Why Is Joe Klein Angry?

[Hamlette]

My old friend is hopping mad these days, and I have to say it looks good on him. . . . Joe is a patriot incensed by the glibness and callowness of so many Bushies who appear as indifferent to the immense costs of their war as to their own moral responsibility for its failures. I share his frustration and anger. Reading Charles Krauthammer accusing someone else of arrogance is really quite something.

But the latest attack on Joe is about Israel. Was this war in Iraq, in the minds of Kristol, Krauthammer, Kagan, Libby, Pohoretz et al, really, fundamentally about Israel's interests rather than America's?

The salient question, to my mind, is therefore: is there any point in future policy toward the Middle East that we can conceive of America's interests not being identical with Israel's and so set up a conflict with the neocons in which this unhappy squabble could be salient? I can see one imminent - the desire to occupy Iraq for the indefinite future and use it as a military base for regional and global power, as Krauthammer dreams of; and one looming - the prospect of a nuclear Iran. On the former, it's striking how virulently a man like Lieberman wants to keep American troops policing the Muslim Middle East in perpetuity - especially given the brutal experiences of non-Muslim foreigners occupying the West Bank and Iraq. There are non-Israel-centric reasons for doing this, of course, but they are increasingly fragile when it comes to America's national interest. Oil? Sure, but it was never that big a deal to the neocons, even though it looms large for the realists. So why on earth do we want to become a second Israel, occupying Muslim lands for ever? Israel may believe it has little choice on the West Bank. That does not apply to the US in Iraq.

On the Iran question, there can be little doubt that waging a pre-emptive war on the Persian regime is now the principal policy objective of the neocon right. To elect McCain is almost certainly to endorse a new war with Iran within the next four years. Again, this could be justified on the grounds of America's interests and not Israel's. But again, the case is getting a little harder to make. The world and the West can live, after all, with a deterred and contained nuclear Iran. Israel cannot. McCain and Lieberman hold the Podhoretz position on Iran; Obama is a few pragmatic notches away. Those notches - minor to most observers - nonetheless render Obama unacceptable to the Jewish right. Even after his AIPAC speech.

In some ways, that's all you need to know. Israel is an issue that will emerge and emerge again as this potentially metastasizing war evolves in new ways. Given the stakes, this debate is not going away. One day we may thank Joe Klein for having the balls to jump-start it.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/why-is-joe-klei.html#more

If you missed it, the neocons are furious at Joe Klein and vise versa. Klein has really been hitting them hard these last couple of weeks. (Links in the link.)

Interesting analysis. The neocons want permanent occupation of Iraq because its best for Israel but is it best for the U.S.? "Regular" (realist) conservatives say no occupation but will this be the real divide in the GOP?

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1. Also his 7/29/08 piece linking to the A Clean Break document

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/07/when_extremists_attack.html

"I have now been called antisemitic and intellectually unstable and a whole bunch of other silly things by the folks over at the Commentary blog. They want Time Magazine to fire or silence me. This is happening because I said something that is palpably true, but unspoken in polite society: There is a small group of Jewish neoconservatives who unsuccessfully tried to get Benjamin Netanyahu to attack Saddam Hussein in the 1990s, and then successfully helped provide the intellectual rationale for George Bush to do it in 2003. Their motivations involve a confused conflation of what they think are Israel's best interests with those of the United States. They are now leading the charge for war with Iran..."


Embedded link from the above article... "small group of Jewish neoconservatives"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, commonly referred to as the "Clean Break" report, was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then-Prime Minister of Israel..."


A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

"Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy..."

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2. kick n/t

[Richard Steele]

3. I'll see your "kick" and raise a "recommend". nm

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4. Thanks :)) n/t

[librechik]

5. They are angry at Klein because he has been their little pet liberal

always somehow on their side--until now.