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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 10:32 AM
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Calling the Bluff on the Limits of American Power and Influence
The crisis in Georgia is forcing Americans to consider the propriety and efficacy of American power and influence abroad in a context which, for the first time in a while, involves our role in countering another nation's military aggression across sovereign borders besides Bush's own military expansionism in the Middle East. We have seen a variety of responses from the White House and the candidates who hope to assume the responsibility of the presidency.

All three parties -- Bush, Obama, and McCain -- have settled on hard-line responses directed at Russia, demanding they withdraw their invading forces immediately from Georgia's South Ossetia. But, at least initially, it was McCain's bellicose attempt to sound the toughest which made the other equally firm responses seem less demanding. They weren't. It just sounded that way.

All parties have postured as if Russia bears the most responsibility, and perhaps they do, even though the Georgian leadership certainly needs to account for their own actions which have allowed the Russians to claim they were provoked into defending the 'integrity' of their borders. It's just that there is no way that the West can or should tolerate the Russians tearing through these 'friendly' provinces with impunity.

In fact, that expectation of restraint by the Russians toward their 'independent' neighbor is what the U.S. has been counting on from the instance they decided to encourage and support the construction of the oil pipeline which runs through Georgia from Azerbaijan to Turkey. The expectation was that the West could have a potential control over the flow of oil out of the former Soviet state which supplies Russia's allies (like Bush's nemesis, China). That, undoubtedly, is what has the Bush administration so jazzed about the Russian military incursion.

There's got to be a great deal of frustration among those folks who thought controlling Russia's most profitable export outside of weapons sales was going to be as easy as propping up any compliant regime who shared our animosity toward the Russians. The regime in Georgia, though, handed the Russians a ready excuse with their military aggression in South Osssetia. Armed and equipped by the U.S., the Georgian military forces are being systematically dismantled by the invading Russian army as their irregular units ransack and loot as they advance inside of Georgia. The Russians have taken advantage of the Europeans' and the West's reluctance and foot-dragging in inviting Georgia under the NATO security umbrella.

That push by the U.S. to surround Russia with NATO cooperative states, like Poland and the Ukraine, has threatened Russia and forced them to find ways to desperately preserve whatever influence in their region that they can manage. The Bush regime sees the prospect of Russia's alliances with China and Iran as threats to the U.S. 'national security'. The administration would like nothing more than for Russia and China to be regarded as pariahs in the world community, especially now that their UN influence will likely be a determining factor in Bush's scheme to force even more action against Iran out of the U.N. Security Council. Bush and Cheney (and Rice) would be more than satisfied to isolate Russia, and China with a manufactured pall of suspicion and fear, making oil-producing nations reluctant to do business with Iran out of fear of U.S. retaliation and making existing deals with Iran appear sinister and threatening.

It suits the Bush regime's short term agenda to isolate Russia and China in hopes of forestalling the coming shift in energy resources away from the U.S. as Russia and China bargain for a bigger share of the world's oil, and have made multi-billion dollar deals with oil-rich Iran, to the consternation of the U.S. and their Saudi benefactors who are desperate to stifle the influence of the Iranian oil on the world market.

It's not been enough for the U.S. to illegally invade and occupy a sovereign nation in the face of Russian and Chinese objections, now the Bush regime is intent on pressing their aggression and military posturing against Russia and China's economic ally, Iran, to the point of destabilizing the balance of weaponry in Europe which had allowed the decades-old deescalation of tensions and relative peace to prevail. And, they want us to believe that the target of their own destabilizing aggression is the most pernicious threat.

Dick Cheney in Sydney in 2007, took it upon himself to complain about China's 'military buildup' and their shooting down of an old weather satellite. Cheney wasn't really concerned with any actual threat from China. He was just carrying water for his military industry benefactors, like Lockheed and Boeing who are shopping around Europe for governments willing to buy into their 'missile defense' protection scheme they've mapped out with the military industry executives who've infected the Bush regime even before his ascendance to office.

