Mind Your Own Business Folks..

[ddeclue]

Some self-righteous people here are using circular logic to try to make John Edwards personal life their business when it is not.

There logic is circular - a self fulfilling prophecy if you will.

If the underlying behavior is none of your business you have NO right to ask the question in the first place and don't deserve an honest answer - So if he lies to you that is what you deserve for asking a question that is really NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

As Hank Williams Sr. wrote "Mind Your Own Business.. if you mind your own business you'll be busy all the time"

Doug D.
Orlando, FL


If the wife and I are fussin', brother that's our right
'Cause me and that sweet woman's got a license to fight
Why don't you mind your own business
(Mind your own business)
'Cause if you mind your business, then you won't be mindin' mine.

Oh, the woman on our party line's the nosiest thing
She picks up her receiver when she knows it's my ring
Why don't you mind your own business
(Mind your own business)
Well, if you mind your business, then you won't be mindin' mine.

I got a little gal that wears her hair up high,
the boys all whistle when she walks by.
why don't you mind your own buisness
(Mind your own business)
Well, if you mind your own business, you sure won't be minding mine.

If I want to honky tonk around 'til two or three
Now, brother that's my headache, don't you worry 'bout me.
Just mind your own business
(Mind your own business)
If you mind your business, then you won't be mindin' mine.

Mindin' other people's business seems to be high-toned
I got all that I can do just to mind my own
Why don't you mind your own business
(Mind your own business)
If you mind your own business, you'll stay busy all the time

Hank Williams, Sr. 1949

[YDogg]

1. whatever. many of us believed in edwards and what he said he stood for,

and have a right to be damned disappointed.

[DJ13]

5. many of us believed in edwards and what he said he stood for

And what does his affair have to do with his platform to help the needy?

[Xenotime]

32. Exactly. People have the right to find pleasure in ANY company they choose.

[roguevalley]

28. hank williams. SNICKER! Nice reference for this matter. It matters

to me because I loved and believed in him. Since when do we all have to believe and think one way? This is the guy who doesn't believe in gay marriage. Appparently he doesn't believe in hetero marriage either.

[MercutioATC]

2. I don't care about his actions, I care about how they might effect the party.

I'm not judging him as a person, I'm questioning what his lies might do to our chances in November.


(no, I don't think they'll make any great difference, but the man tried to be the nominee with this albatross hanging from his neck)

[ddeclue]

14. They really aren't anybody's business

and should have nothing to do with the party.

They are NOT about his public life they are about his PRIVATE life.

So today we are busy tarring and feathering John Edwards over something that is his own private business not ours.

Yet plenty of ACTUAL Presidents cheated or engaged in inappropriate sexual relationships themselves...

Thomas Jefferson fathered children with his 14 year old slave Sally Hemmings
Grover Cleveland allegedly fathered an illegitimate child.
Warren G. Harding allegedly slept around in the White House and the apocryphal tale is that his wife poisoned him which is why he died.
Franklin Roosevelt cheated through out his career
Dwight Eisenhower apparently had Kaye Summersby as a mistress when he was Commander in Chief of Allied Forces in Europe during World War II.
John Kennedy apparently slept with Judith Campbell Exner and possibly Marilyn Monroe if the rumors are to be believed.
Bill Clinton has apparently slept around with women not his wife, most notably Monica Lewinsky.

7 out of 43 is about 1 in 6 folks so it is hardly out of the ordinary - and this is just what we know about. The press used to have the decency to stay out of people's private lives before the 1980's.

Outside of that there are others with varying degrees of believability to the story that have cheated or engaged in "inappropriate" sexual behavior:

MLK, Jr. - according to J. Edgar Hoover's wiretapping slept around
J. Edgar Hoover himself was apparently gay and a cross dresser.
Senator Gary Hart - Presidential Candidate - cheated with Donna Rice
Jesse Jackson - Presidential Candidate has a mistress w/children by her
Senator John McCain - Presidential Candidate, cheated on first wife left her for current wife.
Henry Hyde - Senator from Illinois, cheated...
Newt Gingrich - Speaker of the House married three times, left his wife on her death bed.
Governor McCreevy of New York - Cheated on wife with a man in a homosexual relationship
Governor Spitzer of New York - Cheated on wife with a high priced hooker.
Senator Craig of Idaho - Apparently tried to pick up a man in a public rest room.

Outside of political figures we also saw the famous television Jim Baker episode where he got caught cheating..

The actual list of "cheaters" is never ending especially when it comes to Washington and Hollywood where beautiful people and star power (or actual power) attracts groupies and relationships are all too easy to obtain for the star (or politician).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17951664/

According to one recent study 22% of married men and 15% of married women have cheated on their spouse at least once.

As we know around half of all marriages end in divorce.

The "sanctity of marriage" is about as realistic as the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, or Santa Claus.

Ultimately, what two people have or don't have between THEMSELVES is THEIR business NOT yours so go and judge yourself and Mind Your Own Business.

Doug D.

[Beregond2]

20. It wouldn't matter if every president there has ever been

had been running bordellos out of the White House basement; this is about Edwards, not them. And his private behavior becomes public business when he knows that it will inevitably come out, and that it will end any hope he ever had of being President.

