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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 11:09 AM
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President's Job Is To Pardon
By David Swanson

In the evolving neocon scheme of unconstitutional US governance, the job of running the country may belong to the office of the Vice President, while the primary duty of the president (other than following orders and acting like he's in charge) may be to pardon the Vice President and all of his henchmen for their crimes.

We have survived (just barely) seven and a half years of life under a government that has eliminated the legislative and judicial branches, installed a certified moron in the oval office, and placed dictatorial power in a new fourth (or first) branch of government located wherever Dick Cheney casts his shadow. The Republican candidate to succeed George W. Bush is a bumbling idiot and senile to boot, clearly incapable of remembering what he had for breakfast, much less running a global empire. (And he lost any right to take pride in his torture victimhood when he began supporting the torture of others.) If he chooses a new Dick Cheney as his running mate, we will know that his role is puppet-in-chief and primary pardoner.

Now, I know what you're thinking: why can't Congress pardon each vice president and gang by legalizing their crimes, as done in the FISA modernization act or the military commissions act? Well, of course, it can - in the cases of crimes it finds out about. But Congress can't be counted on to pardon crimes that are successfully kept secret, which however might be discovered while the criminals remain alive. And laws can always be undone by new laws or court rulings, while presidential pardons cannot be.

Alright, fine, but why couldn't a president just pardon himself? Well, first of all, you don't want the president to be in charge of the national crime syndicate for a number of reasons. First of all, he has to be chosen through something resembling an open election - a process well suited to selecting a Bush or a McCain, but not a Cheney or Lieberman. The Vice Presidential candidate need not be chosen through any primary elections, and can remain a footnote in the general election. Second, the Vice President's office holds greater claim to a privilege of secrecy, by virtue of constituting its own separate and unregulated branch of government. Third, while the Constitution does not explicitly ban self-pardoning, no president has yet attempted it, and any sane Constitutional scholar would denounce it as patently outside the law.

Former consigliere generale Alberto Gonzales claimed that the Constitution only says that the right to habeas corpus cannot be taken away (except in certain circumstances) but does not assert that anyone ever has the right to habeas corpus in the first place. By that logic, the Bill of Rights provides no rights at all, and the president is free to do almost anything imaginable, including - yes - crushing children's testicles or (should it develop any) Congress's.

At the Constitutional Convention, James Madison and George Mason both argued that impeachment would be the response if a president ever pardoned someone for a crime he himself was involved in (as Bush has effectively done for Scooter Libby). The idea of a president pardoning himself for a crime he had committed was so patently abusive that I am certain Madison and Mason would have declined to include an explicit ban of it had anyone suggested the idea.

Of course it is very likely that Bush will attempt a self-pardon, particularly if Obama claims an election victory, but such a solution cannot be counted on. Hence the desirability of the president being a moron with an established family tradition of claiming to be "out of the loop," of allowing the Vice President to run the country through secret task forces, of packing the courts with loyalists, of purchasing property in nations that lack extradition treaties, of rendering impotent and servile the International Criminal Court, and of placing in the White House for the next term a new pardoner in chief whose job can include pardoning the previous president. Remember that John McCain (and Barack Obama too, for that matter) has not committed to refusing to pardon Bush.

In fact, McCain (and Obama too, for that matter) has not committed to ceasing to engage in lots of criminal abuses of the Cheney-Bush regime, or even to eliminating the secrecy of the executive branches . Perhaps more important, though, is the question of what legal and democratic principles, if any, McCain's and Obama's respective running-mates will be willing to commit to.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 11:11 AM
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1. CONSERVATIVES RUN AMOK
LED BY EVANGELICALS RUN AMOK
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 11:37 AM
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2. Send Them To the Hague!



A Presidential pardon won't get them out of the U.N. prison at the Hague:




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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 06:19 PM
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10. The Hague has no jurisdiction over Bush crimes
because USA is not a signatory of the treaty.

At least this is what I have been told and have read.

I would love to be wrong on this....
anyone???????????
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 06:41 PM
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11. Bush and Blair Planned Some of This in the UK
The UK is a signatory of the Rome treaty and has not abrogated it afaik.

Italy is also a signatory, and some of the faux intelligence that was used to justify the war was cooked up there.

Venezuela is a signatory, and Bush tried to overthrow their government in a coup.

There are adequate grounds to send them to the Hague.

Of course I am going to include the usual graphics here because it makes me feel good to look at them:





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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 11:50 AM
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3. Weid idea...
Can Cheney serve as VP under McCain? Legally, I mean.



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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:46 PM
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4. yes as far as i know
but even mccain doesn't seem dumb enough to try that
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 04:13 PM
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7. But it's cheney's option. Not McCain's.
If cheney wants (rather needs) to risk such horrible "optics," he wouldn't hesitate. With an impotent, impeachophobic DC he has little to fear from it. Still, it seems unlikely. Inserting Jeb would be less conspicuous.

The greater point though is that without impeachment bushcheneyism continues unabated. McCain will just be attached to slightly longer puppet strings.

And even an Obama WH will be trussed up like a Thanksgiving turkey by the rest of the beltway class, that remains under cheney(ism) control -- which real world power that chuckles at "audacious hope" and promises of change.

The faux (created) "scandals" of the Clinton years will look tame in comparison. (And the next GOPuppet will coast past the "worse than Carter" Obama in 2012.)

Impeachment is the ONLY option to discredit bushcheneyism (neofascism) sufficiently in the public mind.

If you're not talking impeachment, you're doing virtually nothing.

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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:50 PM
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5. Idea for Denver (and Minneapolis Of Course)
Of course it's sort of pointless to get Obama to promise anything, since his word is now worthless, but the things I'd like to see him promise include:

I will not pardon Cheney, Bush, or anyone who committed crimes at their behest (except the telecoms and everyone pardoned by the military commissions act).

My justice Department will not honor a presidential self-pardon.

My justice Dept will prosecute Bush and Cheney for their crimes.

Plus the usual commitments on peace, health care, trade, etc..., that Obama will never make.

While he'll also never commit to prosecution, were he to make those first two commitments on pardoning, it'd send the right message, benefitting justice, peace, and his campaign.

So, my idea is for everyone to say:
PARDON ME, SENATOR, BUT WILL YOU PROMISE NEVER TO PARDON BUSH AND NEVER TO HONOR A SELF-PARDON?
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 03:51 PM
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6. They can all avoid any prosecution whatsoever like this:
1) Bush Pardons EEEEEveryone including cheney
2) Bush resigns on Jan 18th
3) Cheney becomes pres & pardons Bush on Jan 19th
4) obama (knock on wood) becomes pres on Jan 20th
5) bush cheney and all pardoned criminals flee to paraguy to live in Moonie paradise that night.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 04:20 PM
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8. I think one word prevents Bush from pardoning himself. "Grant"
The word Grant implies a transfer. You can't transfer something from yourself to yourself. You would instead keep your innocence by not committing crimes.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:20 PM
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9. kr
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 10:59 PM
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12. Cheney
My only gripe with your post is your belief that cheney casts a shadow. Other then that `
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:02 AM
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13. Reagan-Bush
Was that former head of the CIA, Bush Sr, pulling the strings of a demented Reagan that made the precedent? And taught Cheney how to arrange Jr's antics with the dum-dum megalomaniac sauce? Or was it simply effective whispering in the ear and saying that this is God speaking?

Crime should be unpardonable where rule of law reigns, if it weren't for the ghosts in the woodwork and media. Who would seem to prefer to remain invisible while still retaining potency.
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