Consider this question from a freephead...

[ourbluenation]

Democrats - are you up for the challenge...

This year pay twice as much as what you normally would pay the IRS. Next year pay three times as much.Will you still vote for a Democrat in 2008? I am so tired of hearing the Dems tell us the buisness owners do not pay enough in taxes and that their workers do not make enough. Shouldn't someones education determine what their salary should be? Why should I subsidize a high school drop out? So Dems, you cough up more, because I can't afford to. I went to college for a masters degree and that was quite expensive. My son is in college now, and it is even more expensive. I live in Ca. and gas is crazy. YOU ALL WANT TO BUY YOUR GOODS AND SERVICES FOR AS CHEAP AS YOU CAN, SO DON'T YOU GET IT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? A buisness owner to make your materialistic thing cheaper for YOU, has to pay their workers accordingly.

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Where to even begin.

:banghead:

http://o.forums.go.com/abc/latenight/jimmykimmellive/thread?threadID=1495971&forumStart=0

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. I, for one, don't buy goods and services "as cheap as you can"

because I know that quality is more important than price in a lot of situations.

[havocmom]

2. And we both know we have to make purchases with moral integrity too

Which MOST around here take into consideration before opening our wallets in the marketplace.

[BOSSHOG]

3. Why is your son in college and not in Iraq?

Is he working on his advanced abramoff business degree with a minor in Delay Corruption tactics? Ya know, "conservative" business practices and ethics and stuff.

Okay I'll partially accept the patriots argument. Since the minimum wage hasn't been raised in ten years (and still hasn't been raised) then small business' will not get tax breaks for ten years, since tax breaks for small business' are a requirement for a raise in the minimum wage per brilliant conservative economic minds. Ergo small business's don't need tax breaks. Yeah, I agree.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. And to think...

this moran probably makes more than minimum wage.

Oh, what a world...

[Lerkfish]

5. the first wrong assumption is that republicans have no tax footprint

republicans are more expensive, tax-wise, because they shift the tax burden and hide it in places that can least afford it, strangling local govt.s and bankrupting metropolitan areas that have to take up the slack.
Meanwhile, they rape and pillage what remains into their own pet projects or to their friends in no-bid contracts.

in the long run, republicans in charge is like people running up huge bills on their credit cards, and refusing to pay them.

Democrats try to pay as they go, in a responsible, adult manner.

[NMDemDist2]

6. as always, make him prove it. he's full of chit

every single state who raised minimum wage got a stronger economy and less unemployment. every single one!

as for A buisness owner to make your materialistic thing cheaper for YOU, has to pay their workers accordingly.(sic) that is the poster child of off shored jobs. If we in America still had a freaking manufacturing base for durable goods (which we all but don't) there would be plenty of good paying Union jobs and the minimum wage wouldn't be such an issue.

As a small business owner, I never paid minimum wage. I always paid my people a living wage so they would come to work, not steal and give a shit about making my company a success.

make him prove my taxes will triple in three years, that's just bullshit

[pacalo]

7. Oh, materialistic one, I'll bet you have a Mercedes & an SUV loaded to the hilt

parked in your garage. In keeping with your ostentatiousness, you probably live in a large estate with all the showy trimmings. You may belong to the most exclusive country club in the area & your children attended the best private schools. I'll bet you're hard to buy for at Christmas & on birthdays, because you probably have everything & more.

The love of money is truly the root of all evil. If you lived your life with a greater purpose, perhaps you'd understand that other people are not your slaves through which you gain the golden calf.

[krispos42]

8. You first, moran

YOUR party doubled the national debt in five years.

That means that YOUR party decided that America needed to spend all this money without paying for it. YOUR party wanted the financial benefits of big government spending with the benefits of low taxes, with a side dish of the fact that the top 1% income earners get 53% of the interest on the national debt.

That means the top 1% gets over $65,000 a year in interest per family member, and that income is only taxed at 15%.

YOUR party is one that is such against taxes that they consider it much more moral to have a federal budget $500 billion in the red than $1 billion in the black, never mind that the %500 billion will wind up costing taxpayers almost a trillion by the time it is actually paid off.

So suck it up, Freeper. You're the one supporting a party that wants to shift the tax burden from (subsidize, if you will) the rich to the middle and poor classes, from the corporations to the individuals, and from those currently alive to those that are not yet born. And you're the one that wants to reward corporations for setting up overseas tax shelters and moving factories to China.

[FredScuttle]

9. I'd like an example of a Democrat saying "not enough taxes on business owners"

n/t

[Lex]

10. No kidding. WTF?

I'm tired of corporate welfare--where corporations have their taxes waived or they get special treatment (no bid contracts) even though they are making windfall profits. The oil companies, for example. Halliburton, etc.

[Richard Steele]

11. You really have to wonder where the guy got his "Masters Degree".

I'm guessing his field of study wasn't "Economics" or "English"...

[yellowcanine]

32. It was in baiting. He is a master baiter.

Someone had to say it.

[jedicord]

12. So his point is that everything is now more expensive?

DURING a Repub-controlled US government in all branches?

BEFORE a raise in minimum wage, because it was so powerful it was able to turn back the hands of time.

Pure unadulterated crap.

[FredScuttle]

13. Don't forget...this idiot lives in California....with a GOP governor

n/t

[Rosemary2205]

14. Small business versus corporate America.

Small business do tend to get slapped with a lot of taxes until they get to the point where they make enough money to afford to become LLCs. But proprietorships get crapped on just like the middle class.

Someone needs to really sit down with this guy and explain how big corporate America is working these days. How the tax laws are written so that they pay little or no taxes. They choose not to give their employees raises or benefits and instead pay out disgustingly large salaries to the top level in the company. Even at the cheapo prices we pay, the profits are going to benefit only the already rich, rather than being spread amongst all the consumers who actually buy the products.

