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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:40 PM
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I was just thinking about how things were in WWII in Los Angeles.
I was just a toddler then so my memories are scattered, but this is how we lived back then. Few people had telephones and those people shared their lines with several neighbors, known as a party line, who could listen in on your conversations if they wanted to. Mostly, if you needed to get a hold of anyone you had to show up at their doorstep. This had the effect of people keeping their houses clean, well at least the part you would show company to and keeping themselves dressed and groomed. If you went out you wore a hat, gloves and an overcoat.

Because of the war effort, stores didn't carry a variety of goods like they do today because most of the factories had turned the majority of their production lines to producing goods for the war. There weren't many toys. My uncle made me a pair of homemade roller skates in his machine shop. He also found a bike in a junk yard that he rebuilt for me. Manufacturers just weren't making them in those days because of the need to use all metals in the war effort. My grandmother, mother and aunt made little stuffed toys for me from used clothing scraps.

Although my family had a car most families didn't because Detroit stopped making cars and were making tanks instead. However, we had a good public transportation system then that people could use. We often used it because gas was rationed and we had to use it sparingly.

There was all kinds of rationing. My grandmother kept chickens in her back yard that kept the neighborhood supplied with eggs. Although it was illegal to keep farm animals within the city limits, my cousin was married to a policeman and I think this was the reason authorities didn't arrive to make her get rid of the chickens, or maybe the neighbors didn't complain because it would cut their egg supply. I don't remember too many victory gardens in our neighborhood but maybe that was because most of California then was pretty rural then.

Everyone had good jobs but there was a lack of goods to buy with the money people were making. Every house on the block had family men who were fighting in the war. Some came back and some were gone forever. The military then were proud to wear their uniforms and of course it got them favorable treatment by businesses back then. When my cousins came back from their tours, they brought souveniers with them, not only grass skirts and other items from the Pacific, but swastika banners, iron crosses, fire arms and other things they looted from the Germans and Japanese.

Every transaction was written with pen and paper or typed up on a manual typewriter with carbon copies. Copy machines were almost unheard of and only lawyers and courts had anything like them that photographed documents. However we had mail delivery twice a day and once on Sunday.

Of course nobody had television. All we had was radio and it was one of the most important item in anyone's house to keep up to date with what was going on in the world. More importantly we had real news people like Edward R. Murrow and William Manchester who reported real news. This I believe was the most important thing that kept us sane back in those days and willing to sacrifice for our country. I don't ever remember the adults around me feeling lied to and betrayed like they did in the wars that followed, like Korea, Vietnam and now what we are going through today.

I don't know how we are going to get the leadership that we had back then, not only in the White House and Congress but the military. I know that we are pinning so many hopes on Obama, but this is going to be a great burden for him to bear if other leaders don't step up to help him save our nation instead of looting it.
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:45 PM
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1. I would rather not sacrifice for the war machine, if people want to go without so the Pentagon can
have more that is their choice but it's not the choice I am going to make nor be forced into.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:48 PM
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2. Not the wars that we've been
forced into by our corporate masters recently, I agree.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:49 PM
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3. Those days are gone, Cleita.
Edited on Sun Aug-10-08 04:50 PM by TomInTib
Gone.

Everyone is bought and paid for, now.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 04:50 PM
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4. As Bill Maher said - we could have asked America ANYTHING after 9/11
We could have eliminated our dependence on foreign oil

We could have eliminated OIL

But we didn't

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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 05:53 PM
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5. Thank you, I was living in rural Iowa at the time. It isn't the idea of a
war machine but an emergency that you are talking about. People worked together with their government to reach their goals. If we had that kind of attitude today we would all have some hope. This is what Obama has to reignite.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 05:55 PM
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6. I've heard that Americans of Japanese descent had a wonderful time then/there.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 05:58 PM
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7. I actually became friends in my adult life with Japanese Americans that had
Edited on Sun Aug-10-08 05:59 PM by Cleita
been incarcerated. Yes, America was very wrong in what they did, but it seems to me that we are doing the same thing to Mexicans that are crossing our border illegally. We haven't changed the fact that we fear those who are different from us.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 06:04 PM
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8. Ah. I must have missed the news story about 12 million illegal immigrants being carted off...
to concentration camps.

I really need to keep up on the news better.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 06:08 PM
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9. They are being carted off to detention centers.
Edited on Sun Aug-10-08 06:16 PM by Cleita
Los Angeles has buildings that they have fenced off like prisons that the immigration put entire families into until they can load them up into buses to take them back across the border. Often they keep them there for months. It's not anything you will find in the news that you read, but if you watch the Spanish language stations and read the Spanish language news papers, there is plenty of information on this.