How DARE he run for President when he knew this business would sink him, and the Democrats, if he got the nomination. There is no excuse.

I can't believe the way you people are making excuses for him. Maybe the wingnuts are right; maybe this party is made-up of moral retards!

[ddeclue]

21. Oh grow up or become a Republican if you want to be self-righteous n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

37. .

:spray: :thumbsup:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

3. You're so right

I'm vastly amused by these intensely disconnected keyboard commandos who honestly - bless their hearts - believe that they have some sort of right to pass judgment on the private activities of public figures, people they've never met, will never meet, will never know.

Who cares what you think about Edwards and what he does or doesn't do in his private life? It's none of anyone's damn business except his and his loved ones.

And don't try that nonsense about "I supported him and I believed in him and he owed me honesty."

He didn't owe you anything besides doing the best job he could have done had he won the nomination and the election. Beyond that, live your own life and get your nose out of those bedsheets that do not belong to you.

[Mandate My Ass]

9. some people drank the kool-aid and didn't even know it

Politicians rape us every day though they are elected and paid to be public servants. Edwards at least felt some responsibility for the poor in this country, moreso than either dem contender in the latest primaries, but because of decisions he made in his personal life (which affect nobody) he is considered dishonest and open to censure and rebuke.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

11. Your screen name

is a bumper sticker on my car. Congratulations!

I agree with you, of course. Edwards has done some wonderful things with his life, done really good things for poor people, and brought corporations to justice. That he slipped up - or some would think - in his personal life now renders him untouchable for the rest of his life.

Two Presidents I am certain never violated their marital vows are George W. Bush and Richard M. Nixon. They were faithful to their wives while they were busy fucking the Constitution, and, in the process, each and every one of us. Two good Republican Presidents, both of whom passed the "I never cheated on my wife" test.

Personally, I'd rather have a John Edwards leading our country, doing it to other women instead of doing it to the Constitution.

[Snotcicles]

42. How self-righteous some are. I'd be willing to bet their indignation

only reveals itself while shielded by anonymity.

[AlCzervik]

4. what, you don't want to participate in the postmortem?

"What if he won the nod?"

"What if he stepped aside earlier?"

"What if i had a nose full of nickles?"

Me neither.

[avaistheone1]

6. You got that right.

[renie408]

8. And yet....here you are. n/t

[AlCzervik]

10. and am i doing an autopsy of what happened---no.

[renie408]

12. No, you are autopsying the autopsies. Why is that better? n/t

[AlCzervik]

13. no being an "I knew it, i never liked him!" That's what's better.

[SammyWinstonJack]

38. Me neither.

[renie408]

7. Let me get this straight...20 posts on John McCain's shoes are OK, but

getting pissed about Edwards having an affair is wrong?

Did you tell the people who talked about McCain's affair to mind their own business?

[ddeclue]

15. Actually yes...

and should have nothing to do with the party.

They are NOT about his public life they are about his PRIVATE life.

So today we are busy tarring and feathering John Edwards over something that is his own private business not ours.

Yet plenty of ACTUAL Presidents cheated or engaged in inappropriate sexual relationships themselves...

Thomas Jefferson fathered children with his 14 year old slave Sally Hemmings
Grover Cleveland allegedly fathered an illegitimate child.
Warren G. Harding allegedly slept around in the White House and the apocryphal tale is that his wife poisoned him which is why he died.
Franklin Roosevelt cheated through out his career
Dwight Eisenhower apparently had Kaye Summersby as a mistress when he was Commander in Chief of Allied Forces in Europe during World War II.
John Kennedy apparently slept with Judith Campbell Exner and possibly Marilyn Monroe if the rumors are to be believed.
Bill Clinton has apparently slept around with women not his wife, most notably Monica Lewinsky.

7 out of 43 is about 1 in 6 folks so it is hardly out of the ordinary - and this is just what we know about. The press used to have the decency to stay out of people's private lives before the 1980's.

Outside of that there are others with varying degrees of believability to the story that have cheated or engaged in "inappropriate" sexual behavior:

MLK, Jr. - according to J. Edgar Hoover's wiretapping slept around
J. Edgar Hoover himself was apparently gay and a cross dresser.
Senator Gary Hart - Presidential Candidate - cheated with Donna Rice
Jesse Jackson - Presidential Candidate has a mistress w/children by her
Senator John McCain - Presidential Candidate, cheated on first wife left her for current wife.
Henry Hyde - Senator from Illinois, cheated...
Newt Gingrich - Speaker of the House married three times, left his wife on her death bed.
Governor McCreevy of New York - Cheated on wife with a man in a homosexual relationship
Governor Spitzer of New York - Cheated on wife with a high priced hooker.
Senator Craig of Idaho - Apparently tried to pick up a man in a public rest room.

Outside of political figures we also saw the famous television Jim Baker episode where he got caught cheating..

The actual list of "cheaters" is never ending especially when it comes to Washington and Hollywood where beautiful people and star power (or actual power) attracts groupies and relationships are all too easy to obtain for the star (or politician).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17951664 /

According to one recent study 22% of married men and 15% of married women have cheated on their spouse at least once.