The college for his kid is so expensive because our government has cut it's percentage of subsidies to colleges and spent the money on earmarks and corporate welfare instead.

The democrats want to change this inequity. If big corporate America and it's highest paid employees are forced to shoulder their fair share of the costs of our society then small businesses, like this man, will not have to pay as much.

[gratuitous]

15. Wait, I thought business didn't pay taxes?

One day the Freeperati say that businesses don't really pay taxes, because they pass that cost in full to their customers and clients. And now they say that increasing business taxes will raise prices (dollar for dollar presumably) and drive folks out of business (non sequitur).

I wonder, then, why businesses qualify for tax refunds if they reap their taxes back from the sale of their goods or services? Why are they getting a refund of my money?

[Wizard777]

26. This is true and then you have halliburtons that don't pay taxes because of off shore HQ. n/t

[Booster]

16. Refer them to this website and watch them shut the f__k up.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

[LSK]

17. how does he like his Hummer?

:shrug:

[northzax]

18. Masters Degree in what?

bad grammar?

[Wizard777]

19. Would he like to subsidize them in a social program or a dark alley? That a 100%+ tax.

Our turn! If raising minimum wage 2.00 per hour will cause everyone else in the company to demand a 2.00 per hour raise also. Then how can they give a CEO a 400 Million Dollar Bonus without everyone else also demanding a 400 Million Dollar Bonus?

[LSK]

20. remember the great depression of 1997?? neither do I

Thats when minimum wage increased last.

[TZ]

21. Hey idiot...

The CONSERVATIVE republican governor of MD doubled the car registration fee amoung others, and he also allowed the price of college in this state to skyrocket...so don't whine to me about taxes and fees!!!:grr: :grr:

[Left Is Write]

22. I do not have a Master's degree, but I can put together a coherent sentence.

I can also spell business and make correct use of punctuation.

As for the meat of the post, it obviously speaks for itself in mispercetions and distortions of reality.

[galloglas]

23. This guy is a business owner??

Or an executive in some damned corpoartion or another??

Tell him how fond you are of Socialism and how Marx was so correct saying, "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

If he doesn't understand (probably won't), just explain "It's a small world. We all gotta live here. So we need your money to take care of all of those folks who have been plundered by unrestrained Capitalism. So cough it up, or you will be nationalized".

Watch him turn purple.

[GOTV]

24. Challenge? What challenge? Do you really think your nonsense rant is a challenge?

> This year pay twice as much as what you normally would pay the IRS.

No thank you.

> Next year pay three times as much.

No, I won't do that either.

> Will you still vote for a Democrat in 2008?

If I like the Democrat. I certainly won't vote for you financially irresponsible Republicans.

> I am so tired of hearing the Dems tell us the buisness
> owners do not pay enough in taxes and that their workers
> do not make enough.

Who cares what you're tired of.

> Shouldn't someones education determine
> what their salary should be?

No. Their value to society should be the primary factor.

> Why should I subsidize a high school drop out?

I don't know. I don't know which drop out you're referring to.

> So Dems, you cough up more, because I can't afford to.

We'll all have to since you forced us all into that vanity war in Iraq. If you couldn't afford it maybe you should have kept you war-on in your pants.

> YOU ALL WANT TO BUY YOUR GOODS AND SERVICES
> FOR AS CHEAP AS YOU CAN,

No, I don't. I'm not stupid.

> A buisness owner to make your materialistic thing
> cheaper for YOU, has to pay their workers accordingly.

If you can't pay a living wage, maybe you shouldn't be in business. Close up shop and free up resources for some progressive run business that can produce.

[rpgamerd00d]

25. Reply: "First, we'd have to cut our taxes by 66% to start."

"Then double it, and triple it, so we're back to where we should be."

Then say: "I have no problem with that."

:rofl:

[ourbluenation]

27. Did you all read the whole thread...the misconceptions abound "out there". n/t

[DaveJ]

28. There are a lot of other morans on that thread...

Here's one guy's doomsday scenerio for what would happen if we raised taxes on this rich.

I can tell you what would happen to the economy.

Those people who are forced to hand over more of their incomes would buy less - retailers would suffer, the suppliers to those retailers would suffer, and the consumer would pay more.

They would invest less - stocks would dive, causing a nasty trickle down effect.

They wouldn't have the money to buy the large houses. Those houses wouldn't get built. Lots of people would be out of work.

They wouldn't have money to spend on vacations. The resorts would suffer. Lots of people would be out of work.

They would cut back on philanthropic donations. Charities would suffer.

I could go on, but you get the point. People seem to think that the wealthy keep their money in a shoe box under their mattresses and don't spend it. That frosts me.

This guy really thinks the world would come to an end.
:eyes:

[TZ]

31. geez sounds like it was written by Paris Hilton

she of "Whats wal-mart..do they like, sell walls and stuff". Earth to idiot..:crazy:

[DaveJ]

33. Yeah, I wonder if the guy is aware that taxes have been imposed on the rich before

I wonder if the guy thinks the 1950s were a disaster since that's when the very rich paid well upward of 80% in taxes.

[Swamp Rat]

29. Why isn't your son fighting in Iraq?

So, you think you are better than regular, hard working Americans?

[sinkingfeeling]

30. OK, when you warmongering Repubs decide to cough up the dough to pay for

'George and Dick's Great Iraq Adventure', I'll subsidize you 'poor business owners'. Let's see ..about 59 million voted for the morons in 2004... divided into $1 trillion. I'd guess you all ought to start throwing in about $20K a piece per year.

[karlrschneider]

34. I think we may safely assume his "masters degree" isn't in "buisness"

:eyes: