There May Be Many Mushroom Clouds In Our Future By Paul Craig Roberts

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There May Be Many Mushroom Clouds In Our Future

By Paul Craig Roberts

15/08/08 "ICH" -- - The success of the Bush Regime’s propaganda, lies, and deception with gullible and inattentive Americans since 9/11 has made it difficult for intelligent, aware people to be optimistic about the future of the United States. For almost 8 years the US media has served as Ministry of Propaganda for a war criminal regime. Americans incapable of thinking for themselves, reading between the lines, or accessing foreign media on the Internet have been brainwashed.


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Unless enough Americans can overcome their brainwashed state and the rigged Diebold voting machines, turn out the imbecilic Republicans and hold the neoconservatives accountable for their crimes against humanity, a crazed neocon US government will provoke nuclear war with Russia.

The neoconservatives represent the greatest danger ever faced by the United States and the world. Humanity has no greater enemy.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20526.htm

[inanna]

1. I think everybody should read this.

Recommended.

[Beam Me Up]

2. ditto

Expose the lies and cover-up of what happened on 9/11. Embarrass the media and call it to account. Impeach Bush/Cheney and the neocon cabal. Try, convict, and send them to the Hague. It is either going to be that or a nuclear future. At this point there is no other way.

[file83]

3. This is a great quote from the article...

The many years of lies--9/11, Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda connections, yellowcake, anthrax attack, Iranian nukes, “the United States doesn’t torture,” the bombings of weddings, funerals, and children’s soccer games, Abu Ghraib, renditions, Guantanamo, various fabricated “terrorist plots,” the determined assault on civil liberties--have taken their toll on American credibility. No one outside America any longer believes the US media or the US government.

[LaloBorges]

43. This quote is wrong though

"or accessing foreign media on the Internet"

Accessing foreign media has been one of the few ways we have to read the truth on the scandals of this administration. Maybe he meant to say "accessing the national media on the Internet".

[file83]

44. Well, I can see why you think that, the sentence that is a part of is structured strangely...

I think what he meant is that only brainwashed Americans don't access the foreign media on the internet, even though they could/should.

What do you think of my interpretation (which gives him the benefit of the doubt)?

What ever it was, if I was his editor I would have made him rewrite that sentence to make it make sense.

[arundhatiroyfan]

4. kick.

[undergroundpanther]

5. The neocon monsters

And the "philosophic ideologies they believe in.

SHIT like:

"creating your own reality"&empire/divine rights of"kings".

Neocons failed to really study as they claim..forgetting believing that something is true does not cause it to be true.
("We're an empire," the aide told the reporter, "and when we act, we create our own reality.)
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0207-28.htm
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/topperycyor.htm

Torture isn't Really torture.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051226/editors

Torture doesn't do harm if it's all
"no touch" water-boards,stress and psychological mind fucking.
http://www.robertsilvey.com/notes/2004/12/bush_approves_t.html
http://blog.logtar.com/2007/08/28/mental-domination-2/

They want to convert,control and dominate the world and every being in it by any means they can.
http://www.sevenstories.com/Book/index.cfm?GCOI=58322100353810
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45289
http://faelnarr.gnn.tv/blogs/12120/Contempt_for_Humanity_The_United_States_brings_forward_plans_for_Full_Spectrum_Dominance
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/04/con05122.html

Lying to people isn't just necessary it is good.
http://hnn.us/articles/1494.html
http://osdir.com/ml/science.economics.progressive-economists/2003-05/msg00476.html

Might makes right..
http://www.fpif.org/commentary/2003/0305strauss_body.html

The neocon lifestyle is the only one allowed to exist.
http://remember.org/hist.root.what.html http://tenthousanddays.blogspot.com/2007/08/meaning-of-piles.html
Free market/trickle down bullshit.


And they are better than the rest of us.

The Neocons are part of conservatism,they believe in conservatism's basic cannons.Conservatism itself is anti democratic,and sickening as a belief system,it is poison to a community and to freedom..but the neocons take conservatism as an excuse for domination of others. It's sicker because of the type of personality they have,and the fact is conservatism like all fundamentalisms are anti-protean and hostile to equality,openness and fairness.

http://www.unknownnews.org/060502a-Panther.html

What are neocons conservatives really scared of?
http://jasonclark.ws/2007/03/28/domination-free-communities-learning-to-live-other-centred-shared-lives/

It's all because of their personalities they do these things believe in domination and oppress or ruin all the better things about humanity.They lack what makes us able to relate to others without having a person in the group be a top or others be the bottom.

