John McCain Exposed...

[FreakinDJ]

You got to see this

http://freedemocracy.blogspot.com/2008/07/john-mccain-exposed.html

[sinkingfeeling]

1. Maybe we should resurrect his old nickname, "Songbird".

[FreakinDJ]

2. McCain - 'Sang Like a Canary' and was never tortured

Within the first four days of his capture, while in his initial interrogation (26-30 October 1967) at the Hoa Lo prison in Hanoi, and while recovering from his shootdown wounds in the North Vietnamese military hospital (31 October 1967 through mid-December 1967), John McCain provided military information far beyond that which the Code of Conduct - and that which other POWs, while undergoing extreme torture - refused to divulge to the enemy. Colonel Ted Guy, McCain's Senior Ranking Officer (SRO) while they were both imprisoned at the Plantation prison complex in Hanoi, gathered information from various sources after the POWs were released in March 1973.

This information comes from U.S. intercepts of North Vietnamese broadcasts to American servicemen in South Vietnam around 31 October 1967, as well as from dispatches by North Vietnamese and Cuban correspondents -- using material from a Nhan Dan (the central organ, the voice of the Communist Party of Vietnam, then and now) correspondent who interviewed John McCain. This material was published on 9 November 1967. The latter were backed up by the intercepts of these messages by the Message Center of the U.S. Department of Defense National Military Command Center, dated 11 November 1967.

A separate interview of McCain by a Soviet Union correspondent was published by Pravda in Moscow on 8 December 1967. And finally, McCain was interviewed by a French correspondent who published a series of interviews announced on 25 December 1967 and began 27 December 1967. This interview was intercepted by the Message Center of the U.S. National Command Center and disseminated via message on 1 January 1968.

Each of these official records of John McCain's interviews with foreign correspondents, while held captive in Hanoi is reproduced at the hyperlink above. Observe that each one of these interviews contains military information -- far, far beyond the limits required by the Code of Conduct. Indeed this information is far beyond what nearly all of the POWs were severely tortured to obtain -- the insignificant 'gray area' information such as nebulous 'air pirate' signed statements. Only those few who were turncoats and anti-war sympathizers among our POWs gave up more information to the enemy than did John McCain.

Indeed, John McCain made good on his promise to his interrogator, 'the Bug,' to provide U.S. military information in return for medical attention to his shootdown wounds. See the essay, 'John McCain as a POW' for the context of this promise. That essay also contains the contents of McCain's formal confession, under duress later, as an 'air pirate' as well as a completely unforced interview with a Cuban psychologist during 1970 when the torture had essentially ended for most of the POWs in the North Vietnamese propaganda battle with the U.S. The latter interview gives a deep insight into the character of John McCain.

http://www.newtotalitarians.com/

[AndyA]

3. I know someone who served in Vietnam at the same time as John McCain.

He was also shot down.

When asked about McCain, all he'll say is, "I was smart enough to not get caught."

That pretty much says it all as far as I'm concerned.

[FreakinDJ]

4. Great - but McCain was never tortured and gave up secrits anyway

a French television reporter, on 25 through 27 December about his interview with McCain. In this interview he (McCain) states, 'They immediately took me to the hospital, in a condition two inches away from death. A doctor operated on my thigh, others at the same time dealt with my arms.' So much for the torture. Additionally, my knowledge and observance of McCain while the SRO at the Plantation clearly show me and others that he was never touched. Why then, all the talking to Foreign Press, and everyone else that wanted to talk to him? I and another senior, who I replaced as SRO in the Plantation, because he was out of communication, feel the same. JOHN McCAIN WAS NEVER TOUCHED THE ENTIRE TIME HE WAS IN NORTH VIETNAM, and I for one have and will continue to state so publicly."

http://www.newtotalitarians.com/

[originalpckelly]

5. Pretty despicable.

:puke:

Yet again we see why this nation is so f-ed up, we're so willing to destroy each other over political bs.

[originalpckelly]

6. This is some of the same slime that W. used against McCain in their primary...

you should be truly ashamed for posting it.

[FreakinDJ]

7. What makes you question the authinticity

They have a very good point - Why did McCain shut down access to the information the government is holding concerning POWs - What did McCain gain by doing that

[DaveT]

8. That is indeed a very good question --

Beyond that, this is a pretty slimy piece of work. High on innuendo and low on fact, there are very few original sources in the clip. But there are some really heavy hearsay slams, for whatever they are worth -- and Bob Dornan is a man of very questionable sanity.

The POW/MIA movement was shamelessly manipulated by wingnut politicians for decades, and one plausible explanation for why Kerry and McCain worked to stop their endeavors in Congress was because they believed the whole business was a bunch of bullshit.

On the other hand, looking at the current farce of Nancy Pelosi explaining why there will be no impeachment, it is pretty easy to assume the worst about politicians' motivations when it comes to investigating misdeeds committed by the high and mighty.

In short, McCain may be guilty of what this clip claims, but the clip does not make a particularly persuasive case against him.