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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:58 PM
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The Federal Government Is Now Issuing Us Good Citizens A Number And Chip
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 01:00 PM by unapatriciated
I recently applied for and received an updated passport due to a name change (got married to lame 54).
I received a notice today from the federal government saying I would receive a passport card by September.
Since I did not knowingly apply for one(I paid a fee of $95 not the $120 that is charged for both) I checked it out. Here is what I found.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppt_card/ppt_card_3926.html

THE U.S. PASSPORT CARD IS NOW IN PRODUCTION!
We began production of the U.S. Passport Card on July 14. To date, we have received and adjudicated well over 350,000 applications for the U.S. Passport Card. Customers who submitted an application for the U.S. Passport Card prior to production, will receive their Passport Card between now and early September.

The passport card facilitates entry and expedites document processing at U.S. land and sea ports-of-entry when arriving from Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean and Bermuda. The card may not be used to travel by air. Otherwise, it carries the rights and privileges of the U.S. passport book and is adjudicated to the exact same standards.

To facilitate the frequent travel of U.S. citizens living in border communities and to meet DHS’s operational needs at land borders, the passport card contains a vicinity-read radio frequency identification (RFID) chip. This chip points to a stored record in secure government databases. There is no personal information written to the RFID chip itself.


http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppt_card/ppt_card_3921.html
What is RFID Technology?

Radio Frequency Identification technology (RFID) has been used successfully along our land borders with Canada and Mexico since 1995 in the Department of Homeland Security’s trusted traveler programs, such as NEXUS, SENTRI and FAST. U.S. border officials are able to expedite legitimate cross-border travel and trade of those trusted travelers who carry membership cards with vicinity read RFID chips that link to government databases. Membership in these programs currently exceeds 400,000.

RFID technology has been commercially available in one form or another since the 1970s. It can be found in car keys, highway toll tags, bank cards and security access cards. The Department of Homeland Security’s Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers, who staff the ports of entry, anticipate that the speed of vicinity RFID will allow CBP officers, in advance of the traveler’s arrival at the inspection booth, to quickly access information on the traveler from secure government databases, and allow for automated terrorist watch list checks without impeding traffic flow. In addition, they foresee that multiple cards can be read at a distance and simultaneously, allowing an entire car of people to be processed at once.

The RFID technology embedded in documents will not include any personally identifying information; only a unique number that can be associated with a record stored in a secure government database will be transmitted.

In their frequently asked questions sections, they did not state if we were required to use it or could we just use our passport since it is an accepted form of ID.
I don't trust that it would not have some sort of tracking capability embedded in the chip.

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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:00 PM
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1. Congrats to you and lame54 on your marriage
:party: :toast:
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:05 PM
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3. Thanks we were married last year but I put off getting a new passport...
until last month. I liked my name and wanted to keep it but lame is a little old fashion and wanted me to use his.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:00 PM
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2. perhaps a few minutes in a microwave might do "Mr. RFID" chip some good....
:evilgrin:
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:05 PM
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4. 5 seconds would probably cause the chip to explode
A few minutes would melt the card a bit, if my styrofoam cup and CD experiments are correct.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:05 PM
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5. yeah...but they might just pull you over and handcuff claiming you "destroyed govt. information."
Damned thing is scary. How do we know what information they have "that isn't private or personal?" Why should we trust them? They've spied on citizens illegally for years.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:07 PM
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8. It is to me since I did not apply nor pay for it.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:53 PM
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11. just enough -- 30 seconds? -- to render the chip unusable
Plead ignorance when they can't "scan" it ("I dunno! You sent it to me! Why isn't it working?," etc.)
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:06 PM
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6. hmmm.
Since I didn't pay the fee for this card is the Government going to bill me?:shrug:
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:06 PM
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7. My new passport, after this trip will meet with some unfriendly magnetic waves
because I work in the kind of environment that could have that .. accident.
But im going to see how it goes first.
I imagine that once I get home, my rfid is going to have an unfortunate accident, and they'll have to suffer with scanning the bar code the old fashioned way lol.
I Have less than zero interest in broadcasting where I am at any one time... which really makes little matter since my passport never comes with me, it's always at home, when im not at the airport - since all my travel is with family so far, even here :)

but.. omfg fascist much!?
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:11 PM
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9. The chip is in the card not the passport...
They haven't mailed out the cards yet. I received a notice in the mail today that I would receive one by September.
I don't see the need for it, not good for air travel only land between Canadian border and Mexican border.
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bperci108 Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:37 PM
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10. Need?
How about a test run for a national ID card, one that contains the same RFID technology.

