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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 02:02 AM
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Frederick Engels on Afghanistan - More accurate and insightful than anything else you will read.
To be fair, written in 1857, it is just a book review and not original research, and the picture he presents is shaped by his world view as well as the observations of the author he reviews. (The book was about why the British occupation was defeated.) What he describes is very different than what the corporate media would have you believe, but very consistent with my own experiences 120+ years later. Here's the Wiki for more history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan

Bear in mind that later the British put about half of the Pushtun Tribal areas into India (later Pakistan) in the usual attempt to divide and weaken. Many of the areas mentioned in 1857 as part of Afghanistan are now officially part of Pakistan. It should be no surprise that that border means nothing today and is impossible to enforce.

Pay close attention, and try to put yourself there. Read carefully, like you were reading the opening paragraphs of a novel.

Afghanistan, an extensive country of Asia, north-west of India. It lies between Persia and the Indies, and in the other direction between the Hindu Kush and the Indian Ocean. It formerly included the Persian provinces of Khorassan and Kohistan, together with Herat, Beluchistan, Cashmere, and Sinde, and a considerable part of the Punjab. In its present limits there are probably not more than 4,000,000 inhabitants. The surface of Afghanistan is very irregular, – lofty table lands, vast mountains, deep valleys, and ravines. Like all mountainous tropical countries it presents every variety of climate. In the Hindu Kush, the snow lies all the year on the lofty summits, while in the valleys the thermometer ranges up to 130°. The heat is greater in the eastern than in the western parts, but the climate is generally cooler than that of India; and although the alternations of temperature between summer and winter, or day and night, are very great, the country is generally healthy. The principal diseases are fevers, catarrhs, and ophthalmia. Occasionally the small-pox is destructive. The soil is of exuberant fertility. Date palms flourish in the oases of the sandy wastes; the sugar cane and cotton in the warm valleys; and European fruits and vegetables grow luxuriantly on the hill-side terraces up to a level of 6,000 or 7,000 feet. The mountains are clothed with noble forests, which are frequented by bears, wolves, and foxes, while the lion, the leopard, and the tiger, are found in districts congenial to their habits. The animals useful to mankind are not wanting. There is a fine variety of sheep of the Persian or large-tailed breed. The horses are of good size and blood. The camel and ass are used as beasts of burden, and goats, dogs, and cats, are to be found in great numbers. Beside the Hindu Kush, which is a continuation of the Himalayas, there is a mountain chain called the Solyman mountain, on the south-west; and between Afghanistan and Balkh, there is a chain known as the Paropamisan range, very little information concerning which has, however, reached Europe. The rivers are few in number; the Helmund and the Kabul are the most important. These take their rise in the Hindu Kush, the Kabul flowing east and falling into the Indus near Attock; the Helmund flowing west through the district of Seiestan and falling into the lake of Zurrah. The Helmund has the peculiarity of overflowing its banks annually like the Nile, bringing fertility to the soil, which, beyond the limit of the inundation, is sandy desert. The principal cities of Afghanistan are Kabul, the capital, Ghuznee, Peshawer, and Kandahar. Kabul is a fine town, lat. 34° 10' N. long. 60° 43' E., on the river of the same name. The buildings are of wood, neat and commodious, and the town being surrounded with fine gardens, has a very pleasing aspect. It is environed with villages, and is in the midst of a large plain encircled with low hills. The tomb of the emperor Baber is its chief monument. Peshawer is a large city, with a population estimated at 100,000. Ghuznee, a city of ancient renown, once the capital of the great sultan Mahmoud, has fallen from its great estate and is now a poor place. Near it is Mahmoud’s tomb. Kandahar was founded as recently as 1754. It is on the site of an ancient city. It was for a few years the capital; but in 1774 the seat of government was removed to Kabul. It is believed to contain 100,000 inhabitants. Near the city is the tomb of Shah Ahmed, the founder of the city, an asylum so sacred that even the king may not remove a criminal who has taken refuge within its walls.

The geographical position of Afghanistan, and the peculiar character of the people, invest the country with a political importance that can scarcely be over-estimated in the affairs of Central Asia. The government is a monarchy, but the king’s authority over his high-spirited and turbulent subjects, is personal and very uncertain. The kingdom is divided into provinces, each superintended by a representative of the sovereign, who collects the revenue and remits it to the capital.

The Afghans are a brave, hardy, and independent race; they follow pastoral or agricultural occupations only, eschewing trade and commerce, which they contemptuously resign to Hindus, and to other inhabitants of towns. With them, war is an excitement and relief from the monotonous occupation of industrial pursuits.