Cheney was well aware of efforts reported underway for years to sell missile defense systems in Central Europe which accelerated that year, including a deal with Britain's lame-duck, Blair, to take his country's defense dollars in return for the false security of hunkering his citizens underneath a U.S. missile 'umbrella', hiding from anticipated reprisals from Bush's continuing and increasing militarism.

The reasoning behind the Bush administration's planned deployment of these 'missile interceptors' to Europe has nothing at all to do with some Cold War threat from Russia or China, according to Secretary of State Condi Rice, who told reporters during a trip to Germany in February that, "There is no way that 10 interceptors in Poland and radar sites in the Czech Republic are a threat to Russia or that they are somehow going to diminish Russia's deterrent of thousands of warheads."

Even General Peter Pace, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff said at the beginning of the year in Jakarta that he wouldn't directly tie China's satellite shooting to any threat. "We should not assume anything about the Chinese anti-satellite test (last month) other than they now have the capacity to shoot down a satellite," he told reporters.

What is it then which compels the U.S. State Dept. and the Pentagon to ramp up the peddling of these missile systems to these European countries, unsettling decades of peaceful cooperation with their communist neighbors? There is a familiar theme which accompanies this latest round of fearmongering militarism by the Bush regime. Secretary Rice spelled it out after claiming Russia had nothing to fear from the new, planned expansion of U.S. military influence in their backyard.

"I think everybody understands that with a growing Iranian missile threat," Rice said in Berlin"-- which is quite pronounced -- that there needs to be ways to deal with that problem, and, that we're talking about long lead times to be able to have a defensive counter to offensive missile threats," she said.

Problem with that assessment is that Iran has no intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of striking the U.S. continent. Iran's longest range missile is the Shahab-3, which has a target radius of 620 miles. The Pentagon has been claiming for almost a decade that Iran is developing up to three new generations of the Shahab to increase its range. There is absolutely no evidence that Iran even possesses missiles threatening the U.S or has threatened the U.S. with missiles, yet, this entire escalation of concern which has supposedly prompted the Bush regime to step up the hawking of these dubious systems throughout Europe is predicated on their claims of an Iranian threat.

"There are no grounds for deploying the missile defense systems in Europe, Iran doesn't have any missiles with a range of 5,000 to 8,000 kilometers,'' Putin had said.

"One does not choose sites for missile defense out of the blue," Secretary of State Rice had said. "It's geometry and geography as to how you intercept a missile."

It's precisely that 'geometry and geography' which compelled Russia's Putin to respond that the U.S. is "filling Eastern Europe with new weapons," and to resort to tests of his country's new cruise missile and a new ballistic missile which is supposed to be capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads.

"If the U.S. nuclear potential extends across the European territory and threatens Russia, we will be obliged to take countermeasures,'' Putin told reporters in 2007. "Of course, we'll have to select new targets in Europe,'' he said.

Does this administration want a new cold war? They're angling for one. These brainless, unschooled megalomaniacs see a short term plus in their agenda to isolate Iran and those who would dare to trade with them. Putin threatened to withdraw from two arms control treaties if the U.S. went ahead with it's planned deployment of missiles to Poland and radar to the Czech Republic. The Russian military has, predictably, responded to the Bush regime's militarism by threatening to train their country's missiles on Poland. Gen Nikolai Solovtsov, commander of Russia's Strategic Missile Forces, also warned that the Russia would pull out of a Cold War treaty restricting production of intermediate range missiles.

Putin responded earlier that year to the Bush regime's militarism with a 'Strangelove' type boast that "Russia . . . has tested missile systems that no one in the world has." ITAR-Tass, Interfax and RIA Novosti news agencies quoted Putin as saying that, "These missile systems don't represent a response to a missile defense system, but they are immune to that. They are hypersonic and capable of changing their flight path."