:tinfoilhat: (<== maybe not so far-fetched...)
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 02:12 PM
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12. I should have clarified "need"....
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 02:17 PM by unapatriciated
I meant I didn't need it but I'm sure the government WANTS and NEEDS it,
I don't think it is a test run, it's the real deal.
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bperci108 Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 09:44 PM
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13. I gotcha....
We're on the same wavelength.

And I mean "test" as a test-bed to work out the bugs and glitches before a nation-wide rollout.

Probably right after the next "terra attack", perhaps?

Gee, a system ready to spy on; Oops...uh.......I mean protect us on such short notice.....hmmmmm, how'd they do that?
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:37 AM
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17. I agree but some on this thread think it's just dandy.
:shrug:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 10:02 PM
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14. My travel store has at least three RFID-protection wallets. Go to magellans.com ...
Not only your passport but your new driver's license and credit cards are embedded with RFID chips.

Magellan's has been on it for awhile, no doubt because of customer requests. Prices for these protective wallets range from $19.95 to $39.95. Nothing will get read until you remove it from the wallet.

I really like Magellan's, especially since I can shop there in person when some things are on sale. Quality is always good. You can go to magellans.com for the online catalog, or call 1-800-962-4943 to have a hard-copy sent to you.

Hekate


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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:17 AM
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15. sorry but I don't want it and should have the right to say no...
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 12:30 AM by unapatriciated
Why are you putting a commercial on my thread? Please self delete the toll free number.

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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:31 AM
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16. Thanks for the info, Hekate - saves those of us interested some time!
Especially nice to hear from a DUer that has dealt w/them & is pleased. I'm gonna check them out.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:57 AM
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18. You are welcome. It's nice to see that someone recognizes a public service announcement...
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 01:00 AM by Hekate
... when they see one. It's not like I'm getting a kickback.

Unapatriciated can always stick her passport in her microwave.

Hekate


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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 01:22 AM
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19. What is a PSA?
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 01:33 AM by unapatriciated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_service_announcement

A public service announcement (PSA) or community service announcement (CSA) is a non-commercial advertisement broadcast on radio or television, ostensibly for the public good. PSAs are intended to modify public attitudes by raising awareness about specific issues.

I guess you were just trying to modify my attitude toward the government use of RFID chips .

Not sure what wallets and travel supplies have to do with that.

Maybe your travel store is government sponsored.


so where do I go for that free government wallet? :evilgrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfFfUxBDMDY
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:13 AM
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20. K & R. nt
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:02 AM
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21. Welcome to the world of full time surveillance.
These wallets that block RFID come with a built-in Faraday cage (just like your car in a lightning storm becomes a Faraday cage) or you can supposedly make your own with just duct tape and tinfoil. Tinfoil!
:tinfoilhat:

When you go into the processing station, you can take it out and allow them to scan you, and the rest of the time leave it in. Now, supposedly they say it doesn't contain any useful info without access to government computers, but in George Bush's America the government is guilty until proven innocent.

I wouldn't destroy it because a) they might just look at you more suspiciously and b) the idea of expediting travelers' arrivals and departures is basically a good one- why be stuck in the processing station any longer than you have to?

As far as numbers, we've had social security numbers identifying us for decades now. It wasn't supposed to be a general identification number, but that's how it got used by everyone from the government to employers to snoops.

Your cell phone, if it's on, can also track your movements down to a few feet. But these Telecom corporations, that cooperated with the Bush administration on spying on its own citizens and just received immunity from prosecution because of it, wouldn't hand over the records of your whereabouts for anything less than a criminal investigation and only with the proper hurdles cleared, would they?
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 11:17 AM
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22. I never had any intention of destroying it...
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 11:24 AM by unapatriciated
I Think it is one step closer to national Id cards. We keep accepting and justifying need at the expense of our rights, In order to save a little time.
I wonder how much this program cost.
Yet we won't invest in alternative energy or health care. That's so very very sad.


Thanks for the info on the wallets, but I already know about them and how they work.
What I object to is the Government adding more ways that might be used to track and spy on us and the only answer is to buy a wallet that blocks them
Sad so very sad..

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