I don't feel welcome here

[LeftCoast]

I've been around here for years and it just never stops. Virtually every foul Republican is referred to as "gay". It happens over and over. It's against the rules and the mods do try, but it never ends. Why?

They say that doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result is the definition of insanity so I don't know why I keep expecting it to change.

I don't know what to do, but I don't like how DU makes me feel.

[Taverner]

1. I never call anyone gay

At least, not as an epithet.

If something is fucked up I simply say fucked up.

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. That is such a gay thing to say

Literally speaking, of course. :P

[Tangerine LaBamba]

3. That's a new one on me

I've never seen any posts that referred to Republicans as gay, unless, of course, they were.

If you are uncomfortable coming to this site, I sure wouldn't blame you for ditching it.

[Bluebear]

57. Happens all the time. nt

[Tangerine LaBamba]

75. Can you link me to any threads

in which this appellation was thrown around inappropriately? As I said, I've never seen it.

I'd appreciate getting a look at it in action.

Thanks.

[Bluebear]

83. ---

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=217441

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=225444

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=278510

The worst "Is Karl Rove gay????" posts are usually locked and not searchable.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

90. Thank you

Those links left me more confused than before. I didn't see anything in any of them where there was a specific issue of Republicans being labeled as homosexual in a derogatory way. I did, however, see a lot of discussion about closet cases where legislation was concerned, most of those opposed to gay marriage, for example, being theoretical closet cases.

Thanks for the trouble you took to get me those links, but they do nothing to support the original post.

Maybe I just don't spend enough time on DU. I'm happy to keep it that way if this is the kind of nonsense that gets people worked up.

Again, thanks.

[Bluebear]

96. Did you read the straight guy who suggested that the OP "butch it up" a little bit?

As you can see, that subthread has been deleted, and for good reason. But that's the fate of a lot of threads and sentiments like that, the evidence is gone, but many of us have the "opportunity" to read it before it's deleted :)

[Ghost in the Machine]

4. Just click the "X" at the top right corner if you don't like how it makes you feel...

It's really just that simple....

[awoke_in_2003]

92. No, alert on them

maybe then they will get banned and stop posting crap.

[Name removed]

110. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Avalux]

5. Hey - don't let it get to you.

This message board is just like every other slice of the population - good and bad. Don't allow the bad to drive you away from DU. Ignore them and stick to the positive posts. :hug:

[EFerrari]

6. People learn over time. In between, there are outbreaks

of stupidity.

I'm sorry, LeftCoast. :(

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. My dear LeftCoast...

I would never do that...

I am so sorry, sweetie...

:hug:

[LeftCoast]

28. Thanks Peggy

:hug:

[Wizard777]

8. Are you upset because your Republican or Gay?

I can see where applying the Republican label would be offensive to gays and other good people everywhere.

[MullenBank]

55. JUST A FUCKING MINUTE!!!!!

It's you're and not your. Can't help myself.

[rhett o rick]

102. Agree, one of my pet peeves. Your instead of you're. nm

[calimary]

107. Welcome to DU!

Yeah, I get somewhat peeved about that, too.

Sorry - sometimes I'm a grammar nazi. My apologies.

:hi:

[Muttocracy]

9. it is offensive

I don't see it very much I think because of my ignore list.

[2KS2KHonda]

10. You can call me gay if you want but don't call me a Republican.

:D

(I am one but not the other) :rofl:

[jberryhill]

91. I'm neither, but....

don't call me a Republican.

[LostinVA]

115. Hmm -- which one could it be?

:eyes:

[Warpy]

11. Yes, and I'm not alone in wincing when they're

referred to as female body parts.

That tells me more about the juvenile nature of the poster, though, than it does about his target.

I try to have a thick skin. I've seen more than one discussion group destroyed by language police.

I do alert on things I find very offensive, maybe once a month. Most of the time I just realize I don't have a divine right to go through life unoffended and soldier on.

[verges]

101. But is it okay

to refer to them as a part of male anatomy? That, I think, is even more common. And I, as a male, am not offended in the least.

[Warpy]

105. I try not to do that. If I reduce someone to a body part

it's one we all share.

