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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:12 PM
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Dylan a False 'Prophet,' Says Pope Benedict
Current Pope Did Not Want John Paul to See Singer in 1997
By PHILIP PULLELLA, Reuters

VATICAN CITY (March 8) - Pope Benedict was opposed to Bob Dylan appearing at a youth event with the late Pope John Paul in 1997 because he considered the pop star the wrong kind of "prophet," Benedict writes in a new book issued on Thursday.

<snip>

In his new book, Pope Benedict does not explain why he does not like Bob Dylan or why he considers him a false "prophet."

<snip>

Dylan, born Robert Zimmerman into a middle-class Jewish family in Minnesota, has been at times agnostic, Jewish and a born-again Christian during his musical career.

<snip>

Benedict's new book, called "John Paul II, My Beloved Predecessor," is mostly a reflection on John Paul's personality and his religious writings.


http://news.aol.com/entertainment/music/articles/_a/dylan-a-false-prophet-says-pope-benedict/20070308093709990001

A strange little article, and another reason for me not to care for the present pope.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:13 PM
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1. "Something's happening here, and you don't know what it is...
do you, Mr. Pope?"
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:14 PM
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2. Pope L. Ron Benedict is fascist sympathizer, who's he to judge?
Edited on Thu Mar-08-07 06:19 PM by devilgrrl
eom
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:42 PM
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32. Ditto n/t
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:16 PM
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3. most actual prophets are considered the "wrong kind"
by the corrupt, withered, and powerful...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:16 PM
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4. Pope Ratso is writing a book of his homoerotic man-crush musings about Pope John Pedophile? n/t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:16 PM
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5. I guess the Popester won't be buying the new Dylan CD
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:16 PM
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6. Herr Ratzinger, continues the German & Catholic Tradition of bashing Jews.
Edited on Thu Mar-08-07 06:24 PM by David Zephyr
Herr Ratzinger, a German Catholic, calls Bob Dylan, a Jewish American artist, a false "prophet" insinuating that Dylan is evil and of the devil. Of course, the Catholics falsely taught for nearly 2,000 years that the Jews, not Romans, killed Jesus resulting in untold persecution, murder and terror to Jews all over the world.

And the Germans exterminated millions of Jews.

Consdering that, one would think that a German and a Catholic would think twice before labeling a beloved Jewish artist like Bob Dylan with a hateful, religious slur.

Herr Ratzinger continues to depopulate the Catholic Church.

Herr Ratzinger should be more worried about trying to explain the discovery of Jesus' tomb next to that of his wife, Mary Magdalene, and their child Judah...and why, obviously, Jesus' body did not ascend up into the heavens (clouds or pockets of moisture in the immediate atmosphere).
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:18 PM
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9. Hey, I thought they had a daughter!
;-)
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:17 PM
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7. the thief that cries 'the hour is getting late'
The album's most overt Biblical reference comes in "All Along the Watchtower", inspired by a section in Isaiah dealing with the fall of Babylon. As Heylin writes, "the thief that cries 'the hour is getting late' is surely the thief in the night foretold in Revelation: Jesus Christ come again. It is He who says, in St. John the Divine's tract: 'I will come on thee as a thief, and Thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee' ... say of John Wesley Harding that he had been 'dealing with the devil in a fretful way'."

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:18 PM
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8. since when are real prophets welcomed warmly by the pharisees?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:18 PM
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10. A german not liking a jewish poet because he was too influencial
Never saw that in history.
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:19 PM
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11. Even the pope must sometimes stand naked
Edited on Thu Mar-08-07 06:32 PM by Sapere aude
Bob Dylan is more of a prophet than this joke of a holy man will ever be!

http://www.bobdylan.com/moderntimes/songs/memphis.html



Now the preacher looked so baffled
When I asked him why he dressed
With twenty pounds of headlines
Stapled to his chest.
But he cursed me when I proved it to him,
Then I whispered, "Not even you can hide.
You see, you're just like me,
I hope you're satisfied."
Oh, Mama, can this really be the end,
To be stuck inside of Mobile
With the Memphis blues again.






BOB DYLAN - All Along The Watchtower

"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, ploughmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."
"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:19 PM
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12. Speaking of False Prophets....
tell us what you think of the unholy trinity: Robertson, Falwell, and Dobson.

Pope Benedict...making the Catholic Church more irrelevant every day.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:22 PM
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13. I bet he saw Hitler as a "real" Prophet!!!
Baarf!
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:24 PM
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16. Well the Pope was a Nazi soldier during WW2
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:26 PM
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20. Yes, he was.
Edited on Thu Mar-08-07 06:33 PM by David Zephyr
Here's Herr Ratzinger in his Nazi uniform as a youth. Can't you hear "Tomorrow Belongs to Me"?

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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:31 PM
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29. The Catholics will say that's so unfair
He was just a boy and EVERYONE was doing it. Or forced to do it. Well, we will never known exactly, all history is some lies. BUT I would like my leaders that speak to GOD to be on you know, the other side of the most important conflict of our times. You know, a leader that takes courage.

But it does give new zing to the old joke, "Is the Pope a Nazi?"
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cureautismnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:22 PM
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14. "I wish that for just one time"
You could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment
I could be you.

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To see you."

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:23 PM
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15. Fuck a buncha popes.
Bah.
:puke:
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:27 PM
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21. Okay,
close to what I was thinking. B-)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:24 PM
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17. "Dylan Distraction from UFO Hiding Behind Comet" Says Pope.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:25 PM
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18. Tastes differ. I think Bob's fans know what to expect and love him to
death for an absolutely tremendous contribution.

Bob takes a willing listener back to when

"It was in another lifetime -- one of toil and blood
When darkness was a virtue and the streets were filled with mud
I came in from the wilderness -- a creature void of form
'Come in,' she said, 'I'll give ya shelter from the storm.'"

I'd follow the sound of that tamborine anyplace.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:25 PM
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19. Piffle on the Pope
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:28 PM
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22. Hey, Ratboy...
don't you think it's time for your boot-heels to be wanderin'?
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:32 PM
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24. Wonder if it was these lyrics that pissed him off...
"John the Baptist said, while torturing a thief,
Looked up at his hero, the commander in chief,
and said "Tell me great hero, but please make it brief,
is there a hole for me to get sick in?" :puke:
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:31 PM
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23. I'm not a fan of this Pope, but then I wasn't a huge fan of the last Pope, either. I miss John XXIII
Now, he was a Pope you had to love.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:42 PM
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25. Someone's got it in for me, they're planting stories in the press
Someone's got it in for me, they're planting stories in the press
Whoever it is I wish they'd cut it out but when they will I can only guess.
They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy,
She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me.
I can't help it if I'm lucky.

People see me all the time and they just can't remember how to act
Their minds are filled with big ideas, images and distorted facts.
Even you, yesterday you had to ask me where it was at,
I couldn't believe after all these years, you didn't know me better than that
Sweet lady.

Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth,
Blowing down the backroads headin' south.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

I ran into the fortune-teller, who said beware of lightning that might strike
I haven't known peace and quiet for so long I can't remember what it's like.
There's a lone soldier on the cross, smoke pourin' out of a boxcar door,
You didn't know it, you didn't think it could be done, in the final end he won the wars
After losin' every battle.

I woke up on the roadside, daydreamin' 'bout the way things sometimes are
Visions of your chestnut mare shoot through my head and are makin' me see stars.
You hurt the ones that I love best and cover up the truth with lies.
One day you'll be in the ditch, flies buzzin' around your eyes,
Blood on your saddle.

Idiot wind, blowing through the flowers on your tomb,
Blowing through the curtains in your room.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

It was gravity which pulled us down and destiny which broke us apart
You tamed the lion in my cage but it just wasn't enough to change my heart.
Now everything's a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped,
What's good is bad, what's bad is good, you'll find out when you reach the top
You're on the bottom.

I noticed at the ceremony, your corrupt ways had finally made you blind
I can't remember your face anymore, your mouth has changed, your eyes
don't look into mine.
The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building
burned.
I waited for you on the running boards, near the cypress trees, while the springtime
turned Slowly into autumn.

Idiot wind, blowing like a circle around my skull,
From the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

I can't feel you anymore, I can't even touch the books you've read
Every time I crawl past your door, I been wishin' I was somebody else instead.
Down the highway, down the tracks, down the road to ecstasy,
I followed you beneath the stars, hounded by your memory
And all your ragin' glory.

I been double-crossed now for the very last time and now I'm finally free,
I kissed goodbye the howling beast on the borderline which separated you from me.
You'll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I rise above,
And I'll never know the same about you, your holiness or your kind of love,
And it makes me feel so sorry.

Idiot wind, blowing through the buttons of our coats,
Blowing through the letters that we wrote.
Idiot wind, blowing through the dust upon our shelves,
We're idiots, babe.
It's a wonder we can even feed ourselves.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:47 PM
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26. Hasn't this idiot pissed off enough people?
Mr. kt and I haven't attended a mass since this homophobic bigot was named pope. After sticking his nose into the '04 eelction, I have no need for him.
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Bronyraurus Donating Member (871 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:10 PM
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27. Who ever said that Dylan was a prophet?!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:32 PM
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30. That was my first thought.
What is involved with becoming a prophet? Don'tcha gotta, ya know, maybe take on the roll or something?

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:18 PM
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28. I knew there was a reason I didn't like you, Ratzy.
Actually, this just makes one MORE reason! Good thing I'm not Catholic and don't have to pretend I give a damn about your opinion of a TRUE poet (and prophet).
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:35 PM
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31. Ratzy needs to STFU
If he did more often, the world would be a much better place.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:51 PM
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33. The pontiff needs a pontoon
in his mouth.

Who said Bobby Z. was a prophet? He's a fantastic lyricist and folk musician, who comments on the way things are now. I don't see him prophesizing anything.

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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:32 PM
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34. He's more of a prophet than any pope


If there was a Jesus, he would have Dylan on his iPod :)
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 11:09 PM
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35. Strange indeed
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