Pravda: US / Russia relations

[screembloodymurder]

So you have the colossal audacity, Mr. Bush, to “warn” Russia to pull back? As the wanton, perverse war criminal under whose watch the world saw the crime known as “shock and awe” committed, I’d say you were well out of your mind to suggest that Russia should pull back.

What’s a little shock and awe among inferior people we want to rob and destroy, eh?

What do human beings need an infrastructure for?

Why do they need clean water? Why do they need electricity?

What’s a little torture?

What’s a little regime change? Don’t recall when that was a goal of yours?

What’s a little deviant, perverted sexual experimentation and humiliation?

What’s a few secret detention camps?

What’s wrong with destroying an environment for 4 billion years and generations after generations of people? After all, they’re just rag heads, aren’t they Mr. Bush?

Perhaps when Russia even begins to match your tremendous feats of glory can you speak about pulling back you fool of the worst kind.

You can also tell your number two man to shut up. Cheney said "Russian aggression must not go unanswered, and that its continuation would have serious consequences for its relations with the United States."

So how do you plan to answer this erroneously termed “aggression”? He says this will “worsen” relations with the United States? Buddy, relations with the United States could hardly be any worse than they are now.

The United States shows no respect for Russia. The United States shows no respect for any other country weaker than itself, much less a rival as you perceive Russia to be. How about your NATO? Today the west, tomorrow the world, eh? America uber alles!

How about your missile shield breathing down the neck of the Russian nation? There to protect Europe from Iran? The most totally absurd thing that only a moron would believe.

How about your deliberate breaking of your agreements regarding Serbian Kosovo? UN Resolution 1244 which your country agreed to, is the ink dry…you deliberately went against it and recognized Kosovo in total disregard and in violation of that agreement.

And you expect your words to be heeded or even listened to? You are joking! It is said when Caligula went mad he heard laughing.

Do you hear people laughing at you Mr. Bush?

Listening to you, your Vice President, Condi Rice and US and western officials complain about "regime change," "invasion," "bloodshed" and "suffering civilians" (in the light of their crimes across the world) have become nothing but laughable at best and highly infuriating and enraging at worst.

You are an idiot!

[Jim__]

1. Pravda called bush an idiot!

I thought that was a state secret.

[YOY]

2. Don't use Pravda as a source even for the editorials

What was a national state run information source has changed hands and now a sensationalist rag along the lines of the grocery tabloids that talk about batboy. Same name different kind of shit.

Note that you don't see criticism of Russia in the editorial...you never will. Nationalistic tripe is nationalistic tripe...even if you agree with it partially or as a whole.

Want a good editorial? Try BBC or Mother Jones or some other journalistic source with a shred of integrity.

[Postman]

6. You may be correct but this editorial is merely pointing out the hypocrisy and even more dangerous,

The Precedent that Bush has set with the Iraq disaster. Now we have to rely on the honesty and integrity of Putin to do the right thing. This is the world Bush has created.

You can't argue with someone when they hold a mirror up in front of your face.

[YOY]

9. I think the underlying nationalistic rabble rousing is more of a worry to me.

The Russians are on a nationalism kick recently. Not the Zhirinovski's shit but something far more subtle and eerily similar to Fox News. I speak Russian and have lived in Russia...there is nothing in this editorial that serves us or even the best interests of the Russian people. They have their own MIC...beating the drums of war and saber rattling are gettting old and nationalistic sentiment is on the rise.

Just because they bash Shrub doesn't mean their intentions are to point out to America that he is an imbecile...moreso to strengthen their own stance.

I trust Putin about as far as I can thrown him.

Once again...Pravda is still non-trustworthy source.

[Postman]

11. So tell me....

Even if there were no provocations by the US, Putin would be deployingh the Russian army to recapture the old Soviet Empire around Eastern Europe?

[YOY]

12. It would be as inefficent as it was the last time.

Unpopular and unwanted and overall leading to an unpopular hegemony. There would be negative economic gain to it.

This is oligarchy run nationalistic Russia. Not the USSR. Think about the money. It's always about the money.

Bad idea all the way around unless Russia could make itself look like the good guy. There is still plenty of nasty sentiment in EE.

[Postman]

13. Do you believe Russia was justified in what they did in Georgia?

Was their response warranted?

[YOY]

15. Yes and no. There are a lot of shades of grey.

They did have justification, but how this was carried out was a little brutal for me. If they're were no civilian casualties my opinion would be better. There are. How they handle the situation from here on in is more of what I'm intersted in.

The rise of Russian Nationalism is nothing too nice...

[screembloodymurder]

16. I considered the source.

Truth is truth no matter who does the speaking.

[YOY]

17. Motive is.

and things left unmentioned have connotations here.

[Igel]

18. Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.

I.e., "V Pravde net pravdy" is still true.

[Romulox]

3. LOL. Shocker! Russian state organ supports Russian expansionist aggression!

[YOY]

4. Not a state organ anymore...more of a tabloid...a bad nationalistic tabloid

It changed hands a few times.

[malaise]

7. Funny that the so called private media in the US

is as bad or worse than Pravda.

And what has Pravda written that differs from our condemnation of Bushco and his war criminals.

[YOY]

10. The non-critism and pro-Putin stance for one.

n/t

[HughMoran]

5. Bush = WWIII

This is a bit more serious than some may want to acknowledge. This sort of propaganda could serve to reignite Russian nationalism even further. Once Putin feels like he has the support he needs...

[Ganja Ninja]

8. The Russians are rubbing Bush's nose in it.

OK so that makes 70% of Americans that can't stand Bush/Cheney plus the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD.

[bemildred]

14. Yipes. nt