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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 04:49 PM
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The Massive Smear Against Bruce Ivins: Cui Bono? (Pre-emptive strike on truth?)
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 04:52 PM by BeHereNow
Given the daily barrage of outlandish and damning stories
about Bruce Ivins, a thinking person must ask this question-

Why? Cui Bono?

I don't buy "The FBI needed to close the case."

I rather lean toward the thinking that the constant
flood of bizarre stories from anonymous US officials
and a rather dubious "theripist" (her spelling, not mine) whilst a complete blackout
of the statements by respected colleagues and fellow
scientists ensues, that who ever is behind the
smear campaign is discrediting Ivins for one reason only.

There is a possibility that Ivins may have left something behind,
a certain truth, if you will, that would expose something horrific.
Is it not possible that the real perpetrators are terrified of this
truth being found out or known by another party?

Witness the seizure of the computers from the public library-
AFTER his death. Wouldn't those computers have
been confiscated LONG ago if he were such a viable suspect?

Thus the decision to paint him as a nut job, just in case
he left evidence that may one day surface.

Then they would be able to point to all the stories they
manufactured for public consumption to discredit that truth.

A pre emptive strike on the truth makes plenty of sense to me
at this point.

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this theory.

BHN


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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 04:53 PM
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1. If the anthrax was a false flag operation,

there were people who knew and possibly were involved. As for a therapist who can't spell the word right - what the hell is going on here?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 04:55 PM
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2. I don't believe he knew anything special. But he was in a position
to debunk bs. It's a twofer. The media goes nuts spamming the smear all over the world and now there's one less trained, critical mind to deal with.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:12 PM
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6. Ivins could probably well "debunk" -- but the outrageous attacks on his family . . .
I could see doing great harm --- offerings of money - cars!

They are desperate to end this case --- even to the point of humiliating itself!

On the other hand, Hatfill may not have had any specific knowledge of who actually

pulled this off for Cheney .... but he seemed to have the confidence that comes

from knowing something.

It looks like they were doing about everything you could think of to Ivins ---

short of waterboarding him!

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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 04:55 PM
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3. Timeline
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 04:58 PM by screembloodymurder
Day 1) Suspect commits suicide (no autopsy required).

Day 2) The Department of Justice leadership announces they had not yet approved bringing charges (insufficient evidence).

Day 3) Case closed (anonymous sources).

Sounds about right.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:03 PM
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4. I don't know what Ivins found out, but where do I get the vaccine?
If this case is any indication, we'll need it.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:11 PM
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5. Well, there was the unusual three day period..
between his death and the character attack..

Time enough for the guilty to freak and then come up with an ill-conceived plan.

You may have something there, although the bizarre restraining orders were done in late July.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:16 PM
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7. Everything surrounding Jean Duley looks false and strained ---
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 05:16 PM by defendandprotect
looks like she is truly frightened out of her gourd --- but I think it's
from someone pressuring her to hang Ivins.

I think the Leahy exchange with Mukasey at the hearing triggered a panic ---
they didn't want Congress opening up an investigation into this --

So - poof -- Ivins!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:17 PM
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8. FBI ramped up over the summer. They raided his lab for no reason.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:20 PM
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11. Check out this post from Nightwatchers thread-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3719911&mesg_id=3723105

"RedLetterRev (244 posts) Sun Aug-03-08 06:34 AM
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159. FWIW From another former spook

Half the point of surveillance is target exploitation. The point is not to let the target know they're being watched, so they'll unwittingly give you more information just by doing what they do. Even a dime-novel gumshoe knows that much. Betcherass intelligence and enforcement professionals know and are capable of doing a lot more. Think about it. The 'rithmatick doesn't even require a pencil.

This "overt surveillance" in this case was nothing but a mobster-style intimidation tactic. It wasn't designed to gather intelligence. It was strictly designed to keep intelligence from seeing the light of day. End of story."

I think that last line supports my theory that Ivins may have known something that
someone was worried about.

Seeing them scramble to paint him as a nut case, it appears to me that they are
still worried about that "something" coming to light.

BHN


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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:17 PM
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9. It seems more easily likely
that in a tough election year, the last of the Bush "legacy", the investigation was retooled after Hatfill prevailed to produce a result, now by any means. God knows what is really going on or went on. To find out, I guess prayer and divine revelation is your main option.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 06:40 PM
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12. Or the possibility that Ivins left information with someone, somewhere.
To me that explains the mad rush of dis-info about him,
like I said, so that if it ever comes to the light of day
they will have already formed the public opinion that
he was no more than a lunatic...

I sincerely hope he did leave something behind that will
eventually reveal the the truth about his character and the monsters
who drove him to his death.

BHN
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:18 PM
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10. Ashcroft had his Thomas Butler, Gonzo his Hatfill, Mukasey - Ivins??
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 06:45 PM
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13. Autotpsy? - how'd they know it was tylenol and codeine that killed him?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 06:54 PM
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14. Details, details- Why do you hate America?
All you need to know is that Ivins was obsessed with a sorority
and his "theripist" knew that he had a history of making homicidal threats
Now stop asking logical questions.

BHN
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 06:57 PM
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15. Maybe they pumped his stomach in the ER.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 07:01 PM
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16. Cui bono? Find out who the four sources of ABC News' Brian Ross are.
Once we have their (cough, Rove, cough,) identities, (cough, Libby, cough,) we'll have a pretty good indication who stood to benefit.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 07:08 PM
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17. John Bolton?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 01:27 PM
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19. Addington. n/t
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 01:23 PM
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18. I've been hoping that this is exactly what's going to happen.
He wasn't a dullard and probably realized he'd be suicided no matter what - railroaded to prison, at the very least.

The question is: "Who's got his info and how long before it comes to light (if ever)?"
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