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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:30 PM
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so if the united states of america was to go manno to manno against the russians
Edited on Sat Aug-16-08 04:31 PM by onethatcares
where would we get our manufacturing lines going to produce the needed tanks, jeeps, planes, and general war making material on a large scale? Would the old union workers get called back to make steel? Would the rust belt cities get a shot in the arm and a few shots in the bars? Would a draft begin immediately? Would the union guys that know how to run machinery and produce something become the heros of the reichtwing? Or would we get one shot at a nuke?

I'm just wondering here..

edit was for sloppy typing.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:33 PM
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1. Mexico would step up production
at $3.00 per hour.

And Americans could then concentrate on what they do best:

Ingesting High Fructose Corn Syrup





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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:41 PM
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2. Just mount canons on those unsellable Hummers and behemoth SUVs
and voila, you have tanks.

I don't really know about the rest...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:42 PM
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3. Russia has threatened to quickly go to tactical nukes...
...

AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about significance of this, in terms of nuclear warfare in Russia? Do we have anything to fear along those lines?

COL. SAM GARDINER: Absolutely. Let me just say that if you were to rate how serious the strategic situations have been in the past few years, this would be above Iraq, this would be above Afghanistan, and this would be above Iran.

On little notice to Americans, the Russians learned at the end of the first Gulf War that they couldn’t—they didn’t think they could deal with the United States, given the value and the quality of American precision conventional weapons. The Russians put into their doctrine a statement, and have broadcast it very loudly, that if the United States were to use precision conventional weapons against Russian troops, the Russians would be forced to respond with tactical nuclear weapons. They continue to state this. They practice this in their exercise. They’ve even had exercises that very closely paralleled what went on in Ossetia, where there was an independence movement, they intervene conventionally to put down the independence movement, the United States and NATO responds with conventional air strikes, they then respond with tactical nuclear weapons.

It appears to me as if the Russians were preparing themselves to do that in this case. First of all, I think they believe the United States was going to intervene. At a news conference on Sunday, the deputy national security adviser said we have noted that the Russians have introduced two SS-21 medium-range ballistic missile launchers into South Ossetia. Now, let me say a little footnote about those. They’re both conventional and nuclear. They have a relatively small conventional warhead, however. So, the military significance, if they were to be conventional, was almost trivial compared to what the Russians could deliver with the aircraft that they were using to strike the Georgians.

I think this was a signal. I think this was an implementation on their part of their doctrine. It clearly appears as if they expected the United States to do what they had practiced in their exercises. In fact, this morning, the Russians had an air defense exercise in the southern part of Russia that borders Georgia in which they—it was practicing shooting down incursion aircraft that were incursion into Russia. They were prepared for the United States to intervene, and I think they were prepared—or at least they were wanting to show the United States that their doctrine of the use of tactical nuclear weapons, if the US attacks, was serious, and they needed to take—the United States needs to take Russia very seriously.

...

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/11/up_to_2_000_killed_as
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 06:31 PM
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6. I think that is exactly right, the Russians can't compete
with our stealth and precision bombing technologies so I think they would have no choice but go nuclear immediately. They are not going to sit back and let us bomb the hell out of them with stealth bombers and cruise missiles.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:43 PM
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4. Nope. The M.O.A.B.s are already in the Arsenal. Everyone can take a holiday
Smart folks would travel deep into the southern hemisphere and hope the weather keeps the fallout up North.

The US IS NOT gonna get into a shooting match with the Ruskies. Even Condi knows that one would wreck the oil consumption that she's counting on for retirement.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 06:26 PM
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5. Last week the Russian steel company Severstal bought
out my employer Wheeling Pittsburgh Steel. Over the last few years Severstal has bought up several steel companies and we are now the #3 steel producer in the US. The #1 steel producer in the US is now Arcelor-Mittal an Indian company. So whatever happens we are mostly dependant on foreign owned companies for our supply of steel.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 06:31 PM
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7. The US military is a shadow of its former self
but the Russians are in even worse shape. Neither country has the ability nor the inclination to slug it with massed armor on the plains of Central Europe. Ain't gonna happen.
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