However, not being male, I don't tend to wince when a man is referred to as a male body part. I do wince when anyone of either sex is referred to as a female body part.

Perhaps it's all those millennia of patriarchs considering everything to do with women as soiled and obscene.

[HEyHEY]

12. Ya can't fix stupid, bro

I got into a massive argument with some mendicant the other day over the exact issue you're talking about.

Just, know those of us who agree with you are here as well.

[Boojatta]

14. Were you arguing with a beggar?

I'm wondering why you chose the word "mendicant."

[HEyHEY]

20. using it in the second meaning

as displayed here

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mendicant

Sort of like calling him a bum.

But, I guess the two aren't EXACTLY the same

[shadowknows69]

13. There was a whole thread of people making sick jokes about the beheading in Canada

That was sickening, not locked. I don't like what this place has become lately either.

[devilgrrl]

18. Link please. I saw a lot of people chastising the passengers of the bus...

because they didn't take down a lunatic brandishing a hunting knife.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3417118

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3418077

[shadowknows69]

19. it was locked eventually

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3721724&mesg_id=3721724>

[devilgrrl]

15. Virtually every foul Republican is referred to as "gay" - By whom?

Quit painting everyone with one brush stroke please.

:mad:

[LeftCoast]

48. I don't keep a list

Some people on DU would never do this, others do it all the time and some people do it occasionally.

I'm sorry you were offended by the fact that I don't feel welcome here.

[devilgrrl]

106. Yeah well, you're welcome at my house anytime.

Let me know when you're coming and I'll make a pot roast okay?

:hug:

[rucky]

16. If you can see this...

"ignore" is your friend.

[Kip Humphrey]

17. I don't know... I find most Republicans rather dull. /nt

[Indenturedebtor]

21. I think that most of the time it's because of the hypocrisy

There have been so many Puke Anti-Gay crusaders who turn out to be sexually harassing their 18 year old male interns. There's nothing wrong with being gay or liking ice cream. But there is something very wrong with trying to outlaw gay porn and ice cream when you're eating hagendaaz and surfing gay porn sites.

[Raster]

116. There is a gay porn site dedicated to eating ice cream while having gay sex.

www.hagendoozies.com

"is that an ice cream scoop in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?"

[Indenturedebtor]

117. Bwahahahaha that's awesome :D

There's probably a porn site dedicated to every imaginable thing at this point :rofl:

[kestrel91316]

22. Do you always make shit like this up?

I have been here quite a while and can't recall a single instance of a Republican being called gay for the hell of it. Now, if they are gay AND closeted AND a homophobe, I can see that.

You probably wanna run back to FR if you wanna concoct fables out of whole cloth.

[dsc]

24. In the LGBT forum, just yesterday, Bush was called gay

Rove has been called gay, Limbaugh has been called gay, Reed has been called gay, and that is just off the top of my head. Use search, it is your friend. Don't call posters liars.

BTW here is the link where it happened though the posts were removed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=80629&mesg_id=80629

[MsTryska]

59. Well Ralph Reed tweaks my gaydar.

And I've had the dubious pleasure of being around that freak. And my gaydar is sharp like a laser!

[calimary]

108. Maybe they were just hoping to get noticed by Jimmy Kimmel?

Like that kid who put the song on Youtube singing how everybody and everything is gay.

Anyway, LeftCoast, be of good cheer, if you can. You're still loved here by many of us!

:hug:

[roody]

111. Any of those guys having sex with a man would not

surprise me one bit. Does that make them gay? My feeling is that they are not cool enough to be gay, but that's my prejudice.

[Bluebear]

56. Wow. Just wow.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

71. LeftCoast

Has been here for a long time.

Never known her to make shit up.

I have very rarely seen anyone call someone gay here unless it was a truism. For example:Rush Limbaugh was arrested for soliciting a gay man. Maybe he is GAY?

But the comment you made is mean and uncalled for. I mean, :wtf:

I think a nice apology is in order.

[FreeState]

74. If you didn't see it it didn't happen? Wow

nothjing like pulling the blinders over your own eyes. Why would you even post such a comment?

[HEyHEY]

100. It happens all the time, man

[pecwae]

113. A liar accusation

and troll accusation combined plus insensitivity, yet here it still stands.

[Duncan Grant]

118. Leftcoast has been a multi-term moderator and member for 6 years. How 'bout a little respect?

You probably wanna run back to FR if you wanna concoct fables out of whole cloth.

Not only has Leftcoast volunteered for DU he's been donating money for years, too.

If you ask me, it's users like you who have made DU such a miserable place to post. :puke:

[Th1onein]

23. You ARE welcome!

We like you and we like you A LOT, LeftCoast! Please don't let stupid people make you feel bad.

[LeftCoast]

50. That's very nice of you to say

Considering the hostility this post has gotten, it means a lot to me.

[tbyg52]

62. Another non-hostile here.

I haven't seen it myself, but I don't get around much and I'm sure you wouldn't make it up.

You're right, using that word as an epithet is totally unacceptable. Especially as a supposed insult to someone who is already Republican.

[awoke_in_2003]

97. Hang tight

and alert the hell out of these people. Maybe you can get a pizza sent there way :)

[annabanana]

25. I guess I've missed those posts. . . I think that Gay Republicans

are foul when they've spent their entire careers fighting against every single initiative that would make being gay safer, more healthy or happier. . .

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. Is this what's got you so upset?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3729167

[LeftCoast]

29. That was simply one thread in a seemingly endless series

It's more the pattern that has me upset.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. What, exactly is that thread a pattern of?

:shrug:

[LeftCoast]

32. You didn't even notice the comments about the 'gay' republicans did you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. The only one I saw was yours.

:shrug:

[LeftCoast]

46. Try this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3729167&mesg_id=3729183

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

47. Who's Ms. Graham?

[NNN0LHI]

27. How about us talking about the Republican Senator with a diaper fetish?

Does that upset you too?

Don

[LeftCoast]

30. What does that have to do with being gay?

:shrug:

[Bluebear]

89. Diaper fetish equates to gay how?

[LeftCoast]

34. I don't feel welcome here

I've been around here for years and it just never stops. Virtually every foul Republican is referred to as "gay". It happens over and over. It's against the rules and the mods do try, but it never ends. Why?

They say that doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result is the definition of insanity so I don't know why I keep expecting it to change.

I don't know what to do, but I don't like how DU makes me feel.

[Ezlivin]

35. They mean "gay" as in "happy go lucky"

Most corrupt Republicans are having such a good time they don't notice the smoke from the burnt-over country.

They're partying like it's the end of the world...

[Ian David]

36. I find DU to be an exceptionally tolerant place. But then again...

I have over 50 people on my ignore list.

[mike_c]

37. this is such a gay thread....

:hi:

Sorry for pushing your button, but dammit you made it so easy! Seriously, you're not the first person to be offended or hurt by common figures of speech in use here-- for example, we've had extensive threads about language that's disrespectful of women and other groups.

My advice is to remember that unless you're the actual target of someone's disrespect, it helps to have a skin thick enough to protect your own blood pressure from unnecessary stress. Mostly it's not intended to be insulting, even when it inadvertently is.

[d_b]

49. gayer

than richard simmons swinging from a chandelier gay?

:hi:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

38. yeah the evil gay cabal ruined it for the good dems

i know i know its the 'hypocrisy'

[devilgrrl]

39. He's so upset, he had start two identical threads.

eom

[LeftCoast]

52. Thanks for being so 'progessive'

You're clearly an asset to the DU community.

[FreeState]

70. And your so sympathetic you put him down twice n/y

[madrchsod]

40. i`ve never noticed people calling republicans "gay"....

if i did notice i`d think they were pretty fucking clueless and start another ignore list. i guess i was raised right cause that kind of "cute" slang is offensive to me.

"ignore" is your friend

[gateley]

41. Here - you might want to combine threads --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3729700

[Name removed]

42. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LaurenG]

43. Well- I think most of us feel that way sometimes

I know there are days that I feel horrible reading things here. That's when I know it's time to take a break or stick to the "happier" groups and forums for a while.

