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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 06:39 AM
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5 Billion reasons to re-open the 2002 Georgia election
Newsweek runs a provocative article this week on the fledgling effort by Georgia democrats in 2002 to curtail and regulate predatory lending practices in the state-- a move which would have spared that state the grievous losses now being experienced as a consequence of un-controlled mortgage lending. The effort was led by then democratic governor Roy Barnes, and was opposed by armies of lobbyists sent in by the usual NeoCon free-marketeers-- and by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/151722/output/print

(snip)So when Barnes was elected governor of Georgia in 1998, he decided to push through the toughest antipredatory lending law in the country. The 2002 law made everyone up the line, including investment banks on distant Wall Street and rating agencies like Standard & Poor's, legally liable if the loans they sold, securitized or rated were deemed unfair. "There has to be accountability," Barnes told NEWSWEEK. "In the end you have to be able to say, do I really want to make this loan? Because I may have to eat it." "A victory for Georgia consumers," the Atlanta Journal-Constitution called the new law, which was also hailed by AARP and the NAACP.

It was when Roy Barnes started talking about accountability that the Feds began marching into Georgia. Barnes found himself besieged by lobbyists from major banks and national regulators—as well as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage issuers whose mandate is to help people obtain affordable homes at fair prices; today, Fannie and Freddie are so financially fragile that the government has agreed to bail them out if necessary.

The major mortgage issuers hinted that they would turn Georgia into a financial pariah if the state made them liable. They let Barnes know in no uncertain terms that he was something of a "country bumpkin" when it came to banking, says his legislative aide, Chris Carpenter. As Barnes recalls, "They would say—and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were part of it—'This is a complex global market. If you start interfering with the free flow of money, then Georgia will become an island that has no credit'. I kept telling them, 'You're in for a crash here'."

Ultimately, the Georgia Legislature, under Barnes's successor, gutted his law in early 2003 after a dramatic eleventh-hour vote in which a Republican senator warned that Freddie Mac was about to cut off most of its business with the state. "It broke my heart," Barnes says. (Fannie and Freddie declined to comment specifically on any efforts against Georgia's liability law, but in general they say they have "always supported efforts to fight predatory lending," says Fannie spokesman Brian Faith.)(snip)

What they couldn't turn back at the legislature, they could-- and did-- turn back at the ballot box; and in rather dramatic fashion:

http://www.truthout.org/article/election-fraud-and-tyranny-part-1

Barnes, Cleland and Their Stunning "Losses"

Robert Kennedy Jr. tells the compelling story of the 2002 Georgia election where two popular incumbents, with solid leads four days before the election, lost in stunning reversals.

How could two popular incumbents, in the same state, with leads like these, both experience rarely seen reversals?

Under pressure due to uncounted votes in the 2000 election, the Georgia Secretary of State virtually turned over the election to the state's touch screen e-voting vendor, Diebold. Chris Hood was a Diebold technical consultant who bravely reported that he and others applied a software "patch" to Diebold voting machines just before the election.

This patch was so important that the president of Diebold, Bob Urosevich delivered it in person to Diebold technical personnel in Georgia. State law required that any changes to e-voting machines be cleared by the state. This was not done. When questions were raised after these highly improbable election results, Urosevich claimed the patch simply changed the clock on the voting machines, a claim deemed not serious by whistle blower Hood. The state failed to mount a thorough investigation and the Democrats were largely silent.(snip)

The bill to taxpayers for the bailout of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae is fast approaching $5 Billion, according to Newsweek.

Many election fraud experts insist that the Georgia 2002 election was the shake-down cruise for wide-scale election fraud using source code "patches" in high democratic districts. Computer experts throughout the country have opined with confidence that source code patches can be used for a variety purposes-- including the "flipping" of the votes being cast, in largely non-detectable ways.

Experts have long suggested that those with knowledge and access to the proprietary source codes would have the means and opportunity to steal an election.

The Newsweek analysis of Roy Barnes' Anti-Predatory Lending bill-- and its opponents' need to have it overturned at all costs-- seems to suggest a motive.

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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 06:49 AM
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1. Highly illuminating post. Thanks of writing it.
I'm reminded of the fact that during the primaries of 2004, Howard Dean was effectively ousted by the media ("The Dean Scream") no more than two weeks after he said that he would reform the media monopoly problem.

But, we are all aware of numerous other instances where those in power have manipulated politics solely for their benefit. Yet, it continues to happen.

When, if ever, are we going to learn how to select sane leaders rather than sociopaths?


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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 07:34 AM
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2. There are a couple of elections that need reopening, I'd say.
The Presidential and House/Senate elections, 2004.

The House/Senate elections, 2006.

ALL were conducted primarily on new electronic voting systems, run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, with virtually no audit/recount controls.

After Georgia '02, they did it to the whole nation--first of all, to keep the Forever War going; secondly, to keep the other Rape and Plunder going.

You want to know why we have a President and a Congress with mindboggingly low approval ratings (under 20% for Bush, and under 10% (!) for Congress)? This is why.