Here's a link in English.http://www.immigrantsolidarity.org/Documents/R-D-1-DetentionFINAL.pdf
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 06:09 PM
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10. Cleita, how did normal people feel about the camps?
It's very easy to look back in hindsight and say things like that were wrong, but I'm curious to know what the feelings were then (I realize you may have been a tyke, so if you don't have any memories of that I understand :hi:)

BTW, thanks for your recollections. I've been listening to old Jack Benny and Fred Allen shows from the War years and just after. What a different country we had!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 06:21 PM
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11. To tell the truth Japanese hatred by the people on my block was
Edited on Sun Aug-10-08 06:23 PM by Cleita
really unvarnished and out there. However the hatred of the Gerrys was just as visceral. Remember we were at war with them and we regarded them as the enemy. I'm of mixed parentage, South American and European American so I spoke Spanish a lot. My family tells me that the kids called me a dirty Jap when I spoke Spanish, so I refused to speak Spanish after that. Even my poor mother who was just learning English couldn't communicate with me in Spanish. That's how stubborn I was about it. I never spoke Spanish until after the war and we returned to South America.

I don't think any one really knew about the concentration camps for the Japanese Americans though until they returned after the war was over. Then the stories came out.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 06:34 PM
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12. No, the American people knew about the internment of
the Japanese Americans. I remember seeing re-runs of the old news reels shown in movie houses at the time. Plenty of footage of Japanese Americans being relocated to Wyoming, Utah etc. I do not for one second condone or defend FDRs decision to authorize the relocation of Japanes Americans but, in one way, it may have saved many of their lives. The hatred of anything Japanese was intense and bitter. Americans have a long history of wrecking violence on those that they hate. Had the Japanese Americans not been interned when they were, I could easily see a my countrymen lynching and burning those people. Sorry to say. JMO.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 06:38 PM
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13. Maybe so. I'm not disputing this.
All I'm saying is that as a small child I don't remember any conversation from the adults around me about this and I don't remember hearing about it on the news on radio. However, it doesn't mean they didn't say it. We had no Asians living in our neighborhood so I don't think any one was tuned into neighbors going missing or anything like that. I may just not have understood what they were talking about. I do remember the hatred of Japs being very vocal and open but it also applied to the Germans or Gerrys as they were called.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:16 AM
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16. As far as Germans were concerned
I do not think that we developed the level of hatred toward them as we did the Japanese. There were a couple of thousand German Americans interned during the war, along with a several hundred Italians. These folks were very active in the nazi/facist movements in the country before the war. Also,
most Americans knew a Schutz or Schmidt family somewhere in the neighborhood. the U.S. Govt had absolutly not problems drafting Schultz or Schmidt by the thousands. I knew quite a number of men that fought the Germans during the war. The did not seem to feel any great antipathy towards the German soldiers (Krauts) or the German Nation. This was not the case with those men that I knew that fought the Japanese. Even today, 60 some odd years later they still harbor a strong dislike for them. Just a personal observation.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:51 AM
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17. I too have run into people who still hate the Japanese because of Pearl
Harbor. Fortunately, sane Americans separate the people from their governments, however, there are those who will not. I believe they are cut from the same cloth as those Americans today who blame all Arabs for 9-11. Also, the less those people look like European Americans, the more unreasonable is the hatred. There are some segments of ethnic eastern Europeans who still hate Germans today as well, especially those from Poland and other countries that Germany invaded and caused great suffering to the people.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:29 AM
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18. Agreed
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 06:44 PM
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14. Here's the key part...
..."we are doing the same thing to Mexicans that are crossing our border illegally."

Those Japanese Americans broke no laws but were punished anyway.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 06:52 PM
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15. Some of the Japanese parents entered illegally, although my friends were born
here of immigrant parents making them Americans, for the same reason the Hispanics do to work in the fields and other menial labor to escape poverty. Many of those Japanese were also from Hawaii, which although it wasn't a state then, should have qualified them for some kind of citizenship, but apparently it didn't. This is also happening to American children of Hispanic immigrants. I think incarcerating people because they aren't part of the mainstream preferred ethnicity is just wrong if the only thing they are guilty of is not having the proper papers.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:07 AM
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19. LA was still small townlike back then. My
husband's late mother grew up in LA in the 30's and 40's. When she was a teenager in 1938 she wrote a letter to the coach of the Notre Dame football team in Indiana. Apparently the only return address she gave was her name, Hollywood, CA, which is what the Notre Dame people used to send her a reply. She received the letter and I'm looking at the envelope right now.

All of the pictures of her and her family from that era confirm your memories of well-groomed people who dressed nicely and took pride in their community. They were strictly middle-class, but they owned and wore hats and gloves.

Today her old neighborhood is shabby and in disrepair. Homeless people camp out on the boulevard nearby. It's hard to believe that in the relatively short time span of 60-70 years things have gone downhill so badly.

Of course nearby sit homes of people who have more money than they know what to do with. Those are the ones the politicians pay attention to, the ones they court.

Whether we'll ever again have leadership that cares about the plight of the ordinary person is an interesting question to ponder. Without it, I don't even want to think about the society my teenage daughter will be living in decades from now as the gap between the haves and have nots continues to expand.
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