:hug:

[sam sarrha]

44. I hope this all isnt due to my reply to a comment about "the party of Lincoln"... where i posted

that Lincoln had Syphlis... from a homosexual relationship with his first law partner.. :wow:

http://www.poxhistory.com/work10.htm
snip"...About the year 1836-37 Lincoln moved to Springfield and took up quarters with Speed; they became very intimate...."snip

i just finished reading the book 'POX', most amazing book i have read, from an cultural anthropological view point. if it hadn't been for syphilis we might be living in a StarTreck world now.. ..cheap at amazon.com

it just somehow destroys their Homophobic stand while so many are hypocrites, their founder was gay and they pathologically hate gays so much.. i do tend to poke hypocrites with a sharp stick any chance i get, but i do not intend to project any disrespect to the gay community in general.

this isn't a perfect world.. full of perfect people, make it better at least with your voice, your absence will help no one here.
if you do go, write if you find Utopia

this is the best forum i have run into, with the most tollerant, for the most part, people on a mission to protect freedom and share information and seek truth.. you do know about the magic button that makes anoying people go away..?

[dysfunctional press]

53. wow...deja vu.

or else your weed is better than mine.

[noamnety]

45. I understand what you are talking about.

I've seen several threads in the last couple days alone with tittering over crap like bush and lieberman being gay lovers, and so on.

It is persistent, so much so that it's hard to alert on all of it - but it does have its roots in homophobia.

[Book Lover]

51. I just love the defenders in this thread...

Especially the ones telling LC to man up. If this didn't affect the feelings of a real and living person, I'd laugh myself silly at the irony. LC, you are so right, and it gets past tiresome to sickening, at least for me.

[ismnotwasm]

54. "Gay"

Is a very popular hetero insult. As in "That's so gay".

About as intelligent as "That's hot"

I'm sorry you have to go through this, it's got to be frustrating, and the sad thing is, it's really unnecessary.

I can insult republicans without using lame ass sexuality/gender insults that rely on the legally, physically spiritually and emotionally threatened.

Isn't one of the goals of a progressive community to bring our oppressed brothers and sisters along with positive change, helping rather than hindering, or pretending words don't cause damage?

[Bluebear]

58. Lighten up! Get over it! Quit being so PC! Did I forget anything?

:hug:

[LeftCoast]

65. Got most of them I think

:)

Thanks!

[awoke_in_2003]

99. Know your place?

:sarcasm:

[TuxedoKat]

60. I think people who would never dream of using "gay" in ...

a derogatory fashion need to speak up when they see it happening. I haven't been here that long so I hadn't noticed it so much, but if I do I will speak up from now on. Sorry that this has happened to you.

[tbyg52]

64. Hi, TuxedoKat!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[TuxedoKat]

68. Thank you!

You're the first person to say that. :)

I love this website, except when people are being insulted.

[tbyg52]

72. It's a very nice and educational place, for the most part.

I'm sorry this upsetting ugliness has been happening, and that not everyone on this thread finds it objectionable. That's life, I guess...... ;)

[LeftCoast]

66. Thanks TK

It didn't happen 'to' me though. It's that I read DU and see the comments frequently.

:hi:

[TuxedoKat]

73. Yes, I understood that

it wasn't directed specifically at you. If someone is using the word gay in a derogatory manner in any fashion then it is offensive. I was just realizing from your post that I wouldn't tolerate people doing it in public so I can't not speak up if I see it being done here either.

[Olney Blue]

61. I'm sorry you feel this way. I like you!

:hi:


Maybe things will get better when you bring up the problem and we discuss it.

[LeftCoast]

67. Thanks!

I hope so.

[smoogatz]

63. That's how deeply homophobia is ingrained in our culture, I'm afraid.

Even people who consider themselves gay-friendly progressives can't seem to stop themselves from equating "gay" with "bad." Thank you for raising this issue again--people can't learn if no one will teach them. You're teaching them. Good for you.

[Fly by night]

69. Sorry you were offended. We all have at least three choices when that happens.

1) Confront the evil-DUer (who likely as not is a troll -- we seem to be infected with that vermin these days, on each and every thread.)

2) Ignore them -- permanently. There's nothing more satisfying than posting "I can't hear you!!" to a numb-nuts on your ignore list.