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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 07:49 AM
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4. Start with the Granddaddy: 2000.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 08:30 AM
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6. Well, yeah, but I think a lot of "Blue Dog" 'Democrats' didn't really get nominated,
in the primaries in 06, and virtually no one in Congress can prove that he or she was actually elected--Democrats or Republicans--in 06 or 04, given 'TRADE SECRET' code vote counting.

The things that happened in 2000 cannot be corrected--things like a bought Supreme Court--without TRANSPARENT elections. At least we know, now, that Gore won the popular vote. We could SEE the hanging chads. Now we can't SEE anything. It's all a 'TRADE SECRET'! And even where optiscan ballots have been introduced, nobody counts them. They go into a box, never to be seen again.*

02, 04 and 06 speak to the future--a FUTURE of 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting, until we throw these goddamned machines into 'Boston Harbor.'


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*(Many states count nothing--0% audit--ballot or no ballot. And even the best states count only 1%--totally inadequate in a 'TRADE SECRET' code system. Some experts say we need a 10% minimum audit to detect machine fraud. In Venezuela, they not only have an OPEN SOURCE code system--anyone may review the code by which the votes are tabulated--they also hand-count a whopping 55% of the votes, as a check on machine fraud. They are not the damn fools that we are. At this point--after four straight stolen elections--and billions of dollars in unnecessary costs--I think we need to chuck electronic voting altogether, at least for a period, and go back to hand-counted paper ballots with results posted at the precinct level, and NO electronics anywhere in the system--for several reasons: civic participation (hands-on citizenship is more fun), more people monitoring of election officials (they need to be watched), removing Diebold-corrupt election officials (cleaning house), cost (these infernal machines cost zillions, and the costs are on-going), transparency (counting votes in a way that everyone can see and understand), and re-establishing the principle of PUBLIC control over elections. Maybe then we can introduce Open Source.)
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 07:36 AM
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3. 5th rec
i was living in Georgia back in '98 and voted for Barnes
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 07:58 AM
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5. when the repiggies are having to steal GEORGIA, you know there are systematic problems
When you thinkn "red", Georgia has to be pretty high on the list. So when we hear that they are stealing Georgia, I cant help but think that they are stealing DOZENS more
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 08:34 AM
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7. But Georgia was still Dixiecratic, in a way, at the time
There was still a tense coalition of old-time Dixiecrats (Zell) and moderate-progressives (Barnes). I was there in 2002, and while the race had tightened, nobody was calling it for Perdue. Nobody.

It always smelled like shit, and I've never fully bought the notion that the election was remotely clean. Glad to see someone's still angry about it,
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:27 AM
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17. I totally disagree. I live here too. I knew that they were going
to throw 95% of the dems out - that flag thing hurt Barnes a lot worse than people thought but it was no surprise to me.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:26 AM
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8. Obama doesn't believe in the problems w/ the voting machines.
It's in his book, Audacity, and he has commented about it before publicly. Someone needs to send him these articles...or at least get them to people close to his campaign.

This is HUGELY important to the upcoming election.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 08:36 AM
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11. this has always puzzled me
high profile Democrats who let the repukes steal it over and over and over again. John Kerry and his "Raw Deal" come to mind.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 11:30 PM
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9. I firmly believe that the 2002 Georgia elections were stolen.
Georgia was merely a test run for the theft of 2004.

Of course, I am not alone in this opinion.

-Laelth
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 11:41 PM
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10. Unless Cathy Cox was bribed or tricked, I still don't quite buy it
While I don't doubt that you can easily steal an election with electronic voting machines I have a hard time believing that they come pre-programmed to steal votes for Republicans. Somebody has to go tamper with them and since the Secretary of State's office controls them, it's hard for me to see how the Republicans got their hands on them. Maybe Cox was bribed or maybe there was a mole in the Secretary of State's office but otherwise I don't see why she would rig the election for Sonny Perdue.

Polls are usually right but statistical anomalies do happen.

BTW Andrew Cuomo is doing basically the same thing that Barnes tried to do and I don't think he has to worry about his re-election.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 10:08 AM
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12. What do you believe the "patch" did, and why do you think it was applied in only some places? n/t
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 05:01 PM
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13. Well if it did what is implied here then Cox was duped
And frankly she was an idiot for letting it happen. It's one thing when the Republicans have these machines under their watch. It's another when Democrats have them and still let Republicans tamper with them.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:34 AM
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14. There is good reason to be suspicious of a "patch"...
...that doesn't do what it's supposed to do, isn't certified, and is installed only is heavily Democratic counties during a special last-minute trip by the CEO.

I think this is exactly what conspiracy looks like, when you're allowed a glimpse.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:56 AM
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15. Thank you for posting this. n/t
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:25 AM
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16. I live in Georgia. Stealing wasn't necessary. This state was
rabid rightie in 02, they were pissed at Barnes because of the flag issue and determined to throw every dem out, and they did. It was horrible.
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