[Greyhound]

37. You are absolutely right, but I have to ask, who bears the lion's share of the responsibility,

the twisted freaks that do this, or the brain-dead sheep that allow it to continue year after year after year?

[undergroundpanther]

48. The 'leaders' bear most of the responsibility

Power without conscience created this mess.

So,I cannot say it's all the people's fault because they were socially engineered.
Yes they bear some responsibility,but like dysfunctional child-adult they are kept in this juvenile state by abusers of power and the social structure they create.People don't know what freedom from power abuse is,they don't know how to live any other way other than how they've been engineered to think they wanted to live.

Also I heard a startling statistic...

The average IQ of people in this country hovers around 100. That's 30-35 points shy of being mentally retarded.

So,knowing that psychopaths live to dominate and pull the wool over people's eyes and such,and psychopaths are often more intelligent than the average 100 IQ it's set against average' people's capacity of figuring it out..and add in the fact the systemic abuse/domestication/domination of children is what most people endure as a "childhood" .Children grow up constantly geared to being a cog in the machine,get a job,please authority,sit down shut up,don't sas your mother,yadda yadda,,many kids will grow into adults that do not get it,and can't really care,because caring isn't modeled by our culture,(by design)this sad situation will not get past their own ego defenses and they are not intelligent enough to grasp complex concepts because they are not taught to think critically or creatively anymore. Our culture prizes obedience over intelligence and definitely favors obedience to symbols/roles of authority over intelligent rebellion.
Because the monsters that become leaders get elected because of a fake self they present to us,a mask. Because,who they really are would horrify most people into deeper denial or explosive panic to escape.
It's like our culture is a domestic violence/psych abuse situation, but on a huge and diffused scale,the average people in this or any other country has to realize what abuse of power IS before they can grasp what they really want, to hunker down and obey or to be free of authoritarians and until they get past the defenses put inside them from being domesticated as kids,into adulthood,they might never know how to handle freedom and the responsibility that personally goes with having real freedom,and how to have relationships without tops or bottoms and understand personally why it is vital humanity learn to hate and reject any abusive two faced bully 'leadership' structure..and tear it apart the minute it becomes corrupted..by psychopathy.
I am VERY anti-authoritarian,in fact I HATE them.

[undergroundpanther]

6. Sorry computer assholines

Didn't mean to double post

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

7. Considering he's an ex Reaganaut, Roberts connects the dots

better than just about anyone. This country is one more Repuke presidency from getting a big-time smackdown from the entire civilized world that has been a long time coming. It sucks for those of us who have voted and acted to try and prevent it, but the neocons and the sheeple dumb enough to follow and believe them, well, ya gets what ya deserves.

[Alcibiades]

25. It's actually because he's an ex-Reaganaut

That he's good on calling them out on this stuff.

The original neocons cut their teeth in the old Trotskyite movement. It was Trotsky himself who brilliantly analyzed he ways and means of the Manichean politics of Stalin-a political way of being that has ironically reached its highest form of development in neoconservatism.

[Ghost Dog]

8. That's it in a nutshell.

The brainwashing is so strong and the brainwashed, by definition, don't know it, nor do they want to know.

Obama, in the face of such false reality, has no hope.

Most of the rest of the world has already given up on the USA. There is no hope.

Nemesis is indeed on its way. Farewell, America.

[Uncle Joe]

11. I believe the American People fit in to several categories re: brain washing.

1. Those who are aware of corporate media propaganda, and the corporate media created false illusion or Matrix if you prefer and pick up on it as anyone would pick up on severe sewer stench. I believe many people on the Internet and some that aren't fall in to this category.

2. Those who get their information from their "trusted" news source usually the corporate media because it's the way they've always done it, basically out of tradition. They've been brainwashed in to believing the corporate media created Matrix was in fact truth and realty, these people sincerely want to know the truth, they just don't know how to get the truth. It could be a logistical, financial reason or their own faculties prevent them from obtaining it.

3. The people, you speak of, are brainwashed in to believing whatever the corporate media or government tells them and with them it's always America right or wrong, they simply don't want to know the truth because it conflicts with their preconceived notions about them selves as Americans and to question otherwise would threaten their self image of patriotism, which is in fact more akin to nationalism.

4. These are the users, the people pulling the strings, they know it's all a dog and pony show, but they benefit and are directly or indirectly responsible for creating the Matrix. They see the truth as threatening their own livelihoods or holds on power, these are the people most responsible for putting Bush in to power. They don't really care about the American People as a whole, the American People are nothing but chess pieces to be used or at best abstract considerations.