Now it appears that Putin is intent on moving forward with his threat to escalate Russia's defenses in response to the threat he perceives from the U.S. missile defense systems that Poland agreed to receive and deploy.

"By hosting these missiles, Poland is making itself a target. This is 100 per cent certain," said Gen Anatoly Nogovitsin, deputy head of Russia's armed forces on Friday.

Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's NATO envoy amplified Nogovitsin's warning, complaining that, "Of course the missile defense system will be deployed, not against Iran but against the strategic potential of Russia."

Zealously pressing their campaign to cripple the Iranians by restricting their opportunities for trade, the Bush administration is, in effect, encouraging and initiating restrictions on the trade that Russia depends on with their Iranian partners. From Russia's intention to build two nuclear plants in Iran to the multi-billion dollar oil deals they've struck with the Iranian regime, every adverse action by the U.S. threatens to restrict Russia's ability to trade independently, outside of the control of the West. That economic control (through sanctions, embargoes, or isolation from trade groups and associations) is the only significant lever the West has in any effort to influence Russia's behavior, outside of the inconceivable prospect of confronting them militarily.

Restricted to those two options, the limits of America's ability to influence nations like Russia through coercion or force are more than evident. The Iraq invasion, overthrow, and occupation is the clearest, most visible example of those limits.

Certainly, it's well in line with the aims of most careful adversaries of Russia to aggressively yank on whatever chain they've forged in their attempts to normalize their trade relationships. Nations have correctly drawn Russia into the fold of economic cooperation, like their G8 membership, and, correctly, pulled back from those relationships when Russia acts in a way which threatens those and other interests of theirs.

But, it's worthwhile to reflect on where our relationship with Russia would be if they managed to exhaust, and we managed to sever, those economic ties which have provided us leverage. What would we be left with to influence Russia's behavior if they were able to independently manage their economic needs outside of our influence and control?

To a large extent, the Russians seem prepared to call that bluff. It's not as if they expect any sort of direct military coercion by the West to be considered or attempted to counter their opportunistic invasion. And, they're quite comfortable in their justifications for invading which mirror Bush's own excuses for invading sovereign Iraq on a trumped-up threat and occupying the country behind the false pretext of 'spreading democracy.'

Russia and Georgia signed a ceasefire agreement today, but Russia is insisting that South Ossetia needs their 'protection' and are, predictably, resisting giving back the territory they've seized. What's to stop the Russians from just sitting there? Economic sanctions? Expel them from the international arenas of cooperation which enticed and enabled Russia to emerge from their Cold War defensiveness and laid the foundation for disarmament and other security agreements?

Maybe it will come to all of that, but, consider what we're left with if we fail to forge the necessary links of diplomacy and cooperation with those in the region and without. There is no sane military option when it comes to directly influencing Russian behavior, and, if we can't contain their military aggression through diplomacy or sanction, the demands of the West will likely be as disregarded and ignored as Russia's objections to Bush's occupation of Iraq were.

The only way to achieve and maintain the necessary diplomatic relationships to successfully influence Russia's behavior is for the U.S. to return to a level of moral authority it had when we first began to draw Russia in, and that Bush has squandered with his opportunistic militarism. The only way to regain that authority is to affirm the most basic element of the democracy we pretend to support and defend abroad; the integrity of sovereign borders.

The first affirmation of that understanding of that moral authority will be the ending of the Iraq occupation. Without taking that initiative, it will be impossible for those we intend to lecture about respect for border integrity or sovereign authority to take us seriously.

Next, we will need to move to repair and rebuild those international relationships which have grown defensive and tepid in the face of Bush's unbridled aggression and ambition abroad. The world needs to be convinced that our nation does not so covet their land or their resources that we're willing to allow or support another bloody coup.