The Afghans are divided into clans<41>, over which the various chiefs exercise a sort of feudal supremacy. Their indomitable hatred of rule, and their love of individual independence, alone prevents their becoming a powerful nation; but this very irregularity and uncertainty of action makes them dangerous neighbours, liable to be blown about by the wind of caprice, or to be stirred up by political intriguers, who artfully excite their passions. The two principal tribes are the Dooranees and Ghilgies, who are always at feud with each other. The Dooranee is the more powerful; and in virtue of their supremacy their ameer or khan made himself king of Afghanistan. He has a revenue of about £10,000,000. His authority is supreme only in his tribe. The military contingents are chiefly furnished by the Dooranees; the rest of the army is supplied either by the other clans, or by military adventurers who enlist into the service in hopes of pay or plunder. Justice in the towns is administered by cadis, but the Afghans rarely resort to law. Their khans have the right of punishment even to the extent of life or death. Avenging of blood is a family duty; nevertheless, they are said to be a liberal and generous people when unprovoked, and the rights of hospitality are so sacred that a deadly enemy who eats bread and salt, obtained even by stratagem, is sacred from revenge, and may even claim the protection of his host against all other danger. In religion they are Mohammedans, and of the Soonee sect; but they are not bigoted, and alliances between Sheeahs and Soonees<42> are by no means uncommon.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/afghanistan/index.htm


The rest is mostly about various attempts at conquest and the disastrous results. What Engels refers to as Dooranees was a Pushtun tribal organization first led by Ahmad Shah Durrani http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durrani_Empire . The reference to Ghilgies was to another Pushtun group http://www.wiki-mirror.us/wiki/Ghilzai . That's a clarification on the terminology, and a bit obscure, but the main thing is to listen to what was being said about the people, the culture, the sense of right and wrong and justice and honor.

Hear what was being said. First, hear that it was a culturally rich, diverse, intact and viable and even tolerant society. Then listen to what was said about the difference between guests or visitors and invaders or bandits. I was there as a guest, not a thief or killer, so, despite the utter strangeness of that land, I felt safe and even protected. There is a big difference between being being invited in to someones's home and breaking in.

"The Afghans are a brave, hardy, and independent race; they follow pastoral or agricultural occupations only, eschewing trade and commerce, which they contemptuously resign to Hindus, and to other inhabitants of towns. With them, war is an excitement and relief from the monotonous occupation of industrial pursuits."

"Their khans have the right of punishment even to the extent of life or death. Avenging of blood is a family duty; nevertheless, they are said to be a liberal and generous people when unprovoked, and the rights of hospitality are so sacred that a deadly enemy who eats bread and salt, obtained even by stratagem, is sacred from revenge, and may even claim the protection of his host against all other danger."

Anything there that might give a clue about what needs to be done? Of course, if justice and peace were the goals. But the cowards and murderers who want to kill them all will never hear any of that or care.

That one piece by Engels 150 years ago says a lot more than all the garbage being churned out by the American Empire Advocates. AKA the Corporate Media, ever since then.

Lastly, just take a look at Afghanistan through the eyes of a photographer who as been going there for three decades: http://www.lukepowell.com/
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:55 AM
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1. K&R!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 10:06 AM
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2. good insights...
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 10:16 AM
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3. Afghanistan: Not a Good War
Afghanistan: Not a Good War

Conn Hallinan July 30, 2008
Foreign Policy in Focus

SNIP

Iraq was sold as a war to halt weapons of mass destruction; then to overthrow Saddam Hussein, then to build democracy. In the end it was a fabrication built on a falsehood and anchored in a fraud.

But Afghanistan is the “good war,” aimed at “those who attacked us,” in the words of columnist Frank Rich. It is “the war of necessity,” asserts the New York Times, to roll back the “power of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.”

SNIP

Whither the Taliban

In fact, the Taliban appears to be evolving from a creation of the U.S., Saudi Arabian, and Pakistani intelligence agencies during Afghanistan’s war with the Soviet Union, to a polyglot collection of dedicated Islamists to nationalists. Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar told the Agence France Presse early this year, “We’re fighting to free our country. We are not a threat to the world.”

Those are words that should give Obama, The New York Times, and NATO pause.

The initial invasion in 2001 was easy because the Taliban had alienated itself from the vast majority of Afghans. But the weight of occupation, and the rising number of civilian deaths, is shifting the resistance toward a war of national liberation.

No foreign power has ever won that battle in Afghanistan.

War Gone Bad

There is no mystery as to why things have gone increasingly badly for the United States and its allies.

As the United States steps up its air war, civilian casualties have climbed steadily over the past two years. Nearly 700 were killed in the first three months of 2008, a major increase over last year. In a recent incident, 47 members of a wedding party were killed in Helmand Province. In a society where clan, tribe, and blood feuds are a part of daily life, that single act sowed a generation of enmity.

Anatol Lieven, a professor of war at King’s College London, says that a major impetus behind the growing resistance is anger over the death of family members and neighbors.

Lieven says it is as if Afghanistan is “becoming a sort of surreal hunting estate, in which the U.S. and NATO breed the very terrorists they then track down.”

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5423

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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:29 AM
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6. Thanks for that. Important observations in that analysis.
Let me just highlight the two key facts you quoted:

"The initial invasion in 2001 was easy because the Taliban had alienated itself from the vast majority of Afghans. But the weight of occupation, and the rising number of civilian deaths, is shifting the resistance toward a war of national liberation."

"Lieven says it is as if Afghanistan is "becoming a sort of surreal hunting estate, in which the U.S. and NATO breed the very terrorists they then track down.”"

And one from the Engels article: "Avenging of blood is a family duty." I had a long conversation with a young English educated (orphaned by bandits, long story) in which he patiently tried to help me to understand this as a duty above all others.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 10:21 AM
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4. "The graveyard of empires" --someone called Afghanistan that. nt
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 08:46 PM
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5. A kick, in case others might find it as interesting as I did (nt)
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