Have you seen the email going around saying mccain is the ANTI-CHRIST?

[Philosoraptor]

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/08/10885/

Published on Friday, August 8, 2008 by The Nation
McCain the Antichrist?
by Robert Dreyfuss
Biblical scholars in Colorado Springs have uncovered startling evidence that Senator John McCain may be the Antichrist. Their conclusions, while highly controversial, may have a dramatic impact on the 2008 elections, since many Bible-believing Christians have already expressed doubts about McCain’s fealty to Christianity.

The analysis was especially ironic, given that it came out just one day after McCain was accused of subtly hinting that Barack Obama could be the Antichrist. McCain ran a commercial depicting Obama as “The One,” giving rise to charges that he was sending a subliminal messages to anti-Obama Christians.

“What started us looking at this issue is the fact that Senator McCain has declared his intention to maintain US forces in Iraq for a hundred years,” said David Jenkins, a leading Biblical scholar. “That means that McCain wants to control Babylon for at least a century.” According to many scholars of the Book of Revelation, the Antichrist will try to rebuild the ancient city of Babylon in order to use it as a springboard for an international effort at world domination. Ultimately, the Antichrist will marshal forces from Babylon to spark a showdown with Christian and Jewish-led forces in the battle of Armageddon.

“We believe that the End Times is near, based on the pattern of wars, earthquakes. and other strange phenomena we’ve been witnessing since the start of the New Millennium,” said Jenkins. “Given that it may be imminent, the person who controls Babylon must be the Antichrist.” Until 2003, many Christians believed that Saddam Hussein might be the Antichrist, since he started excavations to restore Babylon in the mid 1970s. But Hussein’s death meant that the Antichrist is someone else. Since Obama wants to get out of Iraq, he can’t be the Antichrist either, concluded Jenkins.

Jenkins said his teams suspicions were further heightened when genealogical research showed that McCain’s great-grandfather was actually not John McCain, but John Mihai. Mihai is an ancient Romanian name, and according to Bible-believing Christians, the Antichrist is likely to be a Romanian. “What clinched it for us was that the name Mihai means ‘who is like the Lord,’” said Jenkins. “As far as we’re concerned, that was enough. It means that McCain might easily pretend to be the Redeemer.”

------------This is the real deal folks, you can't make shit like this up.

[glowing]

1. Oh wow.. now this needs to be spread in just a few e-mails.. LOL

[Philosoraptor]

2. There IS an email going around about how MCCAIN IS THE ANTI CHRIST.

[POAS]

12. I wish I would get that email

so I could forward it to the folks that keep sending me anti Obama emails.

[Philosoraptor]

23. Hey kids, start your own nasty email campaign against mccain!

[POAS]

27. Maybe we could start up an ebusiness

selling kits that help you create that perfect email anti-______ campaign.

A 99.95 value which can be yours, but only if you call right now, for the low LOW price of 3 easy payments of 19.95 (plus shipping and handling) delivered straight to your email box.

[Philosoraptor]

29. Be the first on your block! Hours of good clean fun! Send annoying emails to your enemies!

[POAS]

30. Just remember kids:

Keep the threats vague and to a bare minimum, or else do it from a country without an extradition treaty.

[DrDan]

3. I thought it was Hillary. No - wait - Edwards. no - WJC.

Perhaps we have an anti-Christ Tribe at work.

[Cooley Hurd]

7. We're up to our asses in antichrists...

;)

[RNdaSilva]

4. Not enough hair to hide the 666.

[Philosoraptor]

5. This year mccain will be 666 years old!

[RNdaSilva]

10. Methuselah was 969 years old?

Does that make McCain, Biblically speaking, a spring chicken? Nah! He is an old coot.

p.s. McCain might be a beast but he ain't the anti-Christ.

[RNdaSilva]

6. Or, is that why he always wears a cap?

Maybe they were chiseled off...under pretext of skin cancer surgery.

[Ilsa]

39. He had the surgeon remove the 666 with the lesions. LOL nt

[zeemike]

8. He very well cold be, but

What is not said is that according to prophesies there will be many anti-Christs in the later days.
And sense the meaning of Christ is the saviour of mankind, the anti Christ is said to be the destroyer of mankind
According to prophets like Nostradamus there will be three significant anti-Christs and he named two of them, Neapolitan and Hitler and left the last one un-named. And that fits because both Neapolitan and Hitler were responsible for millions of deaths due to there wars of conquest, and the fact that they had modern weapons of mass destruction.
So it is safe to assume from this that the last great anti-Christ will get the world into a war that will kill millions or even billions for the same reason.