Finally, we need to re-order and prioritize our ambitions abroad to reflect our new, responsible, cooperative posture. Only then can we hope that any of our admonitions about restraint, cooperation, or peace and disarmament are heard.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 11:45 AM
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1. Thanks bigtree. That's kinda sorta what Wes Clark said except he didn't mention the U.S. attempts
to isolate the Russians and Chinese as part of the impetus for the Georgia invasion.

Unfortunately, what one doesn't say is often more important than what one does say.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 12:20 PM
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2. You're welcome. I like Wes Clark's leadership and support he's given Obama on this
I'd like to see Sen Obama demonstrate some of the diplomacy he's been promising.


U.S. has few options to deter Russia

By JONATHAN S. LANDAY
McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON | Even as it accused Russia of using “disproportionate” force in the conflict over Georgia’s South Ossetia province, the United States on Saturday found itself with few diplomatic or military options to deter Moscow’s ferocious air and ground assault.

In fact, most of the key cards, including the power to veto any U.N. action, were held by Russia, which appeared to be using the crisis to ram home to the United States and its allies that it will not accept further expansion of NATO. Both Georgia and the former Soviet republic of Ukraine are seeking to join the alliance.

The Russian invasion “sends a message to all of the countries in the former Soviet space that Russia is resurgent and is willing to flex its muscles,” said David Philips, an expert with the Atlantic Council.

“This is Russia’s assertion of power,” said Wesley Clark, a retired Army general and a former top NATO commander.


http://www.kansascity.com/news/world/story/741569.html
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:47 PM
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3. A very good book to read regarding this is "After the Empire" by
Emmanuel Todd. In it he talks about the growing union between EU, Iran and Russia revolving around oil and mutual needs for common goals. It follows along the lines of your article.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 06:09 PM
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7. thanks for the reference
The Europeans are much more pragmatic about their relationships with Iran and Russia, because of the prospect (or reality) of the trade in oil, independent from the other sources the U.S. has defensively restricted themselves to.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 07:39 PM
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10. Yeah.
Edited on Sat Aug-16-08 07:43 PM by bemildred
That book looks better as time goes on ...
I was just rooting around in it a couple days ago.

"The idea of an imperial option should not, however, lead us to imagine a circle of clairvoyant and calculating American leaders shrewdly deciding on the right moment to spring its masterplan on the world and then consistently carry it out. On the contrary, the adoption of the imperial option was characterized by a general abandonment to the flow of time and a constant preference for whatever seemed easiest. The American ruling class is even more rudderless than its European counterparts who are so often criticized for their weakness. After all, the ongoing construction of Europe requires making concerted efforts to organize and cooperate in ways that the current American leadership is incapable of.

Choosing to remain a leading nation rather than to become an empire would have been by far the better long-term strategy for the United States. Moreover, it would have been far easier to achieve in America given the continental proportions of the country and the centrality of its investment system. But it would have required a lot of organizational and regulatory hard work on the part of the administration. More important, it would have necessitated an energy policy combined with a protectionist economic policy to defend industry. At the same time, this two-pronged domestic policy would have had as a external counterpart a multilateral foreign policy to encourage other nations an regions to move towards economic autonomy beneficial to all. Reinvigorating developed countries on a regionalist basis would have permitted offering practical help to developing countries in the form of debt forgiveness in exchange for the return to protectionism. A worldwide plan of this sort would have made the United States the world's undeniable and definitive leader. But thinking it all up and putting it into action would have been so tiring.

It was much easier and more self-gratifying to await the final collapse of Russia and the emergence of the US as the unique superpower, welcome the flood of incoming capital, and float merrily along into deeper and deeper trade deficits. While justifying itself with with the liberal ideology of laissez-faire, the imperial option was most certainly, and especially psychologically, the result of a bumbling, willy-nilly attitude. This non-strategy-turned-strategy, long on ambition and short on motivation, turned on a key unknown variable -- one could not be sure in 1997 if Russia was definitively out of the picture. Any US foreign policy that took as a given something that was still so uncertain would force the country to take an enormous risk. If Russia were not to die, America would find itself in the embarrassing situation of being deeply dependent economically but without the real military superiority to make up for it. In short, it risked going from a semi-imperial power to being a pseudo-imperial power.