3) Alert the mods. If the numb-nut has made a habit of boorish behavior, the mods may send them to their well-deserved grave.

There's a fourth option. Send the offender a PM and tell them how you feel about their boorish behavior. If they respond in a very negative way to you, forward their response to the mods.

'Nuff said. Unfortunately, this kind of behavior happens everywhere in this society -- another outgrowth of the frat-boy manners modeled by our faux-(p)Resident. My guess is that once we rid ourselves of that scum, our society will begin evolving again.

Sure hope so.

[King Coal]

93. Nobody likes a tattle-tale.

Besides, all of the gays I know on DU have been cured.

:sarcasm:

[Fly by night]

114. Believe me, sending an "alert" on an asshole is the kinder, gentler way to respond.

There have been a few ass-hats here whose faces I wanted to rearrange. There still are. When they break the DU rules, an "alert" is the most humane thing I can do for all of us.

It also saves space for people who value DU and respect its purpose.

Glad I don't know how to use the "sarcasm" thingy. Means I have to say what I mean and mean what I say. Try it. You'll like it.

[Catherine Vincent]

76. I think you guys should pay attention to LeftCoast.

It took me a while to hear what he was saying. I was one of those that referred to Bush as being gay a few times. I've exchanged pms with LeftCoast and he persuaded me...I don't refer to him (Bush) as gay anymore because I know how it is hurtful to LeftCoast and others.

[dsc]

77. I wish I could say the behavior is unusual and rare

but we both know it isn't. To be charitable it is aggrivating.

[Canuckistanian]

78. I agree - it happens far too often here

You can't deny that there ARE self-loathing gay Republicans such as Larry Craig, Gannon/Guckert or Ted Haggard.

But to extend that metaphor to ALL gay-hating Republicans is WRONG.

Some ARE verifiably heterosexual vicious haters of teh gay.

They're out there. And they can't be written off as deep-closeted gays.

[ZombieHorde]

79. I have seen the posts you are referring to. (maybe not the EXACT posts, but you know what I mean)

I don't think that people always know what they are saying.

[Beam Me Up]

80. Well, I for one am glad you're here!

Not sure what to say beyond that. I'm gay too and I notice homophobic quips now and then but I don't see it as the general rule. I hang out in a lot of forums and, all in all, I think DU is far more mature in its awareness of homophobia than most. To me it is largely a 'culture or origin', maturity issue and a self-awareness issue. We know we live in a homophobic culture. No getting around that. The good thing about forums is that all kinds of people can post. That is also the bad thing about them. Unless you've interacted with a particular poster for quite some time (or they tell you), you don't know much about the person beyond the words they've written. Age, gender, race, background -- you just don't know. Adolescents or people with a social maturity level not far beyond it often make a lot of gay slurs or snarky comments completely unaware of what they are doing -- not to mention whatever else might be going on in them regarding their own sexuality.

Anyway, like I said, I don't really know what to say. At least here you can confront a person if you're of a mind to and if that doesn't prove satisfying you can always put them on ignore. In real life you can see who is saying something and make a more informed decision about whether it is worth the effort to confront them. Here, you just never know.

[distantearlywarning]

81. I'm sorry.

And I agree with you. :pals:

[barbtries]

82. i haven't noticed that

and i read here constantly. i'm not even sure i get what you're saying. do you mean as in a derogatory way? i finally got my son to quit using the expression ("that's so gay" as in, that's weak, that's bogus, etc) though he was saying it with no malice toward homosexuals but it had become a common term in his crowd's vernacular. anyhow. it was a consciousness raiser for him. just my two cents left coast. hope you feel better soon and don't go away.

[TrogL]

84. Point to me a specific post of someone doing this

I keep track of this stuff and I haven't noticed any.

[Fumesucker]

85. Once you become sensitized to stupid and ignorant language it is almost impossible to ignore it.

And if you are not sensitized to that particular language it's hard to even notice it.

A phrase which virtually everyone uses that drives me right up the wall is "alcohol and drugs". Alcohol *is* a drug and the phrase is, I think, consciously designed to keep people from realizing that fact.

Thanks to your particular life experiences you are sensitized to language which uses "gay" as an insult, you will notice it when it will fly right over the head of someone who has not lived what you have.