[Ghost Dog]

20. Good summary, I think.

Someone in group 1 is going to have to pull some kind of very media-savvy, media-irresistable stunt in order to break through barriers and wake up some people in group 2 if there is to be any chance at all of breaking the almost-total hegemony of those in group 4 who normally dominate the perceptions of those in groups 3 and 2, and even oftentimes many in group 1, is the way I see it.

It's been disheartening to observe Obama recently playing up to and apparently playing along with group 4, after making such a good group 1-style run in the primaries. I'm still not sure whether that's because he sees this strategy as the way to win or just the way to survive, for now. It must certainly be threatening some of the confidence of those who really do hope for fundamental change. Some of those oh-so-many who don't usually bother to vote because there is usually no hope.

Change that must, at the very least, remove all unregulated privileges from corporate-owned media and institute powerful public-owned and -controlled media (media controlled not just by the mostly also corporate-owned Congress and Judiciary but by genuinely-representative but well-informed and -educated representative councils - ie. something much more radical than even such as the BBC, that would include finance and showcasing of genuine, and genuinely risqué, grassroots media production).

Ok. There is room for some hope. There's a chance, but it's a slim one.

Meanwhile, most of the rest of the world, not just the old 'mutual enemies' here in Europe, have been, mostly, just trying to get along with each other with a little sense of history, a little mutual respect and without too much friction, you know? It's normally good for (small) business... as well as for your health.

:hi:

Nb. After that last post, and after finally getting around to re-donating to DU, this Vista-OS computer suffered the infamous MS "blue screen of death". It took three attempts and over two hours to recover. Just coincidence I guess.

[Uncle Joe]

22. That's the beauty and the danger of it.

I see group 1 as growing, and group 2 as shrinking primarily because of technological advances.

I also believe group 3 is shrinking because of blatant, overwhelming, corrupt incompetence in the "leadership" which is increasingly having an adverse affect on group 3's live style. They're becoming aware, the current fiction promoted by group 4 doesn't really include group 3.

Regarding the corporate media, they're literally killing their own goose that has laid the golden eggs for so long as the gulf between their version of reality, truth and priorities continues to widen with that experienced by the American People as a whole. That being the chief attributes of honesty and integrity; which are melting as the glaciers, once you loose those, they don't come back for a long time, if ever.

I'm out of here for the night, peace to you.

:hi:

[awoke_in_2003]

39. "re-donating to DU, this Vista-OS computer

suffered the infamous MS "blue screen of death"."
It is a Bill Gates/Microsoft conspiracy- buy an Apple :)

[Ghost Dog]

41. Yup. If only I could install an Apple OS on this Sony Vaio.

It's definitely time I chose a bootable Linux CD, though, at least for use in emergencies...

'Twas a 'near-death experience', last night.

:evilgrin:

[guruoo]

47. See this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSx86
http://www.osx86project.org/
http://www.google.com/ie?q=osx86+intitle%3A%22index+of%22+intext%3A%22parent+directory%22-html-htm&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&btnG=Search

[awoke_in_2003]

49. Be careful...

Linux is a gateway drug. Next you will want to use BSD. Next thing you know, you have an Apple on your desk (at least that is what happened to me. "Hello, I'm Owen, and I'm an Appleholic:))

[nikto]

42. Good job, Uncle Joe---I will remember this!

I'm copying/pasting this so someday I can read it to someone
who needs to hear it (i.e.needs de-programming).

It really covers a lot--Most folks, for sure.

Once again, for posterity's sake,


The 4 categories of Americans--RE: Brainwashing:


1. Those who are aware of corporate media propaganda, and the corporate media created false illusion or Matrix if you prefer and pick up on it as anyone would pick up on severe sewer stench. I believe many people on the Internet and some that aren't fall in to this category.

2. Those who get their information from their "trusted" news source usually the corporate media because it's the way they've always done it, basically out of tradition. They've been brainwashed in to believing the corporate media created Matrix was in fact truth and realty, these people sincerely want to know the truth, they just don't know how to get the truth. It could be a logistical, financial reason or their own faculties prevent them from obtaining it.

3. The people, you speak of, are brainwashed in to believing whatever the corporate media or government tells them and with them it's always America right or wrong, they simply don't want to know the truth because it conflicts with their preconceived notions about them selves as Americans and to question otherwise would threaten their self image of patriotism, which is in fact more akin to nationalism.

4. These are the users, the people pulling the strings, they know it's all a dog and pony show, but they benefit and are directly or indirectly responsible for creating the Matrix. They see the truth as threatening their own livelihoods or holds on power, these are the people most responsible for putting Bush in to power. They don't really care about the American People as a whole, the American People are nothing but chess pieces to be used or at best abstract considerations.