If it had been thought through properly and were the result of a strong will, the diplomatic and military strategy appropriate to the imperial option would at least have been applied consistently and methodically. This did not happen. To demonstrate the absence of a clear consistent effort in this regard, the easiest thing is to analyze the very blunt imperial strategy put forward by Brzezinski and ask whether the Americans were able to stick to it. An examination of recent history reveals that they were able to do all the easy parts in an off-the-cuff manner and gave up on all those areas that would have required large investments of time and energy."


"After the Empire" -- Emmanuel Todd, english translation, p. 128, 2002, translation 2003.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 05:04 PM
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4. A few points I would suggest, bigtree.
Edited on Sat Aug-16-08 05:12 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
I wouldn't agree with you about Russia's being in the wrong. Sometimes small tyrants are worse than larger ones, and I very much suspect that is the case with the Georgians and Russians. Also, many of us suspect that the siting of rockets in Poland and Czeckoslovakia is, at worst, part of a concerted policy of the West to maintain the funding of the personnel (together with their pensions) of a thriving arms industry, from the public purse; and at best, just on the part of your own m-i-c. The New Cold War Ms Rice so firmly and readily dismissed.

As regards exiting Iraq asap, obviously, it should be an over-riding priority, but I suspect it is too late for the recovery of any moral authority, on that basis, now. The damage has been done. As in Vietnam.

Western leaders may be more easily reconciled to a certain extent, but the role of the US in South America is now legend, and a very ugly legend at that. Not least among yourselves. In addition, as in the UK, the condition of the Americans at home in the US has been remorselessly degraded and debased by its already degenerate and decadent political class, so that economic misery seems to be snowballing from an already low position (with precious little by way of a welfare-state safety-net), while your penal system, the prisons and the "after-care", have actually been turned into an industry!

I doubt if even the most vicious 19th century "robber barons", who would shoot their employees on pay-day rather than pay them, would have scoured such depths of depravity as to seek to make a profit from a penal system. Not least in the light of what it has now led to. If you don't know, read some of Joe Bageant's articles and letters on joebageant.com.

It's now, indeed, a global village, and a lot of spiritual and political house-cleaning has become necessary in the US and the UK, if we are to regain a modicum of respect from other countries - indifferent though they, themselves, may have become in similar ways, in some degree - thanks to the defiling, but ubiquitous pressures of so-called "economic neo-liberalism" (although to describe such a lurch to the right other, perhaps, than with a single grunt, is beyond laughable).
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 05:58 PM
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5. KCDMIII, I couldn't agree more regarding the MIC and the negative influence we have had in Central
and South America. But, lo and behold, they are showing signs of cohesion in an effort to throw off the yoke. No one should be surprised when Venezuela becomes the next member of the Axis of Evil and the focus of our military might.

The penal industry is one of those non-issues that has been completely hidden from the view of the American public by the complicity of the media. Your assessment of the venality of it is certainly on the mark. Ominously, it goes hand-in-hand with the rise of military "contractors" like BlackWater, who in reality are nothing but mercenaries and private armies. Thanks for the website reference. I'll check it out.

It's good that DU gets some exposure to these nefarious happenings, but judging from the number of recs and comments they are low-priority issues on our agenda for enlightenment and action.






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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 06:47 PM
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9. bertman, you will find Joe Bageant's site a wonderland, a community of
people who pretty much know the score politically, because they are very grounded. Mostly, people who have come from poor backgrounds, and can see the injustice of it all, and its causes. Skinner was the first person to put many of us onto his site.

Joe receives some very interesting letters, which he regularly publishes, from a number of different countries. He's popular in Australia, and has broadcast on various TV and radio stations there, apparently.

