Questions and loose ends: Bruce Ivins, Jane "theripist" Duley, and the antrax case

[Julius Civitatus]

So many things don't make sense in this case. The more I read about it, the least I understand.
So many unanswered questions:

• How long has this Jean Duley person has known Bruce Ivins?
  
  
• How long was she "treating him", even though she's not a true "therapist", but a drug counselor with a flimsy background?
  
  
• Why was she treating him?
  
  
• If, as she claims, Ivins was such a psychopathic monster with murderous tendencies since the year 2000... why didn't she alert the authorities until July 2008? Most articles claim she had been "treating" Ivins only for a "few months".
  
  
• She claims Ivins made these threats in alleged "group sessions". Are there any witnesses to this? Any witnesses willing to come forward and testify? Oooooooooh! Of course not, silly me. It's an alleged "drug counseling group session", so nobody would reveal their identities! Too embarrassing.
  
  
• How can a therapist misspell her own profession? Seriously!
  
  
• Why did Jane Duley said she lost her job as a "theripist" and had to spend all her money in lawyers?
  
  
• Why did she go into hiding at an "undisclosed location"? (her words)
  
  
• Why did Jane Duley make clinical accusations on Ivins of psychopathy, an homicidal sociopathy... but she's not a psychologist, psychiatrist, just a drug counselor with a dark past and lots of legal troubles?
  
  
• Why did she claim Ivins had a history of murderous threats going back to his college years, yet nobody can find any evidence to this claim? All people that knew him seem to be in absolute disbelief about this accusation. As a matter of fact, all witnesses, coworkers and friends of the Ivins family are in disbelief about these claims.
  
  
• Why, if the FBI claims Ivins was a suspect from the start, did the Defense Department award him with the Decoration for Exceptional Civilian Service (the highest award given to Defense Department civilian employees) in 2003?
  
  
• Why, if he was such a dangerous suspect, was he allowed to keep his high security clearance until last month?
  
  
• If the author of the anthrax letters was such an extremist right-wing nutjob (as suggested by the investigation), why does all evidence point to the contrary? Ivins was a registered Democrat, volunteering for the Red Cross, involved in his community, and open-minded (his letters to the editor in his local newspaper paint a the picture of a religious man, open to accept homosexuality, and defending women as ordain ministers of the church).
  
  
• Sorority obsession: the media are reporting that "several official sources claim" Ivins was obsessed with the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority... back in his college days in Cincinnati, OH. And apparently that's why he drove 200 miles to Princeton, NJ to send anthrax letters to Leahy and Daschle from a mailbox 100 yards from a Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority. And Ivins was a registered Democrat sine 1982!!!
  Can anyone explain this one to me? Does this make any sense? Is this "evidence"? It sounds incredibly flimsy.

More and more questions keep popping up. None of this makes any sense to me. No true motive, circumstantial evidence, hearsay from questionable "theripists" and anonymous sources. This is a mess of colossal proportions.

[Julius Civitatus]

1. More questions: RACE as "white asiatic indian arab"?

When filing the retraining order against Bruce Ivins, Jane "theripist" Duley listed her race as "white caucasian asiatic indian arab". Seriously:



Now, this is a picture of Jane Duley published in her local newspaper:



What the heck?

[TahitiNut]

3. CSC-AD ... the lowest level of certification for alcohol and drug counseling

BSW ... Bachelors in Social Work ... a 4-year degree from a School of Social work, generally 120 credit hours with 45 credit hours in core (Social Work) curricula.

The CSC-AD is generally an Associates Degree (2-year) (waived for the BSW) with an additional 2-years (2,000 hours) of "supervised clinical experience" and passing grade on the CRC/AODA examination.

She is NOT a doctor OR a therapist.

Drug and Alcohol counselors are a cottage industry that's sprung up in the last 20-25 years with the War On (Some) Drugs and the MADD-inspired crackdown on DUI/DWI. First (and even second) offenders in traffic court are regularly required to get their ticket punched with one of these counselors. The counselors get their 'business' listed with the court and the flow of 'customers' begins.

[EFerrari]

5. NYTs says Ivins had a history of alcohol abuse.

How do they know that? No one else has mentioned it and they don't give a source.

eta: That's not quite right. They source it this way:

But the investigators found some personal quirks, according to law enforcement officials and people who knew the scientist well. They found that Dr. Ivins, who had a history of alcohol abuse, had for years maintained a post office box under an assumed name that he used to receive pornographic pictures of blindfolded women.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/washington/05anthrax.html?pagewanted=1&hp

So, are "law enforcement officials" the FBI, the local PD, what? If it were local cops, wouldn't there be a record? He had no criminal record. And "people who knew him well" are who? Duley? His family hasn't said this and neither have friends or neighbors.