I'm not gay so I'm not particularly sensitized to the pejorative use of "gay" the way you are. I am, however, an old DFH and PDA (poly drug abuser) and the use of the term "what are you smoking" to imply someone said something stupid is offensive to me since it is a slur against those of us who prefer recreational chemicals other than alcohol.

Most people use language without really thinking about the real meaning of what they are saying, those of us who are sensitized to certain idiotic turns of phrase just have to grin and bear it because people aren't going to stop using those phrases.

[Snarkturian Clone]

86. I've noticed it too. Refer to my sig line. NT

[bdf]

87. I do NOT refer to every rethugnican as "gay"

And, y'know, if any Rethugnican admitted to being gay (without attacking other gays or claiming a special exemption because he was "saved", I would support him on that issue.

Really. You may choose not to believe me, but that is how I would act.

Now the Rethugnicans who are gay but who deny it are a different matter. They're fair game because they're liars. not because they're gay.

As for the Rethugnicans who are gay but pass legislation against gays, all I can suggest is this. First we use a cheese grater to remove their skin. Then we roll them in salt. Then we wash the salt off with vinegar. And then we really fucking hurt them.

But we live in an imperfect world. One where my perfectly reasonable suggestions for flaying those Republicans will never happen (but really, that's for the best, because I could never justify treating somebody like that, even somebody as evil as Cheney).

It's an imperfect world we live in. Most people these days realize that the N word is no longer acceptable in polite company. But there are still some people here who, without meaning harm, confuse the issues surrounding those who are gay with those who are pederasts (I will go way out on a limb here and say that paedophilia is something I could hold my nose and tolerate but pederasty is not).

Sorry dude, but none of us are perfect. But over on this side of the aisle we (mostly) try to improve ourselves when somebody points out our errors, and you won't find that on the other side of the aisle.

And no, that wasn't intended as "we're the best you have so accept us warts and all" but as "we know we still have some warts, so tell us where they are so we can get rid of them."

[Hekate]

88. Hit Alert first, then Ignore, then Hide Thread. I'm not kidding. There are jerks everywhere...

... and the mods can't be everywhere at once. They do count on us to let them know things. I used to think hitting Alert was like playground tattling, but then I read that the mods actually appreciate the heads-up -- strangely enough, when I check back on the offender's status I often see a tombstone where their info was.

Best of luck in avoidance of the toxic.

Hekate

[AZBlue]

94. I'm sorry that's happened to you!

I haven't seen it myself, but I'm on and off a lot, so I probably miss much. Anyway, if I ever do see it, I'll be sure to alert!! And, tell the person how rude they are!

:hug:

[Skittles]

95. ? who does that

just kick their ass

[jcla]

98. War Mongers, War Criminals, McShame but I wouldn't use

"GAY" because it is not a pejorative.

[Blecht]

103. It's an Internet message board

Of course there will be jackasses who say things to upset you.

Use the ignore button when you come across those people, and you will feel much better.

There are a lot of people here who won't make you feel unwelcome -- focus on them.

[IndianaJones]

104. homophobia is the tie that binds. across racial and political lines...

bashing gays, whether mentally or physically, is engaged in by most people...why would this board be any different?

[cboy4]

109. You know how there are people who are socially

challenged?

They don't know how to act out in public ... they say things that everyone else in the group wouldn't dare say?

They show up at dinner without bringing something like a bottle of wine, because the host said not to bring anything. When everyone knows you bring something anyway.

I think a lot of the offenders at DU are like this. It's not really malicious as much as their minds just don't get it.

How anyone can think gay people aren't horribly embarrassed to read about Democrats or Republicans getting busted for bathroom sex is beyond me.

And yet they seem to try to justify it with the hypocrisy excuse.

Oh, look at the hypocritical Republicans.

Apparently pointing out something that is out of the hands of all of us as Democrats is more important than the feelings of gay DUers.

It's quite sad.

[elshiva]

112. I find the "Is Condi Rice a lesbian?" thread distasteful

the left's version of "Is Hilary a lesbian?" crap.

[Duncan Grant]

119. Solidarity, man.

We need less rope and more :nuke:...