb, and POW" refrain.

I agree with what you said and I'm also glad that Biden is the pick.

Hekate

[tsuki]

17. I won't help here. Too many people are hurting, and now find

themselves backed into a corner. They are looking at bankrupcy, and now finding out about the new laws.

[Oldtimeralso]

19. I see by your avatar you are a brother union supporter.

Biden is a fighter for union causes as well, unions will not be backed into a corner in an Obama-Biden Administration. Unions made the middle class and hopefully can help save it now that the GOP has almost been successful at killing them.

[tsuki]

22. I wrote you a long post to try to explain where I am. Then I lost

internet and the post.

Uncle was a teamster in the 1930s, and most of Mother's sibs were union. I support the unions.

But I live in a Republican paradise. The policies of the Republicans have worked here. On one side are the McMansions with their multimillion dollar vacation homes (I never can figure out where these people live. The have a house on The Island, in Aspen, in California and Wyoming.)

On the other side, the large group of now unemployed workers.

Middle class is almost non-existent. And plenty of them are slipping downward.

Things were boom for while. There was plenty of work. You could make good money if you worked straight time 50-60 hours a week. Wages were kept low. The big companies brought in plenty of Mexican and Guatemalan labor to make sure of that.

They are looking for a way out, and don't ever think that the RW smear machine won't use Biden's support of the credit card companies and the new bankrupcy laws to pin the blame on him. I am going to try to counter it, but people look a a simple explanation.

[Indi Guy]

21. Biden is a Bulldog...

...He doesn't mince words. As long as he focuses on McCain, let Biden be Biden.

[and-justice-for-all]

24. I completly agree...nt