As we know around half of all marriages end in divorce.

The "sanctity of marriage" is about as realistic as the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, or Santa Claus.

Ultimately, what two people have or don't have between THEMSELVES is THEIR business NOT yours so go and judge yourself and Mind Your Own Business.

Doug D.

[Codeine]

16. You mind YOUR business

while other people discuss what they choose. He put our party, of which we form the grassroots, in danger. If he had won the primaries we would have kissed the Presidency goodbye this morning. That's selfish, stupid, and reprehensible.

And, goddammit, people around here genuinely care for Elizabeth Edwards. She deserved better.

[ddeclue]

18. NO YOU MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS..

Are YOU Elizabeth Edwards?

She long ago forgave him so who the hell are you to second guess HER?

Join the 21st Century already!

[ddeclue]

19. Are YOU Elizabeth Edwards?

Are YOU Elizabeth Edwards?

She long ago forgave him so just who the hell are you to second guess HER?

Join the 21st Century already!

[MorningGlow]

17. Totally agree, Doug

Thanks for posting this. The fickleness, the cursing, the name-calling--this is ridiculous. This is a personal matter between him and Elizabeth. When I found out this was true, I just felt bad for the Edwardses. Unfortunately lots of people have affairs. Yes, it hurts the marriage, sometimes irreparably. But if Elizabeth has been willing to work through this with him--and this happened TWO YEARS AGO, so they must have come to some sort of peace between themselves--then what business is it of ours? The last thing they need is the entire world putting their two cents in where it isn't needed.

[Neshanic]

22. Too bad he did not sing that at his events asking for money and votes.

[Canuckistanian]

23. Amen. Proud to be the 5th.

Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies.

And that applies to EVERYONE.

[ddeclue]

24. Lynnrd Skyrnard

"So, don’t ask me no questions
And I won’t tell you no lies
So, don’t ask me about my business
And I won’t tell you goodbye"

Lynyrd Skynyrd - "Don't Ask Me No Questions"

:)

[Dreamer Tatum]

33. Let's see how many Dems get elected with the motto

"Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies."


What a joke.

[Canuckistanian]

39. Why do these "questions" matter?

I'm completely confused.

Why is everyone pillorying Edwards about this affair even as his WIFE is supporting him?

I must be be too Canadian for this board.

[Political Heretic]

25. He's a public figure, and he lied about it.

If he told the truth about it great. But he lied about it, and it goes to his character. A person can talk about honesty and integrity - which he did - then both be unfaithful and lie about it.

Sorry, that's just the way it is.

We have every right to be disappointed. When I supported John Edwards, it was with the belief in his character as much as his ideas.

[girl gone mad]

26. You're going to have to get over yourself.

Edwards put our party in jeopardy, running for the nomination while having an affair. Lying about it to staffers and the media, even after being caught (at least twice). Hiring his unqualified girlfriend and paying her with campaign funds. In all likelihood, continuing the affair after his wife's terminal diagnosis and only ending it when he found out his mistress was knocked up. Having a campaign staffer lie for him. Having a friend pay off the ex-mistress to keep her quiet.

You might not mind when politicians do this kind of crony bullshit, but I do. So why don't you mind your own business and don't tell the rest of us how to react.

[cottonello]

27. Many of us have cheated in the past

I think we should look into our own flaws before judging others. It's my take.

[seabeyond]

29. he used campaign money to pay woman off. if he made primary and this came out

we lose. that is our business

IF he hadnt run for president while having an affair, it is none of our business

when money is given for commercials and cover cost of campaign and is then used to pay off a girlfriend, that is wrong and everyones concerned

[Apollo11]

30. If I donated to Edwards' campaign, then how he uses that money is my business.

Is that what you are calling "circular logic"?

[earth mom]

31. Exactly. And you know what's funny? I don't remember this much outrage on DU when John Edwards

quit the presidential race. Like which event is more devastating to most of us on a personal level?

Not that Edwards had sex that's for damn sure!

My bullshit o meter is off the charts right now and I think all this whining is nothing more than a bunch of concern trolls out in full force stirring the pot.

[Flying Dream Blues]

34. Not that I agree with your premise, but I'd say circular logic is better than no logic at all. nt

[Nye Bevan]

35. Someone lies to me on multiple occasions

and risks sabotaging the presidential election... and that's not my business? :eyes:

[oldhippie]

36. Can't you get it through your fucking head?

It's not his PERSONAL LIFE that's the problem.

It's his PUBLIC LIFE that's the problem. Lies and arrogance. That effects MY life.

Shhheeeessshhhhh.

[blm]

41. Would it effect your life had Edwards prevailed in Iowa and beyond? He was running for prez with the

certainty that BushInc keeps tabs on every potential Dem nominee, just as they had been doing since at least Jan 21,1989.

[cynatnite]

40. Everyone has a right to pass judgment on someone based on their actions...

we all do it.

Edwards cheated on his cancer-ridden wife. What kind of person does that? Hmm.