[lynnertic]

12. maybe they looked up his grocery-store "loyalty" card

shortly after Safeway started their tracking loyalty program they were sued in a trip-and-fall....


...and won by using the plaintiff's record of alcohol purchases against him.

[EFerrari]

16. Interesting. That would word. But, none of his family or friends

or neighbors or co-workers have said a word about it. That's a little unusual.

[EFerrari]

2. I read that Duley had known Ivins for about six months.

Duley didn't make those statements about her job, her money or location, her boyfriend did. She's had three DUIs in the last few years and she may have had legal expenses from that. It had nothing to do with this case.

All the rest of the cr@p she said about him was probably fed to her by the FBI because when she said them in court, she didn't offer a single detail.

The stuff about the sorority is more than twenty five years old and lame. KKG has no house there, they only seem to have a storage facility there. So, unless Ivins was into moth balls, this is also bs.

[autorank]

4. Why did the press take her magistrates statement as legitimate diagnosis

This is a great series of questions. k*r!!!

Duley went to get a restraining order ("Peace Order") in magistrates court.

Why the heck did the press jump all over that? Did they vet her? Did they find out that she
wasn't even qualified by her degree to practice independently? Maybe that would have been a
clue that it wasn't expert testimony? Didn't they realize that in this court, you don't hear
the other side.

The hearing was for a restraining order, not to serve as a forum for anything else.

Anything she said in court was hearsay.

Bunch of fools, these MSMers, but dangerous.

Smearing the dead.

[Supersedeas]

9. the Media is a important tool for Mukasey to demonize the 'suspect' prior to presenting evidence--

Apparently, the Media is more than willing to serve that complicit role for Mukasey's Dept.

Consider this, when thinking about Mukasey and the agents of his Dept. and the leaks in the case made prior to the investigation being closed.

Rules of Professional Conduct and Responsbility 3.6

(a) A lawyer who is participating or has participated in the investigation or litigation of a matter shall not make an extrajudicial statement that the lawywer knows or reasonably should know will be disseminated by means of public communication and will have a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing an adjudicative proceeding in the matter.

(d) No lawyer associated with a firm or government agency with a lawyer subject to paragraph (a) shall make a statement prohibited by paragraph (a).


Rules of Professional Conduct and Responsibility 3.8

The prosecutor in a criminal case shall:

(d) after reasonably diligent inquiry, make timely disclosure to the defense of all evidence or information required to be disclosed by applicable law, rules of procedure, or court opinions including ALL evidence or information KNOWN TO THE PROSECUTOR that tends to NEGATE the guilt of the accused or mitigates the offense, and to disclose to the defense and to the tribunal ALL unprivileged mitigating information...


WE HAVE YET TO HEAR whether Mukasey's Justice Department disclosed all the evidence and information to Ivins' Counsel that tends to NEGATE the guilt...and we have yet to hear from Mukasey's Justice Department about how COOPERATIVE Ivins was during the investigation...

WHAT has been leaked to the Media, prior to closing the case, is information about obsession with sororities and information from a drug therapist who accuses Ivins of being a 'revenge killer.'

I hope Mukasey's Justice Department can back up these allegations leaked to the COMPLICIT INCURIOUS MEDIA with some substantial AND RELEVANT facts.

[AllieB]

6. This is all too weird...

I hope that Ivins' family has some good lawyers, or is in the position to hire private investigators. It seems that this man's good name is being smeared.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. Why did the Executive Branch dose up on Cipro?

:think:

[Celebration]

8. I'm surmising they found some kinky things in Ivins background

And then worked to exploit him. Some in the FBI probably felt he was guilty because of this, and others jumped on anything just to help CLOSE THIS CASE.

Faced with some personal things seeing the light of day, Ivins chose to end his life. However, there may have been a little "help" there.

It takes a LOT for a good Catholic to commit suicide.

[lynnertic]

13. "takes a lot for a good catholic to commit suicide" - you mean, like months of harassment? n/t

[Celebration]

14. Or years n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. You know what I'm reading in all the posts that deal with the anthrax issue

and the mainstream articles too? Why? Why? Why? Why? What? Who? and How?


The FBI really flubbed this one. No one is convinced.

[lynnertic]

11. oops

.

[Julius Civitatus]

15. TIME Mag: Anthrax scientist Ivins passed two polygraph tests

Seriously:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1829495,00.html

I would take a wild guess and suggest that maybe they needed a scapegoat, after Hatfield got away, and took them to the cleaners.

[Julius Civitatus]

17. Amazing: FBI told Jean Duley to file a restraining order against Ivins!!!

This case keeps getting curiouser and curiouser:

Moreover, this morning's Frederick News Post (doing some of the best reporting in the country on this case) reported that it was FBI agents who told Jean Duley to seek a protective order against Ivins -- the action that then created the record used by most media outlets to depict Ivins as a crazed psychopath.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/05/anthrax