And it is also said, (by Jesus) that the last great anti-Christ will deceive many. certainly that is true today with all the kool aid drinkers in the Republican party.
So Mc Lame is a lot more likely to be the one than Obama.

[RNdaSilva]

11. I do believe that Nostradamus' spelling of Hitler was Hister.

Close but...

[zeemike]

20. Well my spelling is not too good ether

But that is not the point. The point is that the word Christ means saviour and that anti Christ is the opposite of that or destroyer, fits with the actions of both Hitler and Napoleon.
And so far for all the evil bush has done it has yet to match them in the destruction they have caused. But it could well lead to one who does exceed them in the death of billions. A nuclear war would certainly achieve it.

[Philosoraptor]

22. Nostradamas' poor spelling has led to many misundertandings.

[RNdaSilva]

24. Misunderstanding? Misinterpretation?

[Philosoraptor]

25. Misunderestimatedness.

[RNdaSilva]

26. Close...

[onecent]

9. All this time I thought it was Bu** - our moron prez. nt

[GaYellowDawg]

13. As a Christian, I will say this:

It's all a bunch of STUPID CRAP. The morons on the Council of Nicea made their biggest screwup by considering this book as canon.

I agree with Thomas Jefferson, who said this about Revelation in his correspondence:

DEAR SIR, -- I have duly received four proof sheets of your explanation of the Apocalypse, with your letters of December 29th and January 8th; in the last of which you request that, so soon as I shall be of opinion that the explanation you have given is correct, I would express it in a letter to you.

From this you must be so good as to excuse me, because I make it an invariable rule to decline ever giving opinions on new publications in any case whatever. No man on earth has less taste or talent for criticism than myself, and least and last of all should I undertake to criticise works on the Apocalypse.

It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it, and I then considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams. I was, therefore, well pleased to see, in your first proof sheet, that it was said to be not the production of St. John, but of Cerinthus, a century after the death of that apostle. Yet the change of the author's name does not lessen the extravagances of the composition; and come they from whomsoever they may, I cannot so far respect them as to consider them as an allegorical narrative of events, past or subsequent. There is not coherence enough in them to countenance any suite of rational ideas.

You will judge, therefore, from this how impossible I think it that either your explanation, or that of any man in "the heavens above, or on the earth beneath," can be a correct one. What has no meaning admits no explanation; and pardon me if I say, with the candor of friendship, that I think your time too valuable, and your understanding of too high an order, to be wasted on these paralogisms.

You will perceive, I hope, also, that I do not consider them as revelations of the Supreme Being, whom I would not so far blaspheme as to impute to Him a pretension of revelation, couched at the same time in terms which, He would know, were never to be understood by those to whom they were addressed. In the candor of these observations, I hope you will see proofs of the confidence, esteem and respect which I truly entertain for you.

[AllentownJake]

15. Totally agree

and the Council didn't put the book in unanimously.

[hootinholler]

28. Damn Tomreally could tell you to go to hell and have you happy to be onthe road. n/t

[AllentownJake]

14. Nero was the anti-christ

Emperor Nero in the first century AD. The book of revelations is a reaction to the persecution of the church in Emperor Nero's reign. Nothing more nothing less. The book barely made it into the Bible and several churches exclude it.

The modern anti-christ was brought back by early protestants to attack the papacy. In the 20th century since Catholics and Protestants have decided to play nice its used to attack political figures people don't like some with good reasons others for ridiculous reasons.

[zeemike]

21. Did you channel the spirit of John to get what he was talking about?

Or are you just being presumptuous.

[AllentownJake]

31. Are you assuming John wrote this

or are you assuming this. Alot of Apocrypha was written in the names of people to give them credibility. Some people believe it was written by somebody channeling John for credibility.

The books of Mark, Luke, and Matthew are believed to be authored by those people because they aren't major players in the new testament. Of course you also have the missing Q theory of an orignal author and those 3 authors adding elements. The book of John is different enough from tone and style to be a book that stands on its own.

Alot of theologians interpret it as Nero and Roman persection. Alot in other ways. Reading 2000 year old texts and what they mean when they are written espicially this particular text isn't easy. I personally believe the Nero theory.

And if John wrote this. Which one? St. John the Apostle, St. John the Evangelist, or St. John of Patmos? John was as common a name than as it is now (two big names in the new testament having it) Some people think they are the same person some people think they are three different people :shrug:

[zeemike]

33. The key words here are "believed to be"

Shakespeare is "believed to be" by some to have been written by a team of writers because they don't think he could have done it.
Does that make it true and does it detract from the story he told and the value of the work?