Anyway, he writes some fascinating articles in an earthy, but he's very, very insightful and erudite, for that matter. He knew Hunter S Thompson, Ken Kesey and Timothy Leary as friends (some surprising facts about Timothy Leary, since most of us only learnt what we were fed by Big Brother and the MSM).
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 06:02 PM
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6. well, I acknowledge that Georgia has to answer questions about their conduct
But, there really isn't the same level of expectation of responsibility from Georgia because Russia is supposed to have assumed a larger role, in keeping with the obligations they agreed which enabled them to sidle up to the other countries in the economic and political arenas of cooperation. Certainly Georgia has the same standards to adhere to, but most observers would agree that they haven't been allowed much more in the way of access or cooperation than Russia, mostly because they haven't managed to get their act together. This strange incursion into South Ossetia is as good a demonstration of their unpreparedness for such alliances as anything.

I don't believe, though that you are giving the prospect of a change in administration as much credit as it deserves. If Obama manages to achieve the presidency, I believe he can completely transform those relationships Bush has squandered by practicing the same evenhanded diplomacy and governance that allowed the Clinton administration the productive international relationships they enjoyed. There is plenty the U.S. can do right, if we try.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 06:20 PM
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8. Oh, I obviously gave a false impression. Even a One-Nation Republican
Edited on Sat Aug-16-08 06:21 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
President, such as Ike, would soon garner immense respect for the US again. However, unless any new leader makes the economic and cultural strengthening of the American people and American families, a top priority again, you have no future as a country, no matter how high the esteem in which it is held broad. Just chaos and anomie, writ large. And the same applies to the UK.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:55 AM
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11. preznut mccain
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 01:07 AM by bigtree
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:30 AM
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12. mutherf**&^%g john mccain
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:09 PM
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13. Imerialistic capitalism needs to be muzzled and leashed.
When in doubt always follow the money and that trail leads to the military industrial corporations and imperialistic presidents.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:28 PM
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14. true that
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 02:31 PM by bigtree
The money flowing from arms and weapons sales is staggering, as is the practice of appropriating money for weapons systems and equipment which never gets produced or is warehoused somewhere. Then there are the thieving practices of the military industry which maintains a backlog of big ticket projects to attract investors.

The oil is their hook though. It represents, to the administration, the freedom they purport to support and defend -- only the freedom of Russia, China, Iran and others who threaten to upstage and supersede us financially is seen as a threat to Bush and Cheney's ambitions to dominate the world for their corporate and political benefactors abroad.

The most revealing argument that the Bush administration has made against Iran is their reference to Iran's oil and the influence Iran gains by trading with regional actors like Russia and Pakistan. Negroponte complained in hearing on national security that "a combination of rising demand for energy and instability in oil-producing regions is increasing the geopolitical leverage of key producing states."

"Record oil revenues and diversification of its trading partners are further strengthening the Tehran government." Negroponte warned the senate committee.

Oil was also on Negroponte's mind as he blasted Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez for his increasing relationship with Iran. Chavez "is seeking closer economic, military and diplomatic ties with Iran and North Korea," he said. Negroponte worried aloud in his statement that Chavez is looking to dump the U.S. as an oil trading partner in favor of customers like Russia and China. Although the U.S. presently gets about 60% of Venezuela's oil exports, Venezuela reportedly plans to double their exports to China.

It's still all about the oil, with this bunch, really.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:44 PM
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15. No doubt Chavez seeks partners somewhere other then the USA what with our religious nut bags...
calling for his assassination. I'd be looking to other countries as well. A certain amount of socialism is required to have a healthy society. No doubt that Chavez is the enemy of those who want to profit from war and disaster capitalism. Chavez embarrasses the USA and for good reason. God knows the USA doesn't want a leader and government who will put the will of the people above corporate capitalism including the pay or die health care system we have here.
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