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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 06:05 AM
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WJ this morning: Anthrax Case -did the FBI Get it Right?
Three calls NO
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 06:07 AM
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1. Four calls
NO
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 06:22 AM
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2. Any American paying attention knows the FBI-republicon claims are bogus
The story has more holes than a Swiss Cheese.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 06:24 AM
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3. I have only heard one Yes but I did have to run outside for
a moment.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 06:29 AM
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4. Great call re Leahy, Daschle
and the Patriot Act.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 06:32 AM
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5. I Don't Know What's Scarier...
An FBI that is covering up for a murderer(s) or that they're so inept they can't get anything right. The "press conference" yesterday was an insult. I've sat on a Federal jury and if I had been presented with the garbage they tried to pass off yesterday, there wouldn't be an indictment yet alone any guilt. And it looks like most others aren't buying this bullshit either. And where's Mueller on this? This shitstain needs to go.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 06:38 AM
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6. Even Perez
is skeptical. Lies. Lies. Lies. They have nothing. This is way too convenient.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 06:46 AM
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7. The More They Say, The More Inept They Look
If they were hoping to "close the book" on this fiasco, this sure isn't how its done. Too bad Scully couldn't bring in his buddy Brian Ross. The word "circumstantial" is used with almost every facet of this fiasco...there doesn't appear to be a single thing presented yeseterday that appears credible.

:hi:
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 06:51 AM
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8. I have some questions.
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 06:59 AM by Postman
1. Were there security cameras that show Ivins or his vehicle at Ft. Detrick at these late night work sessions?

2. Were is the motive?


on edit: On WJ c-span they're reporting about Ivins' poems that he wrote that suggest he was some sort of Jekyll and Hyde....

He may very well have been, but is it also possible he did it, as a black ops thing, at the behest of the Bush Administration and was under pressure from these thugs to kill himself........it's a stretch but anything is possible under these criminals...

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:01 AM
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9. Stop Making Sense
You can't bury a botched investigation with that kind of thinking.

I've asked the same questions...you'd think there were a tone of access points and cameras in the building. Also, did they match the postmarks on the letters with his work schedule. Then where is the handwriting expert...comparing the notes with the anthrax with Ivins handwriting...you'd think there'd be plenty of that evidence on hand. A good handwriting expert can shoot through almost any attempt to mask one's style.

To say the evidence is circumstantial is an understatement. It's amazing the FBI had the stones to try to palm this crap off.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:26 AM
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19. My God what a pervert.
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 08:27 AM by screembloodymurder
A porn obsessed, sorority stalking, homicidal, sociopath and he writes poetry !!!! makes me shudder. I'll bet he played chess, too.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:12 AM
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10. This WSJ reporter is saying that the 'victims' find the evidence
compelling. Since when did victims become evidence experts? In the history of jury trials a victim has never been called as an expert witness. :dem:
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:32 AM
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20. Welcome to Bush's DOJ.
Media trial by a jury of your worst nightmares.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:24 AM
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11. can you say Lee Harvey Oswald? the ironic thing in this is that
Gerald Posner, of all people, has been on Olbermann a couple of times, making the 'case' that the whole thing against Ivins is a circumstantially based house of cards

can't get much crazier than that

I was sorry to see Posner on the show, if for no reason other than he looks like he's had extensive plastic surgery, designed to make him look like an elf from Ulan Bator
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:25 AM
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12. Hell no
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:26 AM
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13. Evans drops a bombshell at the end of the segment....
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 07:28 AM by Postman
says that Ft Detrick has a history of dumping dangerous materials on the grounds. People were drinking bottled water due to the fear that whatever may have been dumped in the past may have seeped into the ground water.

So what does that say about security measures at Ft Detrick? What does that say about any sort of enforcement mechanisms to ensure scientists comply with established procedures for handling hazerdous materials?

He made it sound as if Ft Detrick was a facility that had very lax safety and security standards where anything could happen. He opened a can of worms that no one knows about.

But the FBI knows it was Ivins.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:31 AM
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14. The More They "Proved"...The More Questions It Raises
So we have 100 people who had access to one of the biggest killers on the planet...and sounds like they passed around the stuff like it was play-dough. Then the FBI attempts to creates dots rather than present facts...which points to major breakdowns in many areas...but then this is par for the course for a regime that is both corrupt and inept. Hell, if you can lie about starting wars, covering up a terrorist attack is "child's play".

The more I hear, the more this sounds more like what I'd expect from the old Soviet Union...but, as you say, the FBI knows it was Ivins...and that's their story and they're sticking to it.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:37 AM
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15. They're not fooling too many people
:hi:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:41 AM
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16. But Where Does It Go From Here?
Sadly, I can see a million tin foil hats sprouting and this "investigation" did nothing but add even more. They asked the Murdoch toady where this goes...and he kinda shrugs his shoulders and says "the job will be done by the "Scientific Community" and the "media". And they'll have access?

Add this to the list an Independent Prosecutor must look into. The sad thing is the FBI doesn't care...it's a wholy-owned subsidiary of the DOJ that is a wholy-owned subsidiary of the boooosh syndicate. Case closed.

:hi:
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:42 AM
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17. think about it....they HAD Moussaoui's COMPUTER! they wouldn't LOOK at it!
they knew the names of two of the 19 WTC bombers, and the address they lived at

they did NOTHING

yet they issued National Security Letters to a bunch of LIBRARIANS and wasted MILLIONS of dollars going after them

how confident of their being able to stave off a real terrorist attack are you? their track record is very very very poor

they're still in the J Edgar Hoover mode of spending a high percentage of the resources running after potential DISSENTERS and political scapegoats like Ivins

this scares the shit out of me
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:21 AM
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18. The case has so many holes they apologized for the leaks.
It's hard to build a case when you know where the killer is, but you're told you can't go there.
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