The "Q" document is just something someone made up because they did not want to believe that any part of the new testament was true, and that people back then never did tell a true story and made things up from previous stories that they had heard told around the fire.
Do I have it right? Or is there some other reason you believe that the 4 witnesses to the life of Jesus could not have transmitted there real life experiences through the written word?

[AllentownJake]

34. I'm not a believer

but have a medicocre understanding of Christian theology and history from when I was. By no means am I theologian however, I personally believe that the authors were aware of each other (it wasn't that big of a community in the early parts of the religion that they would not be unaware of each other) and had a mutual understanding of the events in the history of Jesus of Nazareth of the first 3 gospels. The Mark gospel was the earliest and Luke and Matthew followed to fill in pieces of information that was left out by Mark. John was written by someone with a similar but different understanding of the events than the other 3 gospel writers. My personal beliefs aside, the book of Revelations is the most difficult book to interpret in the Christian bible and some Christians do not believe its cannon. I'm simply pointing out theories. The author of Revelations is not around to ask what he was talking about however I have the belief it was written with the persecution that was occuring at the time as a backdrop.

Paul himself encouraged people not to marry because he felt Jesus was returning in his lifetime and I believe that was a common belief at the time.

Until the 20th century the anti-christ has traditionally almost always been the pope. Its a more recent belief that the anti-christ may be a political figure and is identified as one. Every year we tend to have a new anti-christ whether its Ronald Reagan, Sadam, Bill Clinton, Bin Laden, etc etc.

[zeemike]

35. Well thank you for not just getting mad at me

And telling me how stupid I am for believing anything to do with the bible.
It is great for me to hear a clear explanation of why you believe what you believe.

But let me present another scenario that I think just as credible.
And that is that the disciples Mathew, Mark,Luke, and John were the source for the 4 books of there name and all contributed to the book of Acts.
They did not write them themselves but the story that they often told orally was at some point written down by the scribes, who you must understand, made writing things down their trade. And I am sure that there were scribes among the early Christians.
Mathew probably did it first because he was a tax collector and was used to having things recorded for him.

And they did not fill in information that Mark had left out they just told the story from there own perspective and according to there own experiences...that is not hard for me to believe of someone that was convinced that they had witnessed a major event in history.And according to Jewish law at the time two witnesses telling the same story is considered to be contrived, and so the differences in the 4 books is what made it believable...at least to the people of that time.

But let me also tell you what I think really happened to the religion...And it is what always happens in every religon, it starts corrupting as soon as the leader is gone.
And so it was with Christianity..
Right after the last appearance of Jesus to the deciles they were what we now call communist, in that they held all things in common, and that right there made them a threat not only to jews but to the gentiles as well and had it not been for Paul's conversion they would have been wiped out and never heard of again. So Paul was to save the church by corrupting it to fit with the gentiles way of thinking.

And over the years that corruption has become almost universal and complete, to where we have most religions totally ignoring the teachings of Jesus in favor of power and control.


And as far as Revelations is concerned you cannot understand it unless you understand the prophesies in Daniel, particularly the vision of the 4 beasts that rise out of the earth. And Daniel is much easer to understand because he asks what it means and is told.
And what he is told fits strikingly with todays world.

[AllentownJake]

36. I like the book of Daniel

and the statue with different parts representing different empires. The question is, is America one of the empires are we one of the problems?

[zeemike]

40. I would answer yes to that

But not America itself but the corporate empire that has evolved here to take over the whole world.

The description of the 4th beast is clear to me...Iron teeth and brass claws that rip and tear at the earth, and a harlot riding on it's back which Daniel was told was religion.
It seems clear enough to me.

[FreakinDJ]

16. GREAT - some thing to send back to all the spam mailers

[Jim__]

17. If McCain is the anti-christ, will the fundie Christians vote for him?

After all, it seems like his election would help bring on Armageddon.

[DailyGrind51]

18. I thank you only because I plan to use it as "vaccine" against those

viral "Obama is the Anti-Christ" e-mails. I have one cousin who actually believes this shit!

[dems_rightnow]

19. Is this instead of pedophile junkie?

I never believed that one.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

32. Dammit.

All those years spent in servitude to the Dark Lord. What do I get? Bubkis.

All the sacrifices I made (literally) and the thousands upon thousands of souls I lead astray. All for nothing.

Sonofa.

[Ilsa]

37. "Biblical scholars in Colorado Springs... " Maybe the Air Force Academy? nt

[Cleita]

38. Meanwhile the real Anti-Christ is whooping it up

with the girls beach volley ball team in China. Go figure.

[Hubert Flottz]

43. LOL!

[Philosoraptor]

41. xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Hubert Flottz]

42. I believe!