[Faygo Kid]

9. He's right about the neocons. But look out for vulnerable nukes in former Soviet satellites.

Again, thanks to neocons, whose goal is to destabilize the world.

And with that destabilization comes vulnerable nukes. Obama has correctly identified this as a major issue. Of course, the media is not in the least interested in its importance.

Paul Craig Roberts is kind of eccentric, but one of the few who is ready to call it as he sees it, with no qualifying language. He's right here, but needs to go further.

"America will never recover from the shame and dishonor heaped upon her by the neoconned Bush Regime." I fear he speaks the truth.

[trthnd4jstc]

10. Bush Wishes for Armegeddon, and Many Dems. and Repubs. have helped take us to the edge. n.t.

[Truth4Justice]

35. Bush is a coward. He no more believes in Armageddon, then I believe in the Tooth Fairy...

These people are in it for profit, loot and the "bottom-line"!

They pretend to be Christians, yes, but their actions prove they are
nothing of the kind.

[biermeister]

12. we are truly fucked

[frog92969]

15. Yup

"Humanity has no greater enemy."

And here we sit, center stage.

[biermeister]

24. and we have no one to blame except ourselves

because we allowed these criminals & traitors to run rampant.

[live love laugh]

13. So true. They don't give a fuck who dies as long as they profit. I hate them. n/t

[fascisthunter]

14. If This isn't a Good Enough Reason to Vote for Obama

I don't know what is...

Like I said before... it may take years, but the Neo-cons must be held accountable. I will keep repeating it until they are held accountable.

[bertman]

16. To me, the scariest part is how many long-time, loyal Democrats have NO FRICKIN IDEA ABOUT THIS.

They are against McAnus and they support Dems but they are so unaware of the depths of treachery and deceit to which our nation has sunk. Sometimes I think they're Democrats by virtue of habit, but I'm certainly not complaining about that.

In many instances, one must make it a one-on-one mission of enlightenment. I'm trying with several friends and am constantly saddened by their lack of interest AND their obvious feeling that I'm some kind of paranoid nut because I think this is being carried out as an international, corporate power grab that has nothing to do with America or patriotism.

[MikeNearMcChord]

17. The money quote

That such evil people have control over the United States government and media damns the American public for eternity.

[Hubert Flottz]

18. I couldn't agree more...

"WE" are up shit creek...

[L0oniX]

19. We didn't revolt and rebel against the Bush Cheney crime syndicate and the lame ass congress...

wont impeach the sons of bitches so Dr Strangelove will have his way.

[Bosso 63]

21. We need to get the neo-cons to eat mushrooms.

Before they kills us all.

[NBachers]

23. Link No Good

Every time I click the link, I get this:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /article20526.htm on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request

Looks like I'm one of the Forbidden Ones.

[chknltl]

36. Check your PMs

:pals:

[leftchick]

26. The neocons could NEVER have done it without Complicity from the Dems

nuff said

[Usrename]

27. It may already be too late.

I don't think this even begins to scratch the surface of how dangerous these monsters are.

[Angleae]

28. "The neoconservatives represent the greatest danger ever faced by the United States and the world"

Because Bush is so much worse than Hitler or Stalin.:sarcasm:

I stopped reading at this point.

[awoke_in_2003]

40. Hitler was an enemy

that the public acknowledged and confronted. Bush and his ilk are attacking us from the inside, and most don't see it. A known danger is less dangerous than an unknown one.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

29. we MUST win this election in November

and we MUST make sure that there IS an election.

[Baby Snooks]

30. But they are in both parties...

The neo-conservatives are to be found in both parties which is why this administration has remained in power. There really is just one party at this point. The party of the neo-cons. The Republicrat Party.

The few Democrats like Dennis Kucinich and the even fewer Republicans like John Warner have been silenced each time they speak. Heretics they are in their own parties. And yet they are really just heretics within the Republicrat Party.

They wanted Hillary Clinton. They may get her yet. At the convention. If she manages to get the votes of enough delegates on the floor vote, the nomination is hers. And she will accept. After all, the people will have spoken.

[Greyhound]

38. You got it. One slight revision, if I may,

"And she will accept. After all, the people (that matter) will have spoken."

[Baby Snooks]

45. Of course...

The people that matter indeed.

[Quixote1818]

31. Didn't Roberts use to be in the Reagan administration?

And didn't he use to rip Democrats apart? Glad to see he saw the light.

[vanboggie]

32. The brainwashed

I know a lot of brainwashed people I'd like to send this to, but the sad part is that they still won't believe it. It's sickening.

[DU GrovelBot]

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34. Hmmm...

[guruoo]

46. Scott Ritter: "pick your city"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